New Vegas: Enclave What Now?

[Internet Kraken]

The Enclave should have disappeared after the end of Fallout 2, their leader was dead, their base in ruins, most of their troops dead, etc.

But no... Bethesda had to bring them back for Fallout 3... Made absolutely no sense, much like the Super Mutants, but they had to...

How did Super Mutants and the Enclave not make sense in Fallout 3? From what I remember there was a reasonable explanation for both, or at least nothing to indicate that it didn't make sense.

Supermutatns are the result of humans being exposed to the Forced Evolutionary Virus. All the DC area super mutants are the result of a vault project (I forget the name - its' where you find Fawkes and the GECK).

This doesn't make sense simply because the FEV research was far from completed before the great war (and was apparently relegated to a hidden research facility in California) - thus why would it have been deployed to a vault for research purposes? Indeed, the main bad guy in Fallout 1 was simply the Master trying to perfect the FEV and create an army of mutants for no other reason save the fact that they were exceptionally well suited to surviving in the wastes.

Because they were trying to perfect FEV research. Simple as that.

with a CIVILIAN company? FEV was highly secret and the government would NEVER put it with civilians. besides it was west tek who handled all the FEV research. FEV with vault tek is like mcdonalds serving the whopper.

It wasn't with a civilian company, it was with Vault Tech. Since Vault Tech was a puppet organization of the Enclave, I don't see how it is unusual for any of their vaults, regardless of location, to be preforming FEV research.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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It wasn't with a civilian company, it was with Vault Tech. Since Vault Tech was a puppet organization of the Enclave, I don't see how it is unusual for any of their vaults, regardless of location, to be preforming FEV research.

I'm sorry to butt in man but I get the feeling he's just trying to pick a row. Been stubbornly stonewalling a couple of my posts too.

 

[Stone Wera]

Bring a new group to the table already, Bethesda. The Enclave shouldn't have been in Fallout 3, and they shouldn't be in New Vegas! It was a total lack of originality on Bethesda's part.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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It wasn't with a civilian company, it was with Vault Tech. Since Vault Tech was a puppet organization of the Enclave, I don't see how it is unusual for any of their vaults, regardless of location, to be preforming FEV research.

I'm sorry to butt in man but I get the feeling he's just trying to pick a row. Been stubbornly stonewalling a couple of my posts too.[/quote}

stonewalling? this isn't congress. if it was dick cheney would be savagely beating me right now or staring at me from across the room with a creeppy smile and a double barrel shotgun.

Ok then...

Correct me if I'm wrong... but it does seem a little to me as if you tend to lean towards the 'old Fallout' purism that tends to rub out the events of Fallout 3 and dismiss them as irrelevant due to a preference for the first two games?

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

It wasn't with a civilian company, it was with Vault Tech. Since Vault Tech was a puppet organization of the Enclave, I don't see how it is unusual for any of their vaults, regardless of location, to be preforming FEV research.

Vault Tec was not in researching FEV, though, it was researching how the people could withstand the post-nuclear world. They screwed about with FEV, but didn't actually research it.

the cure was not a secret, but FEV was. they accidentally found a weapon which they began to research. PVP and FEV are two different things. frank horrigan DOES talk to the player beyond combat dialogue. the enclave DID exist, and orchestrated the entire thing. the enclave was the shadow government that people didn't know existed.

FEV was never secret. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/QCFRANK.MSG <-- Frank Horrigan has no dialogue beyond combat. You are making shit up at this point.

 

[Internet Kraken]

It wasn't with a civilian company, it was with Vault Tech. Since Vault Tech was a puppet organization of the Enclave, I don't see how it is unusual for any of their vaults, regardless of location, to be preforming FEV research.

Vault Tec was not in researching FEV, though, it was researching how the people could withstand the post-nuclear world. They screwed about with FEV, but didn't actually research it.

Well, that's kind of what I meant. I was just trying to explain why it made sense for Vault Tech to have FEV.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Well, that's kind of what I meant. I was just trying to explain why it made sense for Vault Tech to have FEV.

Just like how it makes sense for them to have a crate full of puppets and a bunch of panthers.

 

[Angus565]

I'm thinking that maybe since the eyebot is all banged up and has all that stuff stuck to it that maybe the Enclave have disbanded and that there will be like camps of them in some area's but they won't have as much equipment and their power armor and weapons will be in poorer condition.

 

[kidigus]

The eyebot wasn't playing any music or radio chat. So it may have just been wandering; looking for the Enclave signal.

Idk.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

nope. i didnt make shit up when i said there were no other bases of the asshole enclave. maybe i picked the wrong character but i KNOW that somewhere on that rig they said no other base existed beyond nevarro. unless the patch i installed that adds cut content added it.

Here; http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/GSTERM.MSG has the four other known Enclave locations. Ctrl + F for line 350. You are indeed making shit up, killap's Restoration mod makes no changes to existing dialogue.

I'm thinking that maybe since the eyebot is all banged up and has all that stuff stuck to it that maybe the Enclave have disbanded and that there will be like camps of them in some area's but they won't have as much equipment and their power armor and weapons will be in poorer condition.

Again, no. The Enclave will not appear.

The eyebot wasn't playing any music or radio chat. So it may have just been wandering; looking for the Enclave signal.

Idk.

Huh? It was playing Jingle Jangle Jingle by Kay Kyser.

 

[zehydra]

Doesn't look Enclave to me, the Enclave don't personalise their stuff.

not exactly hard to slap a sticker on a bypassing eyebot ^^

True, but why doesn't the eyebot play American style patriotic songs instead?.

we have no real info on the politics behind the enclave now that the president has been "killed" again
but yeah it could be a reprogrammed one too

i don't really know the mechanics of the thing either, is it just a flying radio? cause that would be pretty useless to have flying around if not for propaganda

Actually a reprogrammed one would make sense, since it has already been shown that the wasteland survivors are VERY able to make use of what's around them.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Actually a reprogrammed one would make sense, since it has already been shown that the wasteland survivors are VERY able to make use of what's around them.

It wouldn't even have to have been reprogrammed. NCR has proven that they can build robots; Toto the Brainbot is the assistant engineer for the NCR Capital city.

 

[Calbeck]

If you had played Fallout or Fallout 2, you'd know that the Eyebot is a pre-war model that is NOT Enclave in origin. Places like the Los Angles Vault under the Master's control, or the sealed Sierra Army Depot have stacks of floating eyes just sitting around.

Yeah, played both. And thus I know that the Enclave was directly involved in the Vault program, being the pre-war US shadow government with the Executive Branch's direct involvement. Gee, Eyebots in Vaults and military depots which were at one point under their direct control? How'd that happen?

You'd have to have missed a fair bit of FO2 not to have picked up on that...such as the PoseidoNet Stations reference, which included "Enclave Vault-Research Control". Or the simple fact that they were able to open Vaults by simply sending their surviving Overseers the proper all-clear codes.

The enclave and the US government retreated to Poseidon oil rig of the coast of california-Destroyed.

And yet, both Colonel Autumn and his father lived on the Oil Rig. Kind of obvious that if there was at least one survivor, there were likely others. The Rig also blew up over 30 years before Fallout 3 starts; plenty of time to re-start their breeding program and raise at least one new generation.

Their backup in dc

Actually the only mention of this in lore is the FO3 Strategy Guide's mention that Autumn was ordered to relocate "all high-ranking officials" to Raven Rock. Raven Rock, for its part, is listed as "the only other secure Enclave location with a functioning ZAX super-computer".

Yet even after losing Raven Rock, they still had Adams Air Force Base...because Autumn's bunch had had 30 years to expand outwards. What do you think the Enclave's been doing at those of its secure locations which DON'T have a ZAX?

son of the dead enclave general autumn, col autumn.

Uh, no. Autumn's dad wasn't a general, he was an Enclave scientist. There's only one mention of him in all of Fallout lore (the Census section of the Fallout 3 Strategy Guide).
Plus, if "Colonel" Autumn were the highest-ranking officer left in the Enclave, he'd be "General" Autumn.

Their leaders are all dead.

Funny thing about a psuedo-democracy: when a leader dies, they get replaced.

Their plan to use a giant space ship and the bomb satellites-abandoned-non canon from fallout van buren
Non canon vault 0 in cheyenne mountain complex destroyed in fallout brotherhood of steel
Not many places left for the enclave

...why are you quoting non-canon stuff in arguing against what may be in the next game? Yes, the guys who worked on Van Buren are working on New Vegas --- but until we see some confirmation that Van Buren material is now canon, it still ain't.

Also, vault tec was only responsible for the super mutants on the east coast. Those on the west coast out of mariposa were from the fev that was developed by the military in partnership with west-tek

The FEV program was strictly under the control of the military, which had taken it out of West Tek's hands before the bombs fell. West Tek's studies were strictly along the lines of animal testing. Don't forget that all of these --- the military, West Tek, and Vault Tech --- operated under the Enclave's umbrella.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Yeah, played both. And thus I know that the Enclave was directly involved in the Vault program, being the pre-war US shadow government with the Executive Branch's direct involvement. Gee, Eyebots in Vaults and military depots which were at one point under their direct control? How'd that happen?

You'd have to have missed a fair bit of FO2 not to have picked up on that...such as the PoseidoNet Stations reference, which included "Enclave Vault-Research Control". Or the simple fact that they were able to open Vaults by simply sending their surviving Overseers the proper all-clear codes.

Touche.

But then again, the Los Angeles vault was not a vault in the normal sense. It was a demonstration, and had no Enclave connections. It was also not equipped with the usual 5mm miniguns linked into the Overseer's chair for safety purposes; the Master hardwired two gatling lasers to it.

Floating Eyes were also used in Van Buren's Tibbets Prison Facility, which also had zero Enclave connections. The AI in charge, ODYSSEUS, was a product of Derek Greenway's mind, and Greenway was the biggest thorn in Poseidon Energy's side. They provided him no support in building or staffing the facility, instead letting the Department of Defense take over the funding. Floating Eyes are not all Enclave, and Eyebots are not all Enclave.