Naked Man In LA Runs Down Street, Tasered, Dies

[The_root_of_all_evil]

So without tasers what are they meant to do? Shoot him?

Maybe just cover him with a blanket and cushion his head like you do with someone having an epileptic fit?

Remind me not to go anywhere near you when I have one.

Huh? Correct first aid procedure for someone having an epileptic fit is to cushion the area around the casualty so they don't brain themselves. If you are refering to the blanket I apologise; I mentioned that in regards to his nudity and my grammar was indeed bad enough so it looked like I was relating the two.

Heh, yeah, a blanket would be like a death-trap, loosening the clothes is preferable if you can.
Cushioning can be quite difficult under flailing though. Trying to stop them swallowing the tongue is probably the most important. Oh and not saying "Are you alright?" when they come round.

 

[zirnitra]

this is one of the few reasons why I like England. Over here when someone's unarmed and naked and running through London we for the most part to very little but if they must be caught we just catch them.

only the officers who carry guns (a very small amount) carry the tasers and they're used to catch armed people. an officer who did taser an unarmed person who there wasn't a suspicion of concealing a gun would probably be fired and put in front of a court.

 

[TwistedEllipses]

this is one of the few reasons why I like England. Over here when someone's unarmed and naked and running through London we for the most part to very little but if they must be caught we just catch them.

only the officers who carry guns (a very small amount) carry the tasers and they're used to catch armed people. an officer who did taser an unarmed person who there wasn't a suspicion of concealing a gun would probably be fired and put in front of a court.

There are trials for tazers in England and armed officers did shot a man who jumped over a ticket turnstile, so I wouldn't linger too much on this issue. I will at least admit it is a lot rarer here and hopefully it will stay that way...

 

[101194]

This guy Sounds like he was cheesing...poor poor dude.

 

[pigeon_of_doom]

The point of them using the taser was that they couldn't subdue him, which is understandable considering the state he was in and the actions he was taking.

If the man was outnumbered, then although it may be difficult if he was high/metally ill, handcuffing him would be a good option. This man hadn't hurt anyone except himself and was unarmed so I think a taser wasn't neccessary.

 

[sheic99]

Well with a Taser, you may or may not die, but in the vast majority of cases, you won't die. When an officer uses a Taser, it is usually his last option before his gun, take away the Taser and then the officer must go for his gun, I would rather be tasered then shot.

In this case, the officer could have just tackled him I guess.

And risk being attacked. fuck that.

Thats why tasers are called "less lethal" instead of safe. Its a shame. The man blatantly had mental health problems.

If you hired cops with some social skills instead of nuckle draggers they might have talked him down instead of itching to use their toys.

Actually, a witness said that they tried to talk him down first, then when he made a move to attack him. The cops pepper sprayed and tazered him. The guy left them with no choice, apart from beating or killing him.

 

[Faeanor]

[spoiler/] Why don't they have a taser class?[/spoiler]

They do have taser classes. It's probably not like this everywhere, but in one department they require each person to get tasered once before they let them have one.

And as other people have said, he was probably really high. Which means his heart rate would already be dangerously high so the taser blast could have overloaded his heart, methinks.

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

Tasers are meant to be less lethal than guns, but their are still instances where they are. At least they didn't shoot him.

 

[Andalusa]

Funny, the whole running naked through the streets, poor dude though.

 

[bjj hero]

So without tasers what are they meant to do? Shoot him?

Maybe just cover him with a blanket and cushion his head like you do with someone having an epileptic fit?

Remind me not to go anywhere near you when I have one.

Huh? Correct first aid procedure for someone having an epileptic fit is to cushion the area around the casualty so they don't brain themselves. If you are refering to the blanket I apologise; I mentioned that in regards to his nudity and my grammar was indeed bad enough so it looked like I was relating the two.

Heh, yeah, a blanket would be like a death-trap, loosening the clothes is preferable if you can.
Cushioning can be quite difficult under flailing though. Trying to stop them swallowing the tongue is probably the most important. Oh and not saying "Are you alright?" when they come round.

No one on the face of the earth has swallowed their tongue. Look in the mirror, open your mouth, ilft your tongue. Its attatched at the base by your frenulum linguae.



Put something soft under the head and clear anything they can bang into from the area.

*snip* the chance of you saying anything during a fit is minimal.

Patients often moan during the tonic phase of tonic-clonic siezures.

 

[bjj hero]

Well with a Taser, you may or may not die, but in the vast majority of cases, you won't die. When an officer uses a Taser, it is usually his last option before his gun, take away the Taser and then the officer must go for his gun, I would rather be tasered then shot.

In this case, the officer could have just tackled him I guess.

And risk being attacked. fuck that.

Thats why tasers are called "less lethal" instead of safe. Its a shame. The man blatantly had mental health problems.

If you hired cops with some social skills instead of nuckle draggers they might have talked him down instead of itching to use their toys.

Actually, a witness said that they tried to talk him down first, then when he made a move to attack him. The cops pepper sprayed and tazered him. The guy left them with no choice, apart from beating or killing him.

Ive said it before, our police manage it with no guns, no tasers and far less beatings. The police outnumbered him and, as he was naked, he was visible unarmed with no concealed weapons.

In fact we get this all the time in England, we call them streakers and they do it at sporting events, and no one gets killed in the process.

 

[axia777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUacwSRH79c&eurl=http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=37967

this is why tasers should be illegal.

discuss

I wonder what was wrong with him. I also wonder what they will find in the coroner's report. I am also very tired of people always blaming the cops when some violent/psycho nut job gets killed when being taken into police custody. No doubt some cops are violent and should not be cops. But if a person is high on meth, has a heart condition, or is already in bad physical shape due to their own stupidity dies while being taken down it is NOT the fault of the police. Self responsibility should be called into account here. People make bad choices. They get themselves in deep shit often. Sometimes when they die it is just an ACCIDENT.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

No one on the face of the earth has swallowed their tongue. Look in the mirror, open your mouth, ilft your tongue. Its attatched at the base by your frenulum linguae.

And in the throes of a fit, the muscles go into spasm, allowing the tongue to lodge blocking the epiglottis and leading to asphyxiation. Commonly known as "swallowing your tongue"

*snip* the chance of you saying anything during a fit is minimal.

Patients often moan during the tonic phase of tonic-clonic siezures.[/quote]
Moaning is not saying something.

Believe me, I've had quite a few experience of this.

 

[Jamash]

So without tasers what are they meant to do? Shoot him?

Arrest him maybe?

Yeah, but not many cops would really want to wrestle and subdue a naked dude.

Maybe if he'd been clothed, they would have just piled in on him and arrested him, but because he was naked, they didn't even want to touch him with their nightsticks.

 

[bjj hero]

No one on the face of the earth has swallowed their tongue. Look in the mirror, open your mouth, ilft your tongue. Its attatched at the base by your frenulum linguae.

And in the throes of a fit, the muscles go into spasm, allowing the tongue to lodge blocking the epiglottis and leading to asphyxiation. Commonly known as "swallowing your tongue"

*snip* the chance of you saying anything during a fit is minimal.

Patients often moan during the tonic phase of tonic-clonic siezures.

Moaning is not saying something.

Believe me, I've had quite a few experience of this.[/quote]

The tongue can fall to the back of the airway closing it. This can be easily remedied with a jaw thrust. Comments like "swallow your tongue" are not helpful. Numerous people have put objects into the mouth causing injury and further problems to stop tongue swallowing trying to help.

I dont want to turn this into a pissing contest Im sure you have experience, but I was a Texas Dept of Health certified paramedic in Houston. Ive not made it up.

 

[Romicron]

Tasers are supposed to be a replacement for lethal force. If they made cops fill out the same amount of paperwork that they have to fill out for each bullet they fire, this would be MUCH less of a problem.

 

[ElephantGuts]

The point of them using the taser was that they couldn't subdue him, which is understandable considering the state he was in and the actions he was taking.

If the man was outnumbered, then although it may be difficult if he was high/metally ill, handcuffing him would be a good option. This man hadn't hurt anyone except himself and was unarmed so I think a taser wasn't neccessary.

I think you underestimate the danger the man posed. Flailing around spastically as he was, I imagine it would be pretty difficult for cops to so much as grab onto his arms and legs, let alone hold on to them and subdue them. And the guy could have easily put all his strength into a good punch or kick and seriously injured a police officer. Not to mention all that would be pretty messy, and since the guy was already bloody (from bashing his head into the ground and whatnot) there was a decent risk of a cop getting infected through his blood.

So through all that, it was much easier to use a usually nonlethal weapon like a taser to safely subdue the guy. Unfortunately something went wrong this time, but as I said I don't think it's anybody's fault.

 

[sheic99]

Well with a Taser, you may or may not die, but in the vast majority of cases, you won't die. When an officer uses a Taser, it is usually his last option before his gun, take away the Taser and then the officer must go for his gun, I would rather be tasered then shot.

In this case, the officer could have just tackled him I guess.

And risk being attacked. fuck that.

Thats why tasers are called "less lethal" instead of safe. Its a shame. The man blatantly had mental health problems.

If you hired cops with some social skills instead of nuckle draggers they might have talked him down instead of itching to use their toys.

Actually, a witness said that they tried to talk him down first, then when he made a move to attack him. The cops pepper sprayed and tazered him. The guy left them with no choice, apart from beating or killing him.

Ive said it before, our police manage it with no guns, no tasers and far less beatings. The police outnumbered him and, as he was naked, he was visible unarmed with no concealed weapons.

In fact we get this all the time in England, we call them streakers and they do it at sporting events, and no one gets killed in the process.

I guess your country is not as fucked as America is. But you know, Streakers don't usually bang their head into asphault and then attack cops. This guy was clearly off his rocker during this act. They may have not been weapons on this guy, but he was not mentally stable. Either medically, or with drugs. He did not listen to the cops or go down with pepper spray. If the coroner's report comes back and the guy was tripping on PCP, then the cops were in the right. This whole episode reminds me of Rodney King.

As a side not, from the cops I know, they would rather arrest somebody without a taser or handgun. As it increases the amount of paperwork they have to complete, with psycological counciling.

 

[mattttherman3]

Well with a Taser, you may or may not die, but in the vast majority of cases, you won't die. When an officer uses a Taser, it is usually his last option before his gun, take away the Taser and then the officer must go for his gun, I would rather be tasered then shot.

In this case, the officer could have just tackled him I guess.

Its amazing how outside of America, in the UK, the police manage to arrest unarmed suspects without a taser or fire arm. The argument the taser was the right option as otherwise theyd be forced to shoot him is BS. Americans are fire arms mad, I know, I lived in Texas.

As far as him deserving it and being no great loss, lets hope no escapists run into personal problems, mental health issues or a dependency problem. Statisticly a few of us already have or will. Its more common than you think. I just hope there are no heavy handed police there when you do.

It's amazing that you assume I am an American, I am Canadian. Don't make mistake that again please. The U.K is a different country with different rules, are you telling me that police armed with billy clubs are going to charge into a building wth drug lords that have fully automatic wepons? I don't think so.