Naked Man In LA Runs Down Street, Tasered, Dies

[pigeon_of_doom]

So through all that, it was much easier to use a usually nonlethal weapon like a taser to safely subdue the guy.

Yeah, but surely in their line of work they would have known the risks of using them on people under the influence of drugs or having a seizure? While its not safe to approach a man having a seizure, aren't tasers meant to be an alternative to using firearms? As in using them in a situation where the use of a firearm would be merited? Maybe a one man armed robbery I could understand, but not to shut up a guy thrashing against the ground who has shown no risk to anyone except himself. Besides, it seems that the officers' training wasn't comprehensive enough for him to know or recognise when tasers could be lethal. I'm British so I probably have quite a soft approach of law enforcement, but the officers actions were misguided at best.

For all we know, the dude could simply have been suffering from some kind of mental problem.

Not the first time this has happened.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=2675812&page=1

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I dont want to turn this into a pissing contest Im sure you have experience, but I was a Texas Dept of Health certified paramedic in Houston. Ive not made it up.

I'm epiletic. Your call.

 

[scotth266]

Tasers are better than guns, so the point is moot already...
But cops should be taught how to use these things properly. Tasers are very effective (and hardly ever lethal) when used carefully.

 

[DMShade]

Earlier this week, the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) declared that taser use is now limited to use, approximately, to threat-to-life situations in their ranks. Canadian Police forces are expected to consider following suit very shortly.

 

[terribleyetfun]

okay so a guy get`s tasered and dies that part I got but what was he on cause I`l take some of that.

 

[BIGpanda]

Why don't they have a taser class?

they do class and certificates are needed in order to handle anything in terms of enforcement or security, hell I have to got register my hands as weapons this month now that I've finished karate.

your, boy here was probably on speed and thought he could pull a quick one from the movie "Cranked" where he runs around naked or tazers himself and other such nonsense to keep his pulse up and kicking.

 

[mooncalf]

C'mon, illegal? They're not meant to be SAFE, just 'Less Lethal'!

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

And risk being attacked. fuck that.

Actually, a witness said that they tried to talk him down first, then when he made a move to attack him. The cops pepper sprayed and tazered him. The guy left them with no choice, apart from beating or killing him.

How can any sort of rational human being actually say, with a straight face, that they had no other choice "apart from beating or killing him."

Seriously? Cops get paid to protect people, and protecting people includes protecting them from themselves. Obviously this guy didn't need to be tazed, and furthermore, the safety or lives of police officers should not be put at a higher priority than that of any other person. It's their job to risk themselves for the protection of others, and if a person is more concerned with their own well-being than that of someone else's they should not be a police officer.

 

[sheic99]

And risk being attacked. fuck that.

Actually, a witness said that they tried to talk him down first, then when he made a move to attack him. The cops pepper sprayed and tazered him. The guy left them with no choice, apart from beating or killing him.

How can any sort of rational human being actually say, with a straight face, that they had no other choice "apart from beating or killing him."

Seriously? Cops get paid to protect people, and protecting people includes protecting them from themselves. Obviously this guy didn't need to be tazed, and furthermore, the safety or lives of police officers should not be put at a higher priority than that of any other person. It's their job to risk themselves for the protection of others, and if a person is more concerned with their own well-being than that of someone else's they should not be a police officer.

So, a cop should not shoot someone who is shooting at them because it "endangers" the citizen.

Yes the guy needed to get tasered. Is it better to let a guy run around smashing his head into the ground and not try to stop it. When someone is obviously not in their right mind, it becomes hard to predict what the person might do. It was also not the cop's fault for the cause of death either. The cop did not know anything about his prior medical history and could not predict that the taser would stop his heart.

Furthermore, 99.7% of people who get tasered only receive minor injuries.(scraps, bruises etc.) This guy was one of the three unlucky bastards out of every 1000 or so people shocked.

Lastly, all cops know what a taser feels like. Before they are issued the weapon, they must first be attacked with it.

 

[Zer_]

Well now. Let it be known that many of the different police sections actually have getting tazed at least once as part of the standard training.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

So, a cop should not shoot someone who is shooting at them because it "endangers" the citizen.

Yes the guy needed to get tasered. Is it better to let a guy run around smashing his head into the ground and not try to stop it. When someone is obviously not in their right mind, it becomes hard to predict what the person might do. It was also not the cop's fault for the cause of death either. The cop did not know anything about his prior medical history and could not predict that the taser would stop his heart.

Furthermore, 99.7% of people who get tasered only receive minor injuries.(scraps, bruises etc.) This guy was one of the three unlucky bastards out of every 1000 or so people shocked.

Lastly, all cops know what a taser feels like. Before they are issued the weapon, they must first be attacked with it.

No one was being shot at in this situation. The man was naked and unarmed. Properly trained police officers and military personnel do not need a taser to subdue a naked and unarmed person.

The fact of the matter is that regardless of the end result, the majority of recorded tazings I have personally seen, read about or heard of were completely unnecessary and were just instances of poorly trained and/or outright stupid police officers who solve every block they encounter with one of their nifty toys that they can do whatever they want with.

Remember that BART officer who shot and killed the guy in the subway and was charged with murder? The only reason that was even on the news or the officer was charged was because there was hard evidence recorded by and in the possession of civilians who were going to show it to people and news agencies anyway. If there hadn't been any evidence no one would have ever known about it, just like most of the crimes police officers commit.

 

[bjj hero]

Well with a Taser, you may or may not die, but in the vast majority of cases, you won't die. When an officer uses a Taser, it is usually his last option before his gun, take away the Taser and then the officer must go for his gun, I would rather be tasered then shot.

In this case, the officer could have just tackled him I guess.

Its amazing how outside of America, in the UK, the police manage to arrest unarmed suspects without a taser or fire arm. The argument the taser was the right option as otherwise theyd be forced to shoot him is BS. Americans are fire arms mad, I know, I lived in Texas.

As far as him deserving it and being no great loss, lets hope no escapists run into personal problems, mental health issues or a dependency problem. Statisticly a few of us already have or will. Its more common than you think. I just hope there are no heavy handed police there when you do.

It's amazing that you assume I am an American, I am Canadian. Don't make mistake that again please. The U.K is a different country with different rules, are you telling me that police armed with billy clubs are going to charge into a building wth drug lords that have fully automatic wepons? I don't think so.

We do have armed police, they are called out when the offender has a weapon, they are the only ones allowed to use tasers also. That is different from every officer carrying a fire arm.

At the opposite end of the spectrum you have a single naked unarmed suspect and hes killed with a weapon. Why does it have to be one size fits all? I was saying it was disproportional.

Im sorry I called you an American, most of the Canadians Ive met have been really nice (so are the Americans for that matter). I do know what you mean. The amount of Americans who refer to us as "Europeans" like its all one country, buy an atlas...

 

[CRAVE CASE 55]

Thats why tasers are called "less lethal" instead of safe. Its a shame. The man blatantly had mental health problems.

If you hired cops with some social skills instead of nuckle draggers they might have talked him down instead of itching to use their toys.

Would you rather they shot him they tried talking him down he made a move towards them and, he was warned they are trained to do that. it was a freak accident so don't make it sound like it was the cops fault he probably having a bad enogh experience as it is. plus your making all cops look like shoot first ask questions later so lay off.

 

[Tarmon'gaidin]

They shouldn't be illigal but the use of them should be prohibitid to a select group of people, like SWAT or the police.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Once again, a case involving some sort of weapon that ends tragically. It was already, but I don't think this is necessarily an incident that should be blamed on the taser/stungun. And I believe it's the same sort of case when it comes to video games and violence. The products generally aren't the problem, it's the individuals involved.

 

[bjj hero]

Thats why tasers are called "less lethal" instead of safe. Its a shame. The man blatantly had mental health problems.

If you hired cops with some social skills instead of nuckle draggers they might have talked him down instead of itching to use their toys.

Would you rather they shot him they tried talking him down he made a move towards them and, he was warned they are trained to do that. it was a freak accident so don't make it sound like it was the cops fault he probably having a bad enogh experience as it is. plus your making all cops look like shoot first ask questions later so lay off.

So shooting or tasering were the only two options available? what do you think would happen in the UK? He would not have been shot or tasered, he would have been restrained and arrested, theyre paid and trained to do it. Ill say again, he was unarmed. Bunch of cowboys. If he had a stick or a knife then taser him; he didnt.

 

[CRAVE CASE 55]

So, a cop should not shoot someone who is shooting at them because it "endangers" the citizen.

Yes the guy needed to get tasered. Is it better to let a guy run around smashing his head into the ground and not try to stop it. When someone is obviously not in their right mind, it becomes hard to predict what the person might do. It was also not the cop's fault for the cause of death either. The cop did not know anything about his prior medical history and could not predict that the taser would stop his heart.

Furthermore, 99.7% of people who get tasered only receive minor injuries.(scraps, bruises etc.) This guy was one of the three unlucky bastards out of every 1000 or so people shocked.

Lastly, all cops know what a taser feels like. Before they are issued the weapon, they must first be attacked with it.

No one was being shot at in this situation. The man was naked and unarmed. Properly trained police officers and military personnel do not need a taser to subdue a naked and unarmed person.

The fact of the matter is that regardless of the end result, the majority of recorded tazings I have personally seen, read about or heard of were completely unnecessary and were just instances of poorly trained and/or outright stupid police officers who solve every block they encounter with one of their nifty toys that they can do whatever they want with.

Remember that BART officer who shot and killed the guy in the subway and was charged with murder? The only reason that was even on the news or the officer was charged was because there was hard evidence recorded by and in the possession of civilians who were going to show it to people and news agencies anyway. If there hadn't been any evidence no one would have ever known about it, just like most of the crimes police officers commit.

Do you relize that if this man is in such a state of mind to beat his head on the concreat that if a cop has to go into unarmed combat hes not going to be afraid of the pain so he will fight even more and why are you making it sound like all cops are the trigger happy bastards in the movies