Naughty Dog Co-Founder: Nintendo ?Irrelevant as a Hardware Manufacturer?

[Arnoxthe1]

Atleast Nintendo is focusing on making games and not movies like the rest of the industry is currently doing.

Well, yeah, except that they're doing the same franchises over and over and over.

 

[Nathan Josephs]

nobody buys a nintendo console for the hardware anymore they buy it for the exclusives. his point stands.

 

[xaszatm]

7th Gen: PS3 has best hardware. Xbox360 wins the generation.

By "win" - do you mean ended up in last place?
The 360 only "won" in two countries and is in last place in terms of sales.

Just sayin'

I meant in terms of popularity and what games are available. And technically speaking the Xbox 360 did win in that regard. If we go by what sells most, well its relatively harder to actually pick a winner, otherwise the PS4 already won cause it sold more arguably on launch day, even though that has little merit.

And the Wii doesn't fit into this how...? Like, did everyone forget that the Wii sold like hotcakes, topped the charts in the categories of most sold games, and had a great library? Or are we doing an Orwellian retcon of anything Nintendo in the vain hope that if we repeat ourselves, it would come true?

And furthermore, the Xbox 360 is popular in America, unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around one country. The Wii is the best sold console of last generation. The PS3 topped the Xbox 360 as well. Remind me again why the Xbox 360 ultimately won?

 

[GladiatorUA]

The problem is, Nintendo has enough money to afford to flop. Unlike Sony. And with all the talk about desire to sell Xbox division, MS also.

So WiiU flopped. So what? Nintendo can come out within next two years with more powerful console that can be sold at a profit, that can include VR headset etc. And it will be more than relevant again. It would be nice if they figured out online, DRM and working with 3rd parties before that. They can also comfortably stay with handheld market and drown in cash.

 

[A-D.]

7th Gen: PS3 has best hardware. Xbox360 wins the generation.

By "win" - do you mean ended up in last place?
The 360 only "won" in two countries and is in last place in terms of sales.

Just sayin'

I meant in terms of popularity and what games are available. And technically speaking the Xbox 360 did win in that regard. If we go by what sells most, well its relatively harder to actually pick a winner, otherwise the PS4 already won cause it sold more arguably on launch day, even though that has little merit.

And the Wii doesn't fit into this how...? Like, did everyone forget that the Wii sold like hotcakes, topped the charts in the categories of most sold games, and had a great library? Or are we doing an Orwellian retcon of anything Nintendo in the vain hope that if we repeat ourselves, it would come true?

And furthermore, the Xbox 360 is popular in America, unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around one country. The Wii is the best sold console of last generation. The PS3 topped the Xbox 360 as well. Remind me again why the Xbox 360 ultimately won?

Games? I think i actually said so right in that post you quoted. Just because one console sells X amount of units doesnt mean its the best one, after all, you could have the best console ever made, like twice as powerful as everything else, but that matters very little if you cant play any good games on it. The PS3 had a really shitty launch, on top of lack of games at launch it also took ages until the good ones came out, or rather those people looked forward to. The Wii on the other hand didnt sell as a gaming-console in the sense of..normal gaming, but more as a family-oriented, anyone-can-play console, and most of its titles reflect this.

The 360 had more games, for a core demographic that are "gamers" so to speak, even if some are pipsqueak mouthbreathers that call you ******. It doesnt really matter there, its still..you know, games sold, the more games available the better a console is essentially. As said, the best console is worth nothing without games. The Wii didnt really have many third party titles, most were the usual nintendo rehashes, with a couple gimmick-games based on the new waggle-controller, it took a while until you finally got to some actual good games (my opinion anyway). The PS3 had a crap launch and took ages to actually get going as it were. Meanwhile, the Xbox 360 was essentially the PS2 of that gen, it just had a relatively easy start, quickly filling library with a multitude of game-genres.

I count that as a winner. Unless you just want to argue that some console cant be best cause Microsoft made it. A Cycle is not decided within X amount of time, its not decided on launch-day, or even a few months from now, its decided by what comes in the next couple years. Wii had a good start, then it failed to keep going at the same pace, hence PS3 and 360 moved in. The Wii simply had the luxury of being released first. Like the WiiU, except this time we dont see a repeat of that.

 

[xaszatm]

7th Gen: PS3 has best hardware. Xbox360 wins the generation.

By "win" - do you mean ended up in last place?
The 360 only "won" in two countries and is in last place in terms of sales.

Just sayin'

I meant in terms of popularity and what games are available. And technically speaking the Xbox 360 did win in that regard. If we go by what sells most, well its relatively harder to actually pick a winner, otherwise the PS4 already won cause it sold more arguably on launch day, even though that has little merit.

And the Wii doesn't fit into this how...? Like, did everyone forget that the Wii sold like hotcakes, topped the charts in the categories of most sold games, and had a great library? Or are we doing an Orwellian retcon of anything Nintendo in the vain hope that if we repeat ourselves, it would come true?

And furthermore, the Xbox 360 is popular in America, unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around one country. The Wii is the best sold console of last generation. The PS3 topped the Xbox 360 as well. Remind me again why the Xbox 360 ultimately won?

Games? I think i actually said so right in that post you quoted. Just because one console sells X amount of units doesnt mean its the best one, after all, you could have the best console ever made, like twice as powerful as everything else, but that matters very little if you cant play any good games on it. The PS3 had a really shitty launch, on top of lack of games at launch it also took ages until the good ones came out, or rather those people looked forward to. The Wii on the other hand didnt sell as a gaming-console in the sense of..normal gaming, but more as a family-oriented, anyone-can-play console, and most of its titles reflect this.

The 360 had more games, for a core demographic that are "gamers" so to speak, even if some are pipsqueak mouthbreathers that call you ******. It doesnt really matter there, its still..you know, games sold, the more games available the better a console is essentially. As said, the best console is worth nothing without games. The Wii didnt really have many third party titles, most were the usual nintendo rehashes, with a couple gimmick-games based on the new waggle-controller, it took a while until you finally got to some actual good games (my opinion anyway). The PS3 had a crap launch and took ages to actually get going as it were. Meanwhile, the Xbox 360 was essentially the PS2 of that gen, it just had a relatively easy start, quickly filling library with a multitude of game-genres.

I count that as a winner. Unless you just want to argue that some console cant be best cause Microsoft made it. A Cycle is not decided within X amount of time, its not decided on launch-day, or even a few months from now, its decided by what comes in the next couple years. Wii had a good start, then it failed to keep going at the same pace, hence PS3 and 360 moved in. The Wii simply had the luxury of being released first. Like the WiiU, except this time we dont see a repeat of that.

I'm not saying Microsoft isn't the best because of Microsoft. I still love my orginal Xbox and I love my Xbox 360. I'm just saying that I see your reasoning of why the 360 won is flimsy at best and relies on the market consisting primarily of America. It's not wrong because ultimately who won last generation is up the opinion of that person, especially if the qualification is who had the "core" gamer.

Furthermore, like you are saying that the Xbox 360 won last generation, I am saying the Wii did. And in some objective stats (i.e. most consoles sold, highest game sold) it did. I personally believe that Nintendo had a strong line-up all the way but of course, that is just my opinion.

Lastly, this is still your opinion, but the Launches of the Wii and the Wii U are completely different. And not just in the lineup. Nintendo spent the first year of its advertising focusing completely on the casual market, then on creating games for "core" gamers. The WiiU's plan was to spend its first year with third party titles, this failed spectacularly with both Nintendo and 3rd parties to blame. The Wii was a success because it advertised itself as a family console, something the other two don't do. That's not to say that the other two aren't or can't be family consoles, they're just not advertised this way. The Wii U on the other hand has had a terrible ad campaign, with little to no advertising.

 

[A-D.]

I'm not saying Microsoft isn't the best because of Microsoft. I still love my orginal Xbox and I love my Xbox 360. I'm just saying that I see your reasoning of why the 360 won is flimsy at best and relies on the market consisting primarily of America. It's not wrong because ultimately who won last generation is up the opinion of that person, especially if the qualification is who had the "core" gamer.

Furthermore, like you are saying that the Xbox 360 won last generation, I am saying the Wii did. And in some objective stats (i.e. most consoles sold, highest game sold) it did. I personally believe that Nintendo had a strong line-up all the way but of course, that is just my opinion.

Lastly, this is still your opinion, but the Launches of the Wii and the Wii U are completely different. And not just in the lineup. Nintendo spent the first year of its advertising focusing completely on the casual market, then on creating games for "core" gamers. The WiiU's plan was to spend its first year with third party titles, this failed spectacularly with both Nintendo and 3rd parties to blame. The Wii was a success because it advertised itself as a family console, something the other two don't do. That's not to say that the other two aren't or can't be family consoles, they're just not advertised this way. The Wii U on the other hand has had a terrible ad campaign, with little to no advertising.

Except im not using a flimsy excuse because it was strong in 'Merikuh. I dont live in the US, i dont fucking care. I am looking at it objectively, as in, worldwide as it were. Mentioning that the Xbox is popular in the US is like saying that Sony is popular in Japan, everybody knows this, that is not news, thats not even a beginner's argument. The point is where the core of the audience is going, and by this i mean which console offers the most variety. Wii didnt offer much at the start, PS3 offered barely anything at launch. No variety at all for a while, the 360 though had variety, plus it was kinda popular with the so-called "dudebro" demographic who is..well a bigger part of the audience no matter what.

No console really failed, so thats not the argument, the argument i was making is which "won", i.e. which delivered the most variety of games and such, not just which game sold X times or which console sold X times, you cant really measure success or failure by sales numbers. Granted the Industry does that, but thats basicly a profit-thing, they wanna make money, so thats why they gotta look there. But really, it should be about which games are "best", the games you enjoy, the games that are going to be your nostalgic moments in 10-20 years. Arguably the 360 delivered more games, more variety and in a way, a better experience. Thats not all down to just the hardware, the PS3 launch PR bit Sony in the ass too, as well as the price. The Wii launched earlier and managed to get a good headstart and the other two still caught up, which means if the Wii had launched at the same time, it'd have been a abyssmal launch.

Hell Nintendo's attempt at somehow making the same stuff the other two are doing is whats causing them to lose sales right now as you pointed out. But the brand-awareness is still there. You dont need to advertise big on TV ala "new playstation is coming", people know. The people who want one? Who had the previous one? They already know so you cant exactly blame lack of advertising there because it is a known brand and unless one of them states that they are effectively leaving the "race", a new console will come out eventually. Its not like the WiiU is from some unknown company, its fucking Nintendo and unless you're 12, you have no excuse not to know who Nintendo is.

 

[TrevHead]

Atm the WiiU has the best games of all the 3 systems, besides the lack of 3rd party support, what the the WiiU really lacks is it's dire value proposition compared to the others.

Nintendo aren't irrelevant they are just bloody stupid and need to put more value into their console. Rather than relying on Mario to sell the machine, they should cut the RRP to £200. I know some ppl only payed £150 but those days are gone now it's back up to £250 with a game in most places on the net.

Like I said RRP down to £200 and pack in 1 WiiU game, a Wiimote and sensorbar and 4-6 Wii games that are semi collectors items (Xenoblade, Galaxy, Metdroid Prime Trilogy, Fire Emblim etc). Considering their Wii games aren't even in print anymore it's not as if they're losing much money giving them away. The Wii had lots of great games which most ppl didn't play.

Giving away Wii games is such a quick and easy way to increase the WiiU's value proposition I wonder why Nintendo hasn't done it. They have this great feature in Backwards compatibility and just ignore it.

 

[Quellan Thyde]

As long as it keeps making games people want to play (Mario, Zelda et al), Nintendo's hardware is irrelevant.

 

[Korten12]

He's right. Most third-party developers won't bother with it because of the much inferior hardware.

Or because they are too lazy to work with hardware that does'nt focus on pretty textures.Seriously the inferiour hardware excuse is pretty thin at this point.

You do realize stronger hardware isn't just better textures? Do people not understand this yet? It's quite sad. :/

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

He's right. Most third-party developers won't bother with it because of the much inferior hardware.

Or because they are too lazy to work with hardware that does'nt focus on pretty textures.Seriously the inferiour hardware excuse is pretty thin at this point.

You do realize stronger hardware isn't just better textures? Do people not understand this yet? It's quite sad. :/

exactly. while many companies do use the power to make better graphics, it helps a ton on how many units can be on the screen/ai depth/loading screens/etc...

when the consoles get better hardware it raises the bar all around for these artificial limits; hell look at ff 15 (one game i am really looking forward to), they didn't continue with it before because of lack of hardware power.

 

[BloodSquirrel]

7th Gen: PS3 has best hardware. Xbox360 wins the generation.

By "win" - do you mean ended up in last place?
The 360 only "won" in two countries and is in last place in terms of sales.

Just sayin'

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-sales-reach-80-million-units/1100-6415644/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-3-crosses-80-million-sales/1100-6415987/

As per last official numbers, the 360 was ahead of the PS3.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

The AAA industry is doing that and using the same type of protoganist in their games.

Yes, but Nintendo does it much more than most. I mean, when was the last time they churned out a new IP, hm?

 

[Evonisia]

7th Gen: PS3 has best hardware. Xbox360 wins the generation.

By "win" - do you mean ended up in last place?
The 360 only "won" in two countries and is in last place in terms of sales.

Just sayin'

The difference in sales between the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are barely worth noting. It's not like the 20 million difference there is between the two and the Wii. I don't think anybody says that the Gamecube came third in the 6th Generation because it and the Xbox essentially sold the same number.

The 360 had a bigger impact on society and the public, but that was largely because of the massive popularity of Halo and Gears of War and the very slow start to the PS3.

But regardless, the Wii won the generation. Everybody knows the Wii, everybody bought the Wii.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

The AAA industry is doing that and using the same type of protoganist in their games.

Yes, but Nintendo does it much more than most. I mean, when was the last time they churned out a new IP, hm?

Wonderful 101, Dillons Rolling Western, Harmoknigths, Pushmo/Crashmo, Pikmin, The Wii Series. The First 4 were all released in the 2010's, and Pikmin and The Wii Series were debuted in the 2000's.

 

[BloodSquirrel]

That's funny since PS3 surpassed the 360 earlier this year (and did it in less time -- about 1 year less).

What's funny about a bunch of unofficial estimates being moderately inaccurate?

(Bonus points for linking a Wikipedia article that sources it's numbers from the same announcements that I originally linked)