Sorry mate Ive got to disagree with that.Decoy Doctorpus said:
The UK is far from perfect, but I love living here, I love the fact that Ive got mates from all sorts of nations, immigration rocks, I love my little slice of the Kent country side, the rolling hills, fields and forests, I love most of the people, with our strange ways, odd sense of humor, and our silly ideas. Were eccentric,oddly moral, mainly secular, have a great sense of humor, and most of us are good people.
Unfortunately were also good at creating some utter bastards. Have a serious drink problem, and our society hasn't adapted well over the last 30 years. I blame Maggie Thatcher.
After my initial post Ive been giving this some thought.
Basically a series of social changes and government policies have created an under class in British society. Some people come from a home with no Dad, no one works, the majority of people in the house have alcohol/drug problems, theres abuse, a lack of education. Were on the third or fourth generation that have lived like this now. The benefits system has been to lax, its a safety net, that has become a way of life.
Come to think of it, Id say all First world society has this problem, for some reasons that are the same and some different. America and the UK being the country's that Id say were prime examples.
You raise animals you get animals. I wonder if these people are conscious, I'm not talking about morals, I mean do these people have the internal monologue in there head? From what I remember on my reading through various books on psychology/sociology (a hobby of mine, I'm sure as hell not an expert), several thousand of years ago humans didn't have a fully formed internal monologue, even now some people don't have it. The shift from polytheism to monotheism is hypothesized to be due to the shift in human thinking from the many voices of the sub conscious, to the single. Any way the point is, due to genetic predisposition, and then followed by social reinforcing, we create people who don't really think like the rest of us. Should be surprised when that these people are so capable of violence? That they hate everything that doesn't conform with there tribal nature? No, not really.
Humanity is a violent being, some forms of confrontation are unavoidable. Most of us are able to control these violent urges, we wont fight until you cross a moral boundary or personal belief, and the emphatic response with a fellow human being helps prevent you in all but the most serious situations or emotional distress. For example if it had happened to me, I would probably kill them, considering my own capacity for violence. I hear the beast in me that tells me to smash, kill and destroy, to rape my enemy's women and eat there children to ensure my own dominance, I hear the human that cries for the suffering of my fellow man, that makes me feel pain at the sight of a starving child, give money to the homeless, and over all I have the logic of my internal monologue trying to get a balance between the two. (although sometimes i suspect its just my subconscious performing an celebrate trick)
These people may not have this, and should be pitied for this, but there may be no real hope of making them decent members of society, left to there own means they would happily carry on as they are. On a non personal level and from an objective view, we should change society to prevent this happening. As for the people who carried out the crime? Life imprisonment doing hard labor. I would say the death penalty, but I don't like the idea of wrongful executions.
Sorry for the ridiculously long rant, pseudo psychology, and strange opinions, but haveing had the shit kicked out of me by chavs, and knowing a few goth's, this topic got me thinking.
Edit. Maybe animals was a bit harsh, not everyone ends up like that I do have some chav mates that are great people if you ignore the fashion, being poor dosn't condemn you to be like that, rich people and the middle class can be complete fucks to.
