New Vegas: Enclave What Now?

[Calbeck]

Touche.

*tosses off a salute* Grazi.

But then again, the Los Angeles vault was not a vault in the normal sense. It was a demonstration, and had no Enclave connections.

Well, except for the Enclave being the guiding hand behind "Project Safehouse", which set up the Vault network in the first place, not to mention the junk-bond scam needed to finance them. The LA Vault merely wasn't part of the social-experiment program.

Floating Eyes were also used in Van Buren's Tibbets Prison Facility

Haring off into non-canon here, though I get it that the lore behind Van Buren was certainly considered canon by its developers. But even here, Tibbets was tied into "Project Safehouse" by the government in conjunction with both Vault-Tec and Poseidon Oil...the latter of which very definitely had Enclave ties.

Floating Eyes are not all Enclave, and Eyebots are not all Enclave.

Bringing things back onto the original point, I don't recall I said so. What I did say was that we see an Enclave Eyebot in the opening of the trailer...and it is. It's from the D.C. area if the bumper sticker is to be believed, it's the same basic model, and no one else in or around D.C. used the things at all.

Thanks, though, for bringing up the point about Mr. Sawyer saying the Enclave would NOT be in New Vegas. Mind if I get a link to his release? I can't find it.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Well, except for the Enclave being the guiding hand behind "Project Safehouse", which set up the Vault network in the first place, not to mention the junk-bond scam needed to finance them. The LA Vault merely wasn't part of the social-experiment program.

Sure, they financed it. Just like they financed the demo vault in DC's Museum of Technology. It wasn't a real vault, so it shouldn't have been equipped.

Haring off into non-canon here, though I get it that the lore behind Van Buren was certainly considered canon by its developers. But even here, Tibbets was tied into "Project Safehouse" by the government in conjunction with both Vault-Tec and Poseidon Oil...the latter of which very definitely had Enclave ties.

Yes, it was. But Poseidon wanted nothing to do with Greenway Hydroponics, which designed the AI running the place. The Department of Defense financed their new military prison, not Poseidon. The Department of Defense was a separate organization to the Enclave, and they fought each other over the contract to make HERMES combat armor. Why would the Enclave give the DoD their own robots? If the floating eyes weren't Enclave-issue, then it would make sense for the DoD to have them.

Bringing things back onto the original point, I don't recall I said so. What I did say was that we see an Enclave Eyebot in the opening of the trailer...and it is. It's from the D.C. area if the bumper sticker is to be believed, it's the same basic model, and no one else in or around D.C. used the things at all.

Thanks, though, for bringing up the point about Mr. Sawyer saying the Enclave would NOT be in New Vegas. Mind if I get a link to his release? I can't find it.

I had gone back into the depths of news logs on Vault wiki to get the link for you, and then the Escapist has an interview with Larry Liberty. And he says that the Eyebot is Enclave in origin. So, it doesn't matter.

I hate Larry Liberty's guts now, though. All that arguing for nothing. >:[

 

[Calbeck]

Sure, they financed it. Just like they financed the demo vault in DC's Museum of Technology. It wasn't a real vault, so it shouldn't have been equipped.

Ah, there's "demo" and there's "demo". The MoT version was pretty obviously just for public consumption, more of an advertisement piece than anything else. But the L.A. version was very clearly meant to demonstrate the actual technology to the government and investors. As such, it had to be a working model...but just as obviously would have been pretty bare-bones about it.

But Poseidon wanted nothing to do with Greenway Hydroponics, which designed the AI running the place. The Department of Defense financed their new military prison, not Poseidon.

I'm pulling my data from the FO Wiki timeline. It says Poseidon was on board. And since I've never heard of Greenway, I have to assume they're also part of the non-canon (until it's canon) Van Buren project. So this is just continuing the derailment, here.

The Department of Defense was a separate organization to the Enclave, and they fought each other over the contract to make HERMES combat armor.

Remember, the Enclave were purely an off-the-charts outfit, and their entire schtick was that they were engaged in influence games throughout the US government and military-industrial complex. Essentially, they're the guys Eisenhower warned us about. -

So it makes sense they would be involved in tussles over military contracts, especially if those contracts were otherwise slated for companies with few or no actual Enclave ties. Yet that wouldn't mean they were in any way inimical to the DoD itself.

I had gone back into the depths of news logs on Vault wiki to get the link for you, and then the Escapist has an interview with Larry Liberty. And he says that the Eyebot is Enclave in origin. So, it doesn't matter.

I hate Larry Liberty's guts now, though. All that arguing for nothing. >:[

Well, so far as I'm concerned you get a gold star for going to the sources for facts in the first place. We may disagree on points, but it's refreshing to talk to someone who actually knows something about what he's talking about. -

 

[Calbeck]

DC and cali bos hate each other.... and the cali BOS is most likely dead.

Don't forget the Outcasts. Assuming they never reconciled with Lyons, they still consider their mission to be "collect tech and (eventually) report back". If any BoS in D.C. would send a messenger eyebot, they would.

 

[Calbeck]

DC and cali bos hate each other.... and the cali BOS is most likely dead.

Don't forget the Outcasts. Assuming they never reconciled with Lyons, they still consider their mission to be "collect tech and (eventually) report back". If any BoS in D.C. would send a messenger eyebot, they would.

they wouldn't send an eyebot because those things get their asses kicked more than criminals against chuck norris.

Hah, point...but then again, it may have been all they could manage. They were never that big themselves. If they thought they needed to stay in the D.C. area --- maybe to keep looking for the alien tech they were so happy to trade for --- then sending an expendable messenger might have been necessary to deal with internal discord at not pulling out themselves.

 

[TheSentinel]

I'm just wondering why you guys have been arguing for 6 pages even though the Enclave are confirmed not to be in the game.

Seriously, why?

 

[Calbeck]

I'm just wondering why you guys have been arguing for 6 pages even though the Enclave are confirmed not to be in the game.

Seriously, why?

Actually, as noted recently, it's been confirmed that the Eyebot in the trailer IS Enclave and DOES show up in the game.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/e3-2010/1823-Fallout-New-Vegas

Whether that means the Enclave itself will be present in the game in any numbers or what they would be doing in Vegas is purely up for speculation...you know, like most gaming threads are about speculation.

 

[brodie21]

it could be a leftover eyebot from dc that wandered way far out and was repurposed by someone, i mean, after you blow up eden, they still float around. and new vegas is supposed to be several years later, so it is feasable. and it didnt specify whether the eyebots were used only in the capital wasteland.

 

[Misterian]

the president and the encalve base are only gone if u blew them up i personaly didnt i joined them

In the events of Broken Steel, it's revealed that Liberty Prime destroyed the Enclave headquarters at Raven Rock while you were unconscious.

that's if you didn't destroy it yourself, but either way, doesn't make much difference from where the Enclave are sitting.

As for them being in New Vegas, somehow, I think with the Brotherhood of Steel now playing a secondary role, that any elements from The Enclave would be minor at best.

as for the Eyebot in the trailer, since it's playing a different tone than the FO3 Enclave radio, I think someone else is behind it.

 

[Break]

I'm just wondering why you guys have been arguing for 6 pages even though the Enclave are confirmed not to be in the game.

Seriously, why?

40% of this entire thread has been people saying "But maybe some remnant faction of the Enclave will show up". And 30% of the thread has been Nitpicker valiantly attempting to respond to every single one of those comments with a "No, that's really not going to happen". I'm guessing it's because Fallout 3 has given people the impression that the Enclave are the Daleks of the Fallout franchise, or something.
And people really hate to read threads before they comment, so just saying it once is evidently not enough.

The rest seems to be discussion about whether or not Eyebots = Enclave, with the occasional detour through the sunny hills of Who The Hell Are These Enclave People Anyway.

So six pages seems like a surprisingly subdued conversation, all things considered. Apparently it's not as easy to incite Fallout fans into white-hot rage as other fandoms. Or maybe there aren't enough of them at the "crazed fanboy" level around here, who knows.

 

[Eggsnham]

'Tis a gag. And there probably will be Enclave.

 

[PurePareidolia]

I was under the impression the developers already said there was no one specifically bad faction and you could align yourself with any of the four major players.
That would seem to rule out the Enclave.

Also, That Eyebot has clearly been modified from the original design. Even ignoring the bumper stickers, Try shooting one in Fallout 3 twice with a sniper rifle and see if it can still fly.

 

[Calbeck]

it could be a leftover eyebot from dc that wandered way far out and was repurposed by someone, i mean, after you blow up eden, they still float around. and new vegas is supposed to be several years later, so it is feasable. and it didnt specify whether the eyebots were used only in the capital wasteland.

All good points, and entirely reasonable. Could be this one 'bot is the last vestige of the Enclave, period. Thing is, very little of FO lore is actually written in stone...we don't actually know if the West Coast BoS is dead, or if the Enclave is dead, or if the Outcasts are still in D.C., or or or...and yet, there's a strong current of insistence that the Enclave are absolutely, completely, totally dead.

Me, I think it's because folks are sick of the Enclave at this point and just want something new. That's a good point too. In fact, one of the things I like about New Vegas is that this time around you won't be playing a Vault Dweller at all.

Change is good. -

PurePare: Well, it's obvious that someone had to put the stickers and license plate on it, the latter having apparently been riveted on. So a modded version isn't unlikely, which flips it up into the air as to who actually sent it on its merry way. Though I'd note that it's not necessarily a sniper rifle that pings it; could have been a hunting rifle. I'd have to go back into FO3 to do a sound comparison.

 

[Choppaduel]

You really think the Enclave can survive it's president being murdered twice, bases in D.C and California being destroyed?

Naaa I think it's gonna be more about Super Mutants.

IT SHOULD BE!! *channeling Phil Ken Sebben*

 

[Calbeck]

If the Cali BOS is alive, the DC one would probably send word and send it something like this: "So, we've got DC under control, have the Pentagon/Citadel, de-irradiated the entire Potomac, have the super mutant population under control (AN: This is 2 years later, remember), and have some badass kid who slaughters Enclave (did we mention they were here and we kicked their asses?), super mutants, raiders and just about anything else without even trying working for us. So, how are you doing?"

Oh, and end up with Lyons voted into the ranks of the Elders. Wouldn't THAT put a twist in the Outcasts' collective tail...