MW2 Glitch= Temporary ban
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Anyone complaining about Microsoft's decision while making some very obvious typos needs to sit down. I don't personally support Microsoft, but on behalf of all programmers everywhere, it is your fault that our job is so difficult. Anyone who hasn't written a lick of code doesn't realize how hard it is to debug code, especially something as complicated as modern-day video games. One single syntax error could cause a program to crash and even taking that into account, the less obvious glitches that occur during specific instances of gameplay are impossible to notice before shipping date.
If programmers (or "the devs") made half the mistakes you guys are making right now, then all of these games wouldn't even run, much less run completely bug-free. Take your bans like a man and be grateful that most games today are structurally sound in spite of their immense complexity.
If programmers (or "the devs") made half the mistakes you guys are making right now, then all of these games wouldn't even run, much less run completely bug-free. Take your bans like a man and be grateful that most games today are structurally sound in spite of their immense complexity.
One more thing, if you cannot understand Microsoft's rationale for issuing out bans, then you really need to grow up. Games are meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not just the few people out there who have learned about specific, game-breaking glitches. If you have been told not to exploit a certain glitch and continue to do so anyway out of some misplaced need to feel superior to others in a video game, well you only have yourself to blame. Cause and effect: you are reprehensible for your own misdeeds. Suck it.
All of you who are complaining about it being so horrible for suspending people's accounts for glitching are stupid. Just don't do it. If it is unfair, then you are just pissing everyone else off and making less fun. This is the real reason they are suspending people. Suck it up, stop pouting like damn 3-year old, and move on you cry babies.
How is this MSs fault? Its not like they developed the game.Supreme Unleaded said:
They're just trying to make it fair now. In fact, buy doing this they're spending money for something that isn't their own fault.
Acually a temporary ban doesnt cost any money, either that or its a miniscule amount since all there money comes from subscriptions. But to send out a patch does acually cost money, i can't remeber the specifics of it but i know it does.pimppeter2 said:
Anyway, can we agree to disagree if you feel like arguing my points. I'm just really not in the mood for a argument. Even if i started it.
While I do not support the use of unbalanced game mechanics in order to win, this sort of ban is completely inexcusable because of the fact that calling something an "exploit" is a judgement call.
Before moving on, I ask you all to think of answers to each of the following ingame situations.
1. In a multiplayer game with physics, C4 is meant to be a stationary, very powerful trap explosive. However, players find that by attaching C4 to physics objects, then throwing them at people, they have an even more effective grenade. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
2. In a fighting game, Pyong-Kang's Lift Punch ability can be cancelled just after the first hit, which stuns the opponent for about half a second. This is enough time to press the button combo for another Lift Punch. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
3. In a zombie survival game, players find that due to lack of player clipping in the game, all 4 of you can sit in a corner "on top of" each other, and just shove zombies away when they get close to you. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
4. In a fast-paced low-realism multiplayer shooter, players find that jumping the instant they hit the ground means they don't lose as much forward momentum from ground friction, and jumping repeatedly can bring the player to very high speeds. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
Here's the facts. If there is ANY disagreement on any of the above 4 scenarios, then we have a serious problem by deeming something an "exploit". Some people consider unintended results of something in a game beneficial, and in situations that aren't COMPLETELY unbalanced, they can even be ingrained into the culture, as in the soldier's rocket jump from TF2.
I personally think of the JAVELIN exploit as unbalanced, and it was definitely something that should be patched. However, being allowed to make such calls about people's own accounts for such actions is far too controlling and is very reminiscent of a Big Brother way of playing.
Disclaimer: I don't own MW2, so don't call me a whiner about getting banned.
Before moving on, I ask you all to think of answers to each of the following ingame situations.
1. In a multiplayer game with physics, C4 is meant to be a stationary, very powerful trap explosive. However, players find that by attaching C4 to physics objects, then throwing them at people, they have an even more effective grenade. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
2. In a fighting game, Pyong-Kang's Lift Punch ability can be cancelled just after the first hit, which stuns the opponent for about half a second. This is enough time to press the button combo for another Lift Punch. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
3. In a zombie survival game, players find that due to lack of player clipping in the game, all 4 of you can sit in a corner "on top of" each other, and just shove zombies away when they get close to you. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
4. In a fast-paced low-realism multiplayer shooter, players find that jumping the instant they hit the ground means they don't lose as much forward momentum from ground friction, and jumping repeatedly can bring the player to very high speeds. Is this an exploit/glitch, or a feature?
Here's the facts. If there is ANY disagreement on any of the above 4 scenarios, then we have a serious problem by deeming something an "exploit". Some people consider unintended results of something in a game beneficial, and in situations that aren't COMPLETELY unbalanced, they can even be ingrained into the culture, as in the soldier's rocket jump from TF2.
I personally think of the JAVELIN exploit as unbalanced, and it was definitely something that should be patched. However, being allowed to make such calls about people's own accounts for such actions is far too controlling and is very reminiscent of a Big Brother way of playing.
Disclaimer: I don't own MW2, so don't call me a whiner about getting banned.
Man don't take it so personal, we don't need to argue.Supreme Unleaded said:
I'm just saying, that MS can't release a patch without the developer making one first, right?
Yes. Unfair and reactionary business practices by game studios totally call to mind images of men fucking other men in the ass.Fingolfin High-King of the Noldor said:
Its alright bro, we've all been thereSupreme Unleaded said:
So doesn't a temporary ban substitute as a good source of "justice" until a patch is made?
I mean, they could have just ignored the whole problem and waited for IW to release the patch without doing anything
It depends on two things. Fairness, and enforceability. If both sides can do it, and it isn't so good it dominates the pace of the game, it should stay. If it's good enough to change the strategy around using that glitch, it should be looked into. Then, it comes to how you can tell whether or not your doing it. In a different game Capcom vs SNK 2, there is a glitch in where you can kara-cancel a roll and make any special move invincible for about .25 seconds which require about 5/60ths of a second of timing. Its too quick to tell whether you did it at all, but how it affected your character was obvious. But since it was prohibitively difficult, and there where simple ways around it (throw it, bait the move, do your own rc after, etc). Since it was almost impossible to tell that it happend about half of the time, and it was hard to do, it was allowed in all major tournaments that included that game (EVO, SBO, and other tourneys).
In short, Activision need to explain how it works, and why it disrupts the balance of the game to the point of banning players for exploiting their mistakes. Then if its bad enough, get a patch out that fixes it as soon as they can manage if its that important to them.
In short, Activision need to explain how it works, and why it disrupts the balance of the game to the point of banning players for exploiting their mistakes. Then if its bad enough, get a patch out that fixes it as soon as they can manage if its that important to them.
People have exploited glitches since... ever! What if Capcom took away your controller everytime you used the pause button glitch in MegaMan 1?
and if you know anything about computer coding, you know random shit like that can happen, even through all the testing. im sure someone did that on accident, and it just happened.SantoUno said:
You normally have to patch up regardless if you want to play on a ranked online server I think.manaman said:
OP: I've used the glitch before to kill specific campers. The severe amount of noobish camping in the game is a much worse problem than the javelin glitch.