Net Neutrality being overruled. please god tell me its a joke.

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: [Compassion is the response to the suffering of others that motivates a desire to help]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Did you even watch EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAS EVER DONE EVER?

His paltry call for unity, was probably the only time he said someone else's written words for him. If actions speak only of division and narrow-minded hostility.

And I am an American and I hate the way this country is moving in. I also have a passing interest in US history and actually know the values and ideas this country was founded on, and it is not what Trump is doing or calling for.

Well it's happening, don't know what to tell you. The country is tired of rampant social vigilantism and far left ideals, so it's changing for the better.

I've given up trying to reason with you, you're beyond the help of anyone who isn't a professional, which I still advise you to see. You've been so unsubstantiated and dishonest that if you were to tell me the sun was still in the sky- I would have to go check because I can't take anything you say seriously.

This thread has been derailed enough, so maybe stop clogging it with what amounts to "It's not fair!" over and over.

 

[Thaluikhain]

For the love of all that is holy, quote and point out this alleged attack I'm making on you! For all the things we disagree on, my biggest complaint is how unsubstantiated your claims are. I can beg you for one single citation of what you claim are attacks, but the next thing you post will be another baseless accusation.

...

You need help. A professional can help you with these delusions of persecution that you're feeling. What you're doing to yourself isn't healthy.

Oh look, there's one.

Did you even watch his inauguration? Where he called for unity and a stop to bickering

I don't think Trump's ability to talk about unity was ever in serious doubt.

The Pentagon almost routinely asks for a smaller budget and fewer resources than Congress ends up giving it, even during the Obama years. Their biggest concern is mostly that all of the crap Congress keeps buying for the military and throws money at developing isn't particularly useful for the conflicts we find ourselves in. Conventional warfare and Counter Insurgency warfare has very little overlap as far as logistics, strategy, tactics, and equipment needs go, and Congress keeps wanting to buy the Army new Main Battle Tanks.

In fairness, the wars the US fight now might not be the wars they fight in 10, 15, 20 years time.

After Vietnam, the US Army, under Depuy underwent a big restructuing, much of it controversial. They threw away most of what they had learnt in Vietnam, because they were worried about the Fulda Gap.

Now, Congress throwing money at MBTs is another issue, though.

 

[Just Ebola]

For the love of all that is holy, quote and point out this alleged attack I'm making on you! For all the things we disagree on, my biggest complaint is how unsubstantiated your claims are. I can beg you for one single citation of what you claim are attacks, but the next thing you post will be another baseless accusation.

...

You need help. A professional can help you with these delusions of persecution that you're feeling. What you're doing to yourself isn't healthy.

Oh look, there's one.

Did you even watch his inauguration? Where he called for unity and a stop to bickering

I don't think Trump's ability to talk about unity was ever in serious doubt.

The Pentagon almost routinely asks for a smaller budget and fewer resources than Congress ends up giving it, even during the Obama years. Their biggest concern is mostly that all of the crap Congress keeps buying for the military and throws money at developing isn't particularly useful for the conflicts we find ourselves in. Conventional warfare and Counter Insurgency warfare has very little overlap as far as logistics, strategy, tactics, and equipment needs go, and Congress keeps wanting to buy the Army new Main Battle Tanks.

In fairness, the wars the US fight now might not be the wars they fight in 10, 15, 20 years time.

After Vietnam, the US Army, under Depuy underwent a big restructuing, much of it controversial. They threw away most of what they had learnt in Vietnam, because they were worried about the Fulda Gap.

Now, Congress throwing money at MBTs is another issue, though.

That's an "attack"? You must have a pretty loose definition of the word, because I meant it genuinely, something that should be apparent from reading my previous posts. When I see someone suffering from delusions and paranoia I think seeking counseling is a good thing to do.

And yea, Zukhov said he would've been less disappointed if Trump had began his presidency with a call for unity. So I pointed out the time Trump called for unity. Fairly straightforward. And you're kind of jumping in here when I've honestly run out of steam on the subject, hate to disappoint but if you want to debate about politics, you'll have to find someone else.

Meanwhile I'll keep sitting back and watching the country auto-correct, grinning to myself.

 

[Thaluikhain]

That's an "attack"? You must have a pretty loose definition of the word, because I meant it genuinely, something that should be apparent from reading my previous posts.

So? If I am to say that Trump is a terrible PotUS, does it make it not an attack if I believe it to be true?

And yea, Zukhov said he would've been less disappointed if Trump had began his presidency with a call for unity.

Ah, yes, I'd missed that part of Zhukov's post, my mistake.

 

[Saelune]

@Ebola_chan: Calling me crazy because I disagree with you doesnt make me believe you. That you think someone finding issue with Trump is a sign of mental illness speaks more about your fanatic devotion to him than me being wrong.

When we started arguing, you got under my skin and I too was emotional. But once I realized that you were arguing based on no information, I actually calmed down and have been rather calm since then.

I continue to suggest you actually learn what Trump is doing, cause as it stands it seems you believe him just because he says so, and that is dangerous.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

The weakened military I don't know enough about to comment on it.

Some insight, there's a disparity between how the military trained/treated soldiers before Obama and afterward. Mainly it boils down to the idea of meritocracy being ignored or outright done away with due to policies, which in terms of military discipline is a bad thing. Basically speaking, the military is usually (though not always, because exceptions happen) run as a meritocracy because soldiers to pull their weight or go above and beyond tend to get rewarded for it by way of promotions or service medals. However the participation trophy mentality has eked its way in and shattered that concept, which leads to a weaker overall fighting force. Why bother working hard at your job when you can sit on ass and get the same recognition as a soldier who earned his combat badge or promotion? Because that half-ass work will get you, and probably your unit, killed in action.
Having been in the military in the US, I may not always agree with how the government has used the resource, but I still respect the soldiers, and the newer crop from most indications and anecdotes from still enlisted friends has given me the insight that the current military is at its weakest ever when it comes to boots-on-the-ground soldiers. Many of the things that training instructors (drill sergeants and their branch equivalents) used to be able to do that were effective training measures have been hampered by a softer mentality. In civilian life, those things are not the way you would train people to do their jobs, even though I'd say some kids who're just joining the workforce would benefit from the discipline. However, in military life those training methods are absolutely necessary because it is not a normal job and those ways have effectively trained good soldiers (who by the by are not mindless automatons). No there is no physical contact style abuse, that stuff doesn't happen anymore unless a soldier in training decides to swing on a training instructor... but what people might perceive as psychological abuse is actually the method used to get soldiers out of bad habits and react instinctively to high stress situations. Not everyone is cut out for it, and the ones who aren't should be weeded out. Those are the guys who crack under pressure and get their buddies killed.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy post, I just feel strongly about what the US Military has become since Obama took office.
Let me note I'm not a Trump fan either, actually most politicians give me twitches because I just don't trust anyone who wants that job.

Did you expect anything different? Less than half the population wanted him as leader

Actually it was just about 1/3 of the population for Clinton and 1/3 for Trump, and a negligible amount for the rest, and 1/3 didn't bother to vote. So realistically aside from a few small percentage points, it wasn't that huge a margin win/loss. While sometimes it may be weird to see how the electoral college works, in actuality its a preventative measure against the largest population centers dictating the direction of the country to the rest. If we, the US, went with a strict mob-rule popular vote, then the people who live in the center states would always lose out to the rest of the country and their votes basically would be seen as worthless.
If you see the actual county-by-county map, more overall counties voted red than did blue, but the votes per state are always swung by small but dense population areas.
If things were a true democracy instead of republic, then you could basically see the large population centers as nobility dictating to the peasantry how their lives will be run without any hope of having a voice.
It feels slightly weird to say, but it was just about 2.8 million difference in votes, not enough of a margin to say that a huge portion of the country didn't want Trump. A huge portion of certain states didn't want him, which is not representative of the country as a whole.
Personally speaking, I do not want California dictating my life, they can't even run their own state without massive federal financial support.
Again, not a Trump fan but the disparity between how things are reported, with throwaway terms of "over half of the country/population" are inaccurate. Even in just tallying up the voters, neither candidate made it to the half mark. By a few points, but still 48%/46% is not half.


On the overall topic, whats done is done, and I'm not sure how to feel on anything right now. I did honestly fear Hillary as president more than Trump, only because there's something about her that screams to me that she's incapable of leading properly. I do not feel good about Trump, I don't feel horrified over him either... I've got theories but I'm holding onto them for now because I do not have enough to go on quite yet. Give it a year, I'll have a clearer picture.

 

[Zhukov]

However, in military life those training methods are absolutely necessary because it is not a normal job and those ways have effectively trained good soldiers (who by the by are not mindless automatons). No there is no physical contact style abuse, that stuff doesn't happen anymore unless a soldier in training decides to swing on a training instructor... but what people might perceive as psychological abuse is actually the method used to get soldiers out of bad habits and react instinctively to high stress situations. Not everyone is cut out for it, and the ones who aren't should be weeded out. Those are the guys who crack under pressure and get their buddies killed.

Can you specify what methods you mean exactly?

I went through army training in 07. I do not recall anything that could be called psychological abuse. Although that was the ADF, not the US army, I don't know how differently things are done over there.

(EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not looking for an argument on this. Merely curious as to what you were referring to.)

Actually it was just about 1/3 of the population for Clinton and 1/3 for Trump, and a negligible amount for the rest, and 1/3 didn't bother to vote.

I'm aware. (You crazy yanks and your non-compulsory voting.) I'm assuming the voters are representative of the country as a whole. I'm no expert on statistics but I'm pretty sure 120 million odd people from all over the country is a good sample size.

It feels slightly weird to say, but it was just about 2.8 million difference in votes, not enough of a margin to say that a huge portion of the country didn't want Trump. A huge portion of certain states didn't want him, which is not representative of the country as a whole.

My point was that the election showed there was a larger number of people who demonstrably didn't want him as their president. So it's strange for people to be surprised when a large number of people got agitated when he did become president.

Personally speaking, I do not want California dictating my life, they can't even run their own state without massive federal financial support.

That's [https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/] not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state] accurate [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/].

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Can you specify what methods you mean exactly?

I went through army training in 07. I do not recall anything that could be called psychological abuse. Although that was the ADF, not the US army, I don't know how differently things are done over there.

(EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not looking for an argument on this. Merely curious as to what you were referring to.)

I'm not saying its psychological abuse, but there are people who would view the way Drill Instructors speak to soldiers in training as abusive, and what I mean is that the people who perceive it as such are viewing through a lens of civilian life with little or no idea of how the military life differs in so many aspects.

I'm aware. (You crazy yanks and your non-compulsory voting.) I'm assuming the voters are representative of the country as a whole. I'm no expert on statistics but I'm pretty sure 120 million odd people from all over the country is a good sample size.

My point being is that 2/3 of the country (nearly) either didn't care or voted Trump, while only 1/3 and a tiny slice voted for Hillary or the other folks, so its only fair to say 1/3 of the country actively didn't want him. Its not an even margin and not representative of the whole.

My point was that the election showed there was a larger number of people who demonstrably didn't want him as their president. So it's strange for people to be surprised when a large number of people got agitated when he did become president.

In national terms though, the differential is quite small and highly localized to certain population centers, though they may be large, still is not accurately representative of a whole. I find its best to say there's a 1/3 of the country that doesn't agree with the choice of POTUS, 1/3 that does and 1/3 that has chosen not to voice by way of legal ballot. Meaning that we're fairly split and divided and not at all in lockstep for or against. Loud voices/squeaky wheels, etc.

That's [https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/] not [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state] accurate [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/].

Maybe I'm wrong on the federal support, but I do know that CA has a high debt, $778 billion at last glance, and is terribly expensive to live in. So I felt there had to be something going on behind the scenes keeping CA alfoat, possibly from breaks from the Fed, I could be wrong though. Still I don't want a handful of states dictating the fate of the country. Feels too close the elitism.

 

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: Calling me crazy because I disagree with you doesnt make me believe you. That you think someone finding issue with Trump is a sign of mental illness speaks more about your fanatic devotion to him than me being wrong.

When we started arguing, you got under my skin and I too was emotional. But once I realized that you were arguing based on no information, I actually calmed down and have been rather calm since then.

I continue to suggest you actually learn what Trump is doing, cause as it stands it seems you believe him just because he says so, and that is dangerous.

I didn't call you crazy, I said you should seek professional help. But it doesn't matter that I never called you crazy, you've been making stuff up from the start. And my "fanatic devotion"? Seriously? How many times have I said that I don't even care for him, I thought he was a joke. More proof that you'd rather pull nonsense from thin air than read my posts.


What I'm fanatic about is the way he's become a symbol of the far left's disgusting hypocrisy. Which you've only further convinced me of.

How can you accuse me of having nothing to stand on when I've given reasons for everything I've said and you haven't contributed anything but thinly veiled insults and platitudes about how oppressed you are?

I'm gonna make a prediction: You're going to reply with a triggered couple of paragraphs that have no basis in reality. I've been right the last dozen times, I'm starting to think I should charge for palm readings or something.

 

[Saelune]

@Ebola_chan: You called me delusional and unhealthy.

You say you do not care for him, yet you refuse to accept that he is anything but good. You arent even open to the idea of it.

How can I not call you a Trump supporter when you keep supporting him? It is the new "Im not racist but I dont like black people". "Im not a Trump supporter but I will only defend him".

I did not convince you of anything. You hate anyone left of you, call it the far left and call it a day. You may use me as an excuse, but it is a poor one. You choose your own views, atleast I hope so. Everyone should think for themselves instead of taking everything at face value.

 

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: You called me delusional and unhealthy.

You say you do not care for him, yet you refuse to accept that he is anything but good. You arent even open to the idea of it.

How can I not call you a Trump supporter when you keep supporting him? It is the new "Im not racist but I dont like black people". "Im not a Trump supporter but I will only defend him".

I did not convince you of anything. You hate anyone left of you, call it the far left and call it a day. You may use me as an excuse, but it is a poor one. You choose your own views, atleast I hope so. Everyone should think for themselves instead of taking everything at face value.

Basically this whole post.

 

[Saelune]

@Ebola_chan: "Basically this whole post" what?

 

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: "Basically this whole post" what?

Oh, I was just calling back to the time you responded to one of my walls of text with "This whole post pretty much."

This whole post pretty much.

Yea, that one. Why actually have something to say when you can just childishly point and roll your eyes, right? So instead of wasting my time again, I decided to speak a language you employed. Everything you've said has been so fabricated, so unsubstantiated that it would be funny if it weren't so... eugh.

And truth be told, I'm kind of beyond do with this, with listening to you lash out at phantoms of your own creation and slander me. I don't want to go back and forth with you. But if you want to keep prodding for a response, I'll keep obliging.

I'm gonna make a prediction: You're going to reply with a triggered couple of paragraphs that have no basis in reality. I've been right the last dozen times, I'm starting to think I should charge for palm readings or something.

Let's see if I was right.

@Ebola_chan: You called me delusional and unhealthy.

You say you do not care for him, yet you refuse to accept that he is anything but good. You arent even open to the idea of it.

How can I not call you a Trump supporter when you keep supporting him? It is the new "Im not racist but I dont like black people". "Im not a Trump supporter but I will only defend him".

I did not convince you of anything. You hate anyone left of you, call it the far left and call it a day. You may use me as an excuse, but it is a poor one. You choose your own views, atleast I hope so. Everyone should think for themselves instead of taking everything at face value.

Oh look, ten points for Gryffindor!

Let's unpack that, if you're so insistent. I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter, I just think it's pretty shady that he doesn't get held to the same standard as Obama, who apparently can do no wrong. I guess if wanting equality and discouraging a double-standard makes me a Trump supporter, well that's not very sound logic but whatever. It's almost as if the left hates him so much because he wasn't their candidate.

And likening me to a racist isn't very conducive to the victim card you're trying to play. But then that's kind of the first weapon of the left, someone disagree with you? Call them a racist! Doesn't matter if there's no basis in reality.

You accuse me of hating "anyone left of me" but you've been the one hurling hate from the word go. I don't hate anyone, and I'll be the first to point it out when Trump fucks up. Like when I said Trump fucked up when he made Mike Pence VP, and believe me, he dun fucked up bad with that one.

You seem to be under the impression that disagreeing with someone is tantamount to hating them. I don't hate you, I just think you're severely misguided, and looking for an easy target to blame for everything (Trump). I don't hate Zukhov, I think he made some pretty good points.


But you were right about one thing: You didn't convince me of anything. Well at least not what you were trying to. And I know this is a waste of my time because we've gone round and round and you've not contributed anything new with each post.

And honestly, I'm tired. I keep trying to wash my hands of this, the topic has been derailed enough (more than enough). So if you agree that there's nothing left to gain here, for either of us, would you please stop and leave me alone?

It might just be the first thing we agree on.

 

[Saelune]

@Ebola_chan: You can stop responding to me too. It need not be a war of attrition. As long as I have something to say, I will likely say it.

You asked a question, so I gave an answer hence the "Basically this whole post." There wasnt a clear question that you were using my post as an answer to though, so it doesnt do anything to throw it back in my face.

I am not slandering you. Slandering you would be if I suggested you had sex with things that people find morally wrong to have sex with, particularly if there was no evidence whatsoever of it.

Trump doesnt get held to the same standards as Obama, but in that Trump is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants, while Obama was stuck politely compromising on everything. In Obama's early term, the biggest "faults" of his was him showing respect to foreign leaders, and having a Muslim sounding name.

When Obama "did something wrong" it was considered his fault. When Trump does something wrong, it is considered "fake leftist news".

The left hates Trump because Trump is a bigot, and the left hates bigots.

I am saying that just because you say you are or are not something doesnt change the fact that you are acting like that thing you claim not to be.

People can say they are not racist, but if they do racist things, then they are racist. Just as people can say they do not support Trump but when they do things that support Trump, then perhaps they are actually a Trump supporter. Actions speak louder than words.

"first to point it out when Trump fucks up"? You missed that train decades ago. He has fucked up constantly. I dont see you calling -any- of them out.

If you agree that Pence is bad, then you should hate that Trump is pushing to enact Pence's law that will allow discrimination, particularly against LGBT people. Yet you claim Trump isnt anti-LGBT. Actions and words again.

People like telling me what I equate disagreeing to. No one who has done that has been right though. They switch the cause and effect. I disagree with Nazis, I disagree with bigots. I disagree that The Force Awakens is a good movie.

I dont think Force Awakens fans are bigots and Nazis though.

I am not coming to your house and arguing with you. I am not spamming your inbox with private messages of harsh words. If you want out, then feel free. I have no issue myself with continuing this though.

 

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: You can stop responding to me too. It need not be a war of attrition. As long as I have something to say, I will likely say it.

You asked a question, so I gave an answer hence the "Basically this whole post." There wasnt a clear question that you were using my post as an answer to though, so it doesnt do anything to throw it back in my face.

I am not slandering you. Slandering you would be if I suggested you had sex with things that people find morally wrong to have sex with, particularly if there was no evidence whatsoever of it.

Trump doesnt get held to the same standards as Obama, but in that Trump is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants, while Obama was stuck politely compromising on everything. In Obama's early term, the biggest "faults" of his was him showing respect to foreign leaders, and having a Muslim sounding name.

When Obama "did something wrong" it was considered his fault. When Trump does something wrong, it is considered "fake leftist news".

The left hates Trump because Trump is a bigot, and the left hates bigots.

I am saying that just because you say you are or are not something doesnt change the fact that you are acting like that thing you claim not to be.

People can say they are not racist, but if they do racist things, then they are racist. Just as people can say they do not support Trump but when they do things that support Trump, then perhaps they are actually a Trump supporter. Actions speak louder than words.

"first to point it out when Trump fucks up"? You missed that train decades ago. He has fucked up constantly. I dont see you calling -any- of them out.

If you agree that Pence is bad, then you should hate that Trump is pushing to enact Pence's law that will allow discrimination, particularly against LGBT people. Yet you claim Trump isnt anti-LGBT. Actions and words again.

People like telling me what I equate disagreeing to. No one who has done that has been right though. They switch the cause and effect. I disagree with Nazis, I disagree with bigots. I disagree that The Force Awakens is a good movie.

I dont think Force Awakens fans are bigots and Nazis though.

I am not coming to your house and arguing with you. I am not spamming your inbox with private messages of harsh words. If you want out, then feel free. I have no issue myself with continuing this though.

Let me re-phrase: I don't want to keep arguing you because you don't have a good argument. I'm not imposing on your freedom of speech, I'm pointing out that you have nothing worth saying, and certainly nothing you've backed up with facts. I didn't ask you a question, I made a series of points that you couldn't be arsed to rebuke, or more likely weren't able to. Posthumously trying to pretend saying "this" as anything but a childish dismissal is just disingenuous.

You act wounded when I suggest you may want to calm down but throw words like "Nazi" and "bigot" towards me hoing they'll stick. Yet another example of bias and the far left getting together like old friends. And believe it or not, suggesting I'm a racist is just a tad bit slanderous, especially since it's not true. And if actions speak louder than words, by all means, show me an example of me being racist.

Wanting better border controls doesn't make me a racist or a xenophobe, especially since I have perspective you lack, living in the state where literally every illegal from Mexico has to go through. The US has a right to secure borders, they don't owe it to you or to anyone else to keep allowing illegal immigrants to pour in. Not to mention he's enforcing a law that was already there. So no evidence then? Then maybe stop calling me a bigot/racist. Not to mention that calling names? It's just not very nice.

I abhor racism to, as well as homophobia (obviously). But despite that you feel the need to demonize me. I disagree with you therefore I have to be a bad guy.

In your mind 8 years of ruining the country is better than 2 weeks, based on what you've said. Sound logic there, but I guess you're entitled to your own opinion. And I missed that train years ago. I haven't been complaining about the things Obama did before he was president, but you want me to do that for Trump? It's almost as if you want me to hold them to 2 different standards. Almost like a double... standard

If you want to keep arguing, fine, I don't mind continuing. But out of consideration for everyone else I'd rather you PM me with your "arguments". Like I've said several times now, this thread has been cluttered enough.

Or don't. That's more than fine too.

EDIT: Oops, I missed a dash in there somewhere. That's better.

 

[Saelune]

@Ebola_chan: A private argument would be futile. The reason I keep continuing with you is so people can see our argument publicly. That is why I ever keep arguing with anyone despite no agreement ever being in reach.

Dont do racist things and maybe people wont think you're racist. Something Donald Trump doesnt understand.


As for Trump, I am saying that he is ruining the country really fast. If he can do so much bad in 2 weeks, then in 4 years what then?

I dont want to wait 4 years just to say "I told you so" when after 2 weeks I already can.

 

[Just Ebola]

@Ebola_chan: A private argument would be futile. The reason I keep continuing with you is so people can see our argument publicly. That is why I ever keep arguing with anyone despite no agreement ever being in reach.

Dont do racist things and maybe people wont think you're racist. Something Donald Trump doesnt understand.


As for Trump, I am saying that he is ruining the country really fast. If he can do so much bad in 2 weeks, then in 4 years what then?

I dont want to wait 4 years just to say "I told you so" when after 2 weeks I already can.

Fair enough, I guess that way everyone can see how much of a point you're not making. You can't provide a counter-point to anything so all you have left is "Trump is racist!". That little bit of popular rhetoric that the ignorant love to parrot.

A lot of people thought Obama was a lizard person with Illuminati ties. Does that make it true? No, same way with a loud minority saying Trump is racist. As far as the 2 weeks thing... at least you're being fair, I guess? And as much as you don't want to accept it, you do have to wait 4 years until he's out of office.

And that's fine, I have a bit too much consideration for other people than to continue this here, so that's your lot. I'm gonna fix a drink and continue looking forward to the next few years. Enjoy having your last word, I hope it's everything you wanted.

 

[Saelune]

Ebola_chan: "Sucks to be you" is hardly showing compassion.

Trump has pushed policies discriminating against Muslims, he wants to discriminate against Mexicans, and against LGBT people. A bigot is what a bigot does.

The difference for Obama and the lizard person theory versus Trump is a racist is that one of them has actual evidence. I will give you a hint, it is not the lizard one.

We dont have to just let Trump do what he wants those 4 years though. We can and must fight him on everything wrong he does. And in 2 years we must push for greater balance in Congress so actual checks and balances can be enacted again. When people are commanded by Trump and his laws to do injustice, we must say no and refuse.

And ofcourse we could always give Trump the honor of first President successfully impeached.

I want you to not find out the hard way that I am right.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

I like the direction the country is moving in, you don't.

I doubt you will when you learn that you can once again be treated like a second class citizen by businesses and have no legal recourse.

You never answered my question, by the by; if they have the law on their side, exactly how are you going to "confront" them? What can you actually do?

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

I abhor racism to, as well as homophobia (obviously).

So why do you want businesses to be able to engage in legally supported anti-gay bigotry (I HATE the word homophobia, it's quite inaccurate)?