New Vegas: Enclave What Now?

[cornmancer]

I should. Next time I have some extra cash I'll try and get that 1, 2 and Tactics bundle thingy.

They're all actually on Good Old Games, if you want to shell out a little more for a little less. Tactics is fun, but not all that good with story. (There's a lot of poop jokes. It's not funny.)

Yes, but that little more is a lot more when you're a flat broke bastard such as myself haha

 

[Venatio]

Hoooly moley, you never played the old games, did you?

Firstly, like I've said throughout the thread, the Enclave all went East. If there are any left on the West coast, they aren't the military type.

Second, the FEV inside of Mariposa is crazy diluted. It can barely make the second generation super mutants and Deathclaws, let alone a Second Master.

Well yes, I haven't played the old games. I have skimmed the lore on the wikis so I know alot though.

Now as for Mariposa it's very important to the Fallout Universe: The birthplace of the Brotherhood of Steel, the origination of the dreaded Master and his army of Super Mutants and the recipe for one of the Enclaves most dangerous plots. It's always possible they could come up with a reason to go back, a secret room or something that holds a great danger.

But that was only a hunch, it wouldn't be logical to include the actual Mariposa Base in the New Vegas game. The distance between the two locations must be enormous. Then again, we traveled 500 Kilometers to get to the Pit from the Capital Wastes.

But I still dont think the Enclave are going to be a threat, atleast for a change of pace I hope not. They might have left hidden civilian centers, where they kept scientists, politicians and families and a compliment of soldiers to guard them but I can't imagine much coming out of that unless the creators make stuff up... or add cloning.

So it's got to be House - he definetely sounds ominous enough. Or perhaps there really is no overarching threat: just warefare and the agenda's of powerful people.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The Enclave should have disappeared after the end of Fallout 2, their leader was dead, their base in ruins, most of their troops dead, etc.

But no... Bethesda had to bring them back for Fallout 3... Made absolutely no sense, much like the Super Mutants, but they had to...

How did Super Mutants and the Enclave not make sense in Fallout 3? From what I remember there was a reasonable explanation for both, or at least nothing to indicate that it didn't make sense.

Supermutatns are the result of humans being exposed to the Forced Evolutionary Virus. All the DC area super mutants are the result of a vault project (I forget the name - its' where you find Fawkes and the GECK).

This doesn't make sense simply because the FEV research was far from completed before the great war (and was apparently relegated to a hidden research facility in California) - thus why would it have been deployed to a vault for research purposes? Indeed, the main bad guy in Fallout 1 was simply the Master trying to perfect the FEV and create an army of mutants for no other reason save the fact that they were exceptionally well suited to surviving in the wastes.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

It is the Fallout tradition to introduce the main antagonist halfway through the game, so yeah it's likely the Enclave will be featured.

Don't forget about the New California Republic.

They get introduced fairly early, according to a hands-on in 360 Magazine.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

the enclave are not everywhere. the ONLY enclave bases are nevarro (an enclave gas station for vertibirds with about 20 people staffing it) and the oil rig. the oil rig is gone and nevarro's staff was already low on morale so the enclave was officially dead since FO2.

There was also Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base, who's to say there aren't other unknown bases?

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Supermutatns are the result of humans being exposed to the Forced Evolutionary Virus. All the DC area super mutants are the result of a vault project (I forget the name - its' where you find Fawkes and the GECK).

This doesn't make sense simply because the FEV research was far from completed before the great war (and was apparently relegated to a hidden research facility in California) - thus why would it have been deployed to a vault for research purposes? Indeed, the main bad guy in Fallout 1 was simply the Master trying to perfect the FEV and create an army of mutants for no other reason save the fact that they were exceptionally well suited to surviving in the wastes.

There are several options that would make it make sense, really. First off all, the Mariposa Military Base was, as the name implies, a military installation. So perhaps Vault 87 was created so that the Government/Enclave could continue their research in case the bombs fell and the grid went black? Fallout 1 makes it pretty clear that once the soldiers and scientists in Mariposa realized they've just lived through the end of the world, the research stopped (Through killing of the scientists mostly, if I recall correctly). If the Government/Enclave saw that coming (or just realizing they wouldn't be able to contact Mariposa after the bombs fell), it would make for them to create a contingency plan so that they could finish their FEV-research. What better place then a vault then? A thousand or so test subjects and you have all the access codes needed to just come in and snatch the research once it progressed sufficiently.

The above is probably the one I find most plausible, but there are others. Perhaps Vault-Tec was actually kind of akin to its' FOBOS-version (And now, we forget I ever mentioned that game)? With such great ties into the government that they were tasked with creating a vauly specifically to continue testing with FEV?

 

[Composer]

the enclave are not everywhere. the ONLY enclave bases are nevarro (an enclave gas station for vertibirds with about 20 people staffing it) and the oil rig. the oil rig is gone and nevarro's staff was already low on morale so the enclave was officially dead since FO2.

There was also Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base, who's to say there aren't other unknown bases?

i think hes denying fallout3
(i may be wrong though)

 

[Ava Elzbieta]

It completely blew past me until my roomie pointed it out...the new F:NV trailer opens on an Enclave Eyebot sailing down the highway, with a bumper sticker which reads "My Child is an Honor Student at Roosevelt Academy".

Roosevelt Academy's part of the D.C. Wasteland, this is three years after FO3's events, and with the destruction of their main D.C.-area bases, it makes sense that the Enclave's East-Coast remnants would want to regroup with whatever part is still out West. And with Vegas being the last significant city on the continent...yet, not a scrap of info on the Enclave being in the game seems to exist, aside from that Eyebot appearance.

I consider that it MIGHT just be something cute thrown in as a gag, but you never can tell...so, thoughts?

Interesting point. Moreover, I was taken by the eyebots broadcasting 40s hits instead of political jingoism.

 

[Mr. Grey]

I should. Next time I have some extra cash I'll try and get that 1, 2 and Tactics bundle thingy.

They're all actually on Good Old Games, if you want to shell out a little more for a little less. Tactics is fun, but not all that good with story. (There's a lot of poop jokes. It's not funny.)

Yes, but that little more is a lot more when you're a flat broke bastard such as myself haha

Just six bucks each, DRM Free, and fully upgraded to the latest official patch. Plus in the community section they sticky where you can find mods to improve the game, such as unofficial patches and restoration patches that restore lost content that were very close to completion but got axed.

Compared to what the bundle is worth, you're saving money. So yeah, I'd recommend Good Old Games over the bundle.

 

[Littlee300]

The Enclave are going to be there because it's a Fallout game and they're always there, and the bumper sticker is a gag.

Or is the bumper sticker means it is from DC? Maybe a character is sending it to find you to tell you a message... FROM THE FUTURE!!!
I am not sure if i am trolling or not...
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The goverment probably planned what to do for a nuclear fallout. I remember reading from cracked.com (i don't know if there a reliable source) that the government is preparing a bit for it just in case. So they might have something up their sleeve... a awesome piece of technology, or something... i don't know.

 

[Avelestar]

There should be an achievement for slapping a bumper stick on a passing eyebot.

 

[Booze Zombie]

the enclave are not everywhere. the ONLY enclave bases are nevarro (an enclave gas station for vertibirds with about 20 people staffing it) and the oil rig. the oil rig is gone and nevarro's staff was already low on morale so the enclave was officially dead since FO2.

Yeah, it was late at the time.

Still, it does seem like the Enclave are everywhere, popping up whenever a writing team feels like it.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

there are none. frank horrigan confirmed that the only bases the enclave control are nevarro and the oil rig. according to the enclave, the oil rig is their biggest and ONLY base since nevarro doesn't even count.

It might be worth nothing that Frank Horrigan was nothing more than a go-to man though. Chances are that he doesn't have security clearance enough to know about bases outside of his Area of Operations. So if there are/were any bases in the mid-west or on the east coast, chances are he wouldn't know about them anyway. With that said, the Enclave did suffer a glaring number of massive setbacks in the last few decades so their chances of recuperating are non-existant.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

the enclave are not everywhere. the ONLY enclave bases are nevarro (an enclave gas station for vertibirds with about 20 people staffing it) and the oil rig. the oil rig is gone and nevarro's staff was already low on morale so the enclave was officially dead since FO2.

There was also Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base, who's to say there aren't other unknown bases?

there are none. frank horrigan confirmed that the only bases the enclave control are nevarro and the oil rig. according to the enclave, the oil rig is their biggest and ONLY base since nevarro doesn't even count.

Maybe Frank was lying?

Like it or not, Raven Rock and the new Enclave bases are part of the canon now.

 

[Nitpicker of the Wastes]

Now as for Mariposa it's very important to the Fallout Universe: The birthplace of the Brotherhood of Steel, the origination of the dreaded Master and his army of Super Mutants and the recipe for one of the Enclaves most dangerous plots. It's always possible they could come up with a reason to go back, a secret room or something that holds a great danger.

But that was only a hunch, it wouldn't be logical to include the actual Mariposa Base in the New Vegas game. The distance between the two locations must be enormous. Then again, we traveled 500 Kilometers to get to the Pit from the Capital Wastes.

Mariposa was destroyed twice; once by the Vault Dweller and once by the Enclave. There really is nothing left in the base.

the enclave are not everywhere. the ONLY enclave bases are nevarro (an enclave gas station for vertibirds with about 20 people staffing it) and the oil rig. the oil rig is gone and nevarro's staff was already low on morale so the enclave was officially dead since FO2.

Well, according to PoseidoNet, there were at least four other Enclave locations, as well as an unknown number of former Enclave, Department of Defense, and other government bunkers. (And all of those have been opened by the Enclave.)

There was also Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base, who's to say there aren't other unknown bases?

Raven Rock was never an Enclave base; just a base. President Eden was built to be a standard ZAX unit, he just kinda gained sentience. Adams was also never an Enclave position, they just ran there because it was deserted.

There are several options that would make it make sense, really. First off all, the Mariposa Military Base was, as the name implies, a military installation. So perhaps Vault 87 was created so that the Government/Enclave could continue their research in case the bombs fell and the grid went black? Fallout 1 makes it pretty clear that once the soldiers and scientists in Mariposa realized they've just lived through the end of the world, the research stopped (Through killing of the scientists mostly, if I recall correctly). If the Government/Enclave saw that coming (or just realizing they wouldn't be able to contact Mariposa after the bombs fell), it would make for them to create a contingency plan so that they could finish their FEV-research. What better place then a vault then? A thousand or so test subjects and you have all the access codes needed to just come in and snatch the research once it progressed sufficiently.

The research on FEV (which as the Pan-virion immunity project for quite a while!) was moved to Mariposa out of fear of West-Tek being a private company. The entire mutant business was just the Master getting lucky. If nukes fell, the New Plague would have ceased to exist, and FEV wouldn't have been needed.

Still, it does seem like the Enclave are everywhere, popping up whenever a writing team feels like it.

There's actually an article on Hellforge about how lots of stuff in F3 is reused garbage from all of the old games, including Tactics and FOBoS.

there are none. frank horrigan confirmed that the only bases the enclave control are nevarro and the oil rig. according to the enclave, the oil rig is their biggest and ONLY base since nevarro doesn't even count.

Frank Horrigan has the lowest amount of standard dialogue of any character in the game, especially for a talking head. The PoseidoNet terminal in Gecko's power plant is where I'm basing my sources.

It might be worth nothing that Frank Horrigan was nothing more than a go-to man though. Chances are that he doesn't have security clearance enough to know about bases outside of his Area of Operations. So if there are/were any bases in the mid-west or on the east coast, chances are he wouldn't know about them anyway. With that said, the Enclave did suffer a glaring number of massive setbacks in the last few decades so their chances of recuperating are non-existant.

Frank was the highest ranking Enclave soldier in all of history, actually. I mean, just look at him. You really think that someone can order such a beast of a man around?

 

[cornmancer]

I should. Next time I have some extra cash I'll try and get that 1, 2 and Tactics bundle thingy.

They're all actually on Good Old Games, if you want to shell out a little more for a little less. Tactics is fun, but not all that good with story. (There's a lot of poop jokes. It's not funny.)

Yes, but that little more is a lot more when you're a flat broke bastard such as myself haha

Just six bucks each, DRM Free, and fully upgraded to the latest official patch. Plus in the community section they sticky where you can find mods to improve the game, such as unofficial patches and restoration patches that restore lost content that were very close to completion but got axed.

Compared to what the bundle is worth, you're saving money. So yeah, I'd recommend Good Old Games over the bundle.

Oh cool. I've never used GOG, but I heard somewhere it's bad for some reason or other.