New Vegas: Enclave What Now?

[Mr. Grey]

I should. Next time I have some extra cash I'll try and get that 1, 2 and Tactics bundle thingy.

They're all actually on Good Old Games, if you want to shell out a little more for a little less. Tactics is fun, but not all that good with story. (There's a lot of poop jokes. It's not funny.)

Yes, but that little more is a lot more when you're a flat broke bastard such as myself haha

Just six bucks each, DRM Free, and fully upgraded to the latest official patch. Plus in the community section they sticky where you can find mods to improve the game, such as unofficial patches and restoration patches that restore lost content that were very close to completion but got axed.

Compared to what the bundle is worth, you're saving money. So yeah, I'd recommend Good Old Games over the bundle.

Oh cool. I've never used GOG, but I heard somewhere it's bad for some reason or other.

I can't think of why... they offer great deals and are doing everything they can to collect good old games. I've installed all of my games without any problems, they even have a downloader for the big ones that require two parts that works just fine. They make sure all games are compatible to the latest Windows. They give you manuals on every game, sometimes walkthroughs and I think always a soundtrack. And the prices are the same worldwide.

They even have a place where you can submit games you'd like to see and vote for ones that have already been submitted.

And those guys at CD Projekt - the ones behind the Witcher and released an completely revamped and updated version for free to those that purchased the earlier one and say DRM just doesn't work - are the guys that created Good Old Games.

I don't mean to come off as a fanboy, but damn it... these guys do a great service.

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I should probably stop this de-railment now before I get carried away as I always do...

So yeah, how about that New Vegas? I hear the Enclave are not going to show up at all... and stuff.

 

[cornmancer]

I can't think of why... they offer great deals and are doing everything they can to collect good old games. I've installed all of my games without any problems, they even have a downloader for the big ones that require two parts that works just fine. They make sure all games are compatible to the latest Windows. They give you manuals on every game, sometimes walkthroughs and I think always a soundtrack. And the prices are the same worldwide.

They even have a place where you can submit games you'd like to see and vote for ones that have already been submitted.

And those guys at CD Projekt - the ones behind the Witcher and released an completely revamped and updated version for free to those that purchased the earlier one and say DRM just doesn't work - are the guys that created Good Old Games.

I don't mean to come off as a fanboy, but damn it... these guys do a great service.

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I should probably stop this de-railment now before I get carried away as I always do...

So yeah, how about that New Vegas? I hear the Enclave are not going to show up at all... and stuff.

So we'll just assume my friend is a retard and move on haha. And yeah it doesn't matter to me whether or not the Enclave show up, I'm looking forward to the game.

 

[Surreysmith]

in the trailer did anyone else spot bonnie and clydes buttet riddled car.

 

[Safe in the Dark]

In F:NV,Let me put on Enclave power armor,enslave a village of tattered sub-humans and ride in a Veribird and I'll be happy,My least favorite part of 3 and 2 was that you could never join the enclave,I hope you have the option in NV to at least some extent.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

I personally think and hope the enclave won't take any part in New Vegas. There has been nothing to suggest it apart from what I consider a little nod to Fallout 3 rather than anything meaningful. It's also a sort of metaphor for Fallout moving from DC to New Vegas.

Plus do we actually know if the Enclave Eyebot is actually an Enclave designed robot? They could have just found a stock pile, or maybe the plans to build/fix them. This robot is playing a local radio station, it's probably a locally made and tuned device.

 

[Internet Kraken]

The Enclave should have disappeared after the end of Fallout 2, their leader was dead, their base in ruins, most of their troops dead, etc.

But no... Bethesda had to bring them back for Fallout 3... Made absolutely no sense, much like the Super Mutants, but they had to...

How did Super Mutants and the Enclave not make sense in Fallout 3? From what I remember there was a reasonable explanation for both, or at least nothing to indicate that it didn't make sense.

Supermutatns are the result of humans being exposed to the Forced Evolutionary Virus. All the DC area super mutants are the result of a vault project (I forget the name - its' where you find Fawkes and the GECK).

This doesn't make sense simply because the FEV research was far from completed before the great war (and was apparently relegated to a hidden research facility in California) - thus why would it have been deployed to a vault for research purposes? Indeed, the main bad guy in Fallout 1 was simply the Master trying to perfect the FEV and create an army of mutants for no other reason save the fact that they were exceptionally well suited to surviving in the wastes.

Because they were trying to perfect FEV research. Simple as that.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

The research on FEV (which as the Pan-virion immunity project for quite a while!) was moved to Mariposa out of fear of West-Tek being a private company. The entire mutant business was just the Master getting lucky. If nukes fell, the New Plague would have ceased to exist, and FEV wouldn't have been needed.

Only, such a thing as a Pan-Immunity Virus is top stuff no matter which way you turn it. Besides, the PVP branched out into the FEV in 2076 as a military research project moved to Mariposa because it showed promise in genetically enhancing people. This means that it happened a full year before the bombs dropped, which is enough time for the government to go "We need a vault for this research in case things go hairy, NOW!"

Richard Grey discovers that dipping someone in (the Mariposa) FEV turns them into West Coast Super Mutants, so it isn't a stretch to assume that Vault 87 had a different research history with FEV and that their modification of the virus resulted in the East Coast Super Mutant. Thus, the EC and WC SMs look different and behave differently because it is two slightly different versions of FEV. As far as I am concerned, not only is this possible, but even rather believable considering the rest of the Fallout world.

Frank was the highest ranking Enclave soldier in all of history, actually. I mean, just look at him. You really think that someone can order such a beast of a man around?

Apparently they do. As you say yourself, he's a soldier. Not only that, but he is a genetically engineered, politically indoctrinated and brainwashed soldier. He might be the physical representation of the Enclaves power, but he is only a soldier. Why would the President or High Ranking Officers give him any information besides what he needs to know? He is already loyal to the death, there's no need to appease him or strike bargains with him.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Or instead of the Enclave being a major role, it's just a reference or a cameo. :/

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

In F:NV,Let me put on Enclave power armor,enslave a village of tattered sub-humans and ride in a Veribird and I'll be happy,My least favorite part of 3 and 2 was that you could never join the enclave,I hope you have the option in NV to at least some extent.

The Enclave would never allow a mouth-breathing mutant from the wastes to join their ranks. It's what makes them evil.

Only, such a thing as a Pan-Immunity Virus is top stuff no matter which way you turn it. Besides, the PVP branched out into the FEV in 2076 as a military research project moved to Mariposa because it showed promise in genetically enhancing people. This means that it happened a full year before the bombs dropped, which is enough time for the government to go "We need a vault for this research in case things go hairy, NOW!"

Richard Grey discovers that dipping someone in (the Mariposa) FEV turns them into West Coast Super Mutants, so it isn't a stretch to assume that Vault 87 had a different research history with FEV and that their modification of the virus resulted in the East Coast Super Mutant. Thus, the EC and WC SMs look different and behave differently because it is two slightly different versions of FEV. As far as I am concerned, not only is this possible, but even rather believable considering the rest of the Fallout world.

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Apparently they do. As you say yourself, he's a soldier. Not only that, but he is a genetically engineered, politically indoctrinated and brainwashed soldier. He might be the physical representation of the Enclaves power, but he is only a soldier. Why would the President or High Ranking Officers give him any information besides what he needs to know? He is already loyal to the death, there's no need to appease him or strike bargains with him.

Vaults were never research centers for anything; they were all experiments. Vault 87 was an experiment into testing the reaction of residents to supersoldiers, not into actually making supersoldiers.

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Because Horrigan is not just a soldier. He's a member of the Secret Service. He would need to know all available Enclave locations if he needed to get the President and Vice President out of a dangerous situation.

 

[Mr. Grey]

Because Horrigan is not just a soldier. He's a member of the Secret Service. He would need to know all available Enclave locations if he needed to get the President and Vice President out of a dangerous situation.

Spoiler: This guy?

Wouldn't he crush the President and/or Vice President, either by accident or because they forgot to give him his treat?

Played by Arnold Schwarzenegger...
"Come on Mr. President! We've got to get you out of here!" Grabs the President by the waist.

Played by Christopher Walken...
"No you fool! You're -- AUUUGH! My spine! RrrrreAAAAAAGHheeuuuuh...! *weak cough of blood*"

"Mr. President?! Mr. President!? NooooOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Arnold Schwarzenegger is... Frank Horrigan in... Fallout Diaries: The Story of Frank Horrigan. Only on Lifetime.
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... well, would he do that by accident or did they have a fail-safe to keep him at the distance of twenty feet at all time?

'Cause he is pumped up on drugs... there has to be some form of adverse reaction there, like overreaction through adrenaline rush which led to the President's spine being crushed and snapped in half.

[sub]This is a semi-serious query as I am quite curious as to how they kept him from overreacting and causing such a mess. I still wanted to do that bit though.[/sub]

 

[imaloony]

I noticed the bumper sticker too.

Expect the Enclave to make a guest appearance. I believe they've been in every Fallout game to date (Although I've only played 3, so I wouldn't know )

 

[Kanodin0]

I noticed the bumper sticker too.

Expect the Enclave to make a guest appearance. I believe they've been in every Fallout game to date (Although I've only played 3, so I wouldn't know )

A common mistake, however they are not in Fallout 1 at all.

 

[Safe in the Dark]

Well theres the shards of uncommon midwest enclave they aren't evil or at least not entirely,and theres always modding,it may not be canon but hell if it ain't fun,The enclave commander mod from Fallout 3 was fun for messing around.

 

[The Fork of Truth]

I think it is an Enclave eyebot, but one that's been reprogrammed by the New Vegas people to serve as a mobile radio for advertising and entertainment purposes, hence why it's playing Jingle Jangle Jingle rather than totalitarian propaganda.

 

[Yureina]

I heard the Enclave was not going to be involved with New Vegas. I think the real villains here will be something that you find within New Vegas itself.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

poseidonet is ancient. the enclave existed way before the great war so the computer could very well be obsolete giving ancient and out of date information.

The Enclave did not exist before the Great War. They arose from the shadows they were hiding in after the President was on the Oil Rig. The PoseidoNet is like the Internet. It can be edited remotely.

frank would have no reason to lie. he has no reason to protect the other bases since the only important one is the oil rig.

Frank never said anything. He only has combat dialogue with the player.

with a CIVILIAN company? FEV was highly secret and the government would NEVER put it with civilians. besides it was west tek who handled all the FEV research. FEV with vault tek is like mcdonalds serving the whopper.

FEV was not secret; it was a cure to the New Plague. West-Tek cracked the nut that was the Plague before the government did, because West-Tek had all sorts of private funding to go with the government funding. Private companies also produced power armor and the R91 combat rifle seen in Fallout 3. The government had no real power beyond nuclear strikes.