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Eico said:
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Eico said:
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Eico said:
65 deaths from a population of four and a half million is fairly minor indeed; that's 0.0014%.
So you're saying there's no middle ground between "business as usual" and "genocide"? OK, then.
Do tell me, with a quote, where I mentioned genocide.

I'm very curious.
Well, by bringing up the percentage of the total population, I thought you were implying that in order for the earthquake to be a big deal to you, it would have to put a dent in the total population.

So while you didn't bring up genocide, that's still pretty messed up. If that IS what you were implying.
I'm saying a natural event killing 65 people of four and a half million is nothing disastrous (/pun). With the amount of people who die every day from starvation alone severl hundred times larger than that number, I fail to see the noteworthiness of 0.0014%. Perhaps people are selfish and don't care that thousands die every day from dirty water and heat stroke. Heaven forbid, in the midst of the majority of the population below the poverty line, an earthquake should kill 0.0014% of a developed country's populas! I'd be surprised if the number of people who die from cancer in New Zealand every day isn't close to that number.

65 people dying isn't massive. Many, many, many, many more people die every day from everything BUT old age. It's simply that we don't see their faces. It's harder to ignore the faces of the people in a developed nation. It's okay not to care or talk about the people starving to death - 'they are far away, they don't have T.V's, I don't hear about them, so what can I do'? Almost racist, in an unintentional way, isn't it. Ha.
A word of advice, just stop it, okay. People are trapped under rumble, not knowing whether they will live or die. People are displaced, sleeping in the cold on wooden sheets, queuing for 3 - 4 hours for a bottle of water. It's just sad and you can't seem to understand, and insist of making the lost insignificant.
 

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I'm up in Blenheim (bout 4 hours north of CHCH) got friends and famliy down their though. Very scared, cant remember we had this high a loss of life in New Zealand. Body count at 75 now
 

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It is unfortunate that this has happened. What I hate is how in Australia it has overshadowed every single other piece of news from anywhere else in the world. So, I guess all those riots in all those different countries in the middle east just stopped and everything went back to normal, right? I can honestly say they show nothing but earthquake stuff at the moment.
 

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Eico said:
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Really? You consider 65 deaths "relatively little"? How many casualties do you consider a lot?
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Fairly minor? The death toll is estimated to be as much as 1000+, the iconic Christchurch cathedral is in ruins, as well as an array of other buildings, varying old and new including the CTV building, not to mention Christchurch's last major earthquake, an earthquake which measured higher than Haiti, was only 2 months previous! You obviously don't understand the severity of the situation.
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65 people dead. Expected to rise. That's quite a bit down here in NZ. Not to mention that the earthquake knocked the spire off of the Cathedral, which is a local landmark.
65 deaths from a population of four and a half million is fairly minor indeed; that's 0.0014%.
It's still the highest death toll ever in this country (if my memory serves me right, i think there might've been more in some ship that crashed between the islands (fff im from nz and i forgot the name of that place -.-)), and 65 is still a lot of people.
Although it does seem weird that, say, China has stuff almost to this scale pretty much every other day, and they shrug it off as nothing. Goes to show what 1bil+ people can do to a country :/
 

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I saw this on Daily Planet tonight. Best regards to those affected by this earthquake.
 

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Wolf-AUS said:
It is unfortunate that this has happened. What I hate is how in Australia it has overshadowed every single other piece of news from anywhere else in the world. So, I guess all those riots in all those different countries in the middle east just stopped and everything went back to normal, right? I can honestly say they show nothing but earthquake stuff at the moment.
Its most likey because at least 1 Australian is dead and more are missing
 

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Eico said:
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Eico said:
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Eico said:
65 deaths from a population of four and a half million is fairly minor indeed; that's 0.0014%.
So you're saying there's no middle ground between "business as usual" and "genocide"? OK, then.
Do tell me, with a quote, where I mentioned genocide.

I'm very curious.
Well, by bringing up the percentage of the total population, I thought you were implying that in order for the earthquake to be a big deal to you, it would have to put a dent in the total population.

So while you didn't bring up genocide, that's still pretty messed up. If that IS what you were implying.
I'm saying a natural event killing 65 people of four and a half million is nothing disastrous (/pun). With the amount of people who die every day from starvation alone severl hundred times larger than that number, I fail to see the noteworthiness of 0.0014%. Perhaps people are selfish and don't care that thousands die every day from dirty water and heat stroke. Heaven forbid, in the midst of the majority of the population below the poverty line, an earthquake should kill 0.0014% of a developed country's populas! I'd be surprised if the number of people who die from cancer in New Zealand every day isn't close to that number.

65 people dying isn't massive. Many, many, many, many more people die every day from everything BUT old age. It's simply that we don't see their faces. It's harder to ignore the faces of the people in a developed nation. It's okay not to care or talk about the people starving to death - 'they are far away, they don't have T.V's, I don't hear about them, so what can I do'? Almost racist, in an unintentional way, isn't it. Ha.
It's ok mate, I understand you're trying to be one of those cool calculating purely logical, zero emotion people. But I can tell for a fact by the way you have spoken about it, you have never experienced death (through a horrific way) in person, because when you do, I guarantee you won't be gobbing off about death the way you are. You're right, humans die all the time, it doesn't make the loss of life any less tragic taking into consideration the condition their bodies will be in once they are discovered
 

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Wolf-AUS said:
It is unfortunate that this has happened. What I hate is how in Australia it has overshadowed every single other piece of news from anywhere else in the world. So, I guess all those riots in all those different countries in the middle east just stopped and everything went back to normal, right? I can honestly say they show nothing but earthquake stuff at the moment.
I was in NZ during the QLD floods, did you know know that almost every time I got to see the news that was all they were reporting on? And considering I live in QLD myself, I kinda appreciated being able to see and stay up to date with things while my family couldn't contact us due to the phone lines being flooded. And considering we have a rather large Kiwi population over here, I would say it's kinda fair to show the amount of footage they've been playing. It's only day 2 for Christs sake...it's fresh, and you expect something different?????
 

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MelziGurl said:
Wolf-AUS said:
It is unfortunate that this has happened. What I hate is how in Australia it has overshadowed every single other piece of news from anywhere else in the world. So, I guess all those riots in all those different countries in the middle east just stopped and everything went back to normal, right? I can honestly say they show nothing but earthquake stuff at the moment.
I was in NZ during the QLD floods, did you know know that almost every time I got to see the news that was all they were reporting on? And considering I live in QLD myself, I kinda appreciated being able to see and stay up to date with things while my family couldn't contact us due to the phone lines being flooded. And considering we have a rather large Kiwi population over here, I would say it's kinda fair to show the amount of footage they've been playing. It's only day 2 for Christs sake...it's fresh, and you expect something different?????
Not what I'm saying at all. I understand completely wanting to stay up to date, hell, I was amongst the people looking for dead after the cyclone/floods, so I get that it's nice to stay up to date on what's going on around the area. But, maybe, is it too much to ask for a little bit of news on what's going on in other parts of the world. Sure, devote 1/2, a half, maybe even 3/4 of the news to the earthquakes. But, possibly some foreign news would be nice too?
 

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Eico said:
Mmm. I saw this on the news this morning. Seems fairly minor; relatively little loss of life.
How wrong you are.

75 confirmed dead at time of writing with a further 300 missing. All water in Christchurch has been cut off and upwards of a hundred or more emergency personnel from Aus have been flown in to help.

OT: I've been watching the news all day today (In Australia) and trying to get onto my cousin in Christchurch, who was there for a business conference all week, we still haven't heard anything from him.
 

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Phantomess said:
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Damn, That whole region of the world is getting the shit kicked out of them by Mother nature. Hope it all stays steady and doesn't turn and worse.
That's true. Australia just had thier flooding and category 5 cyclone. This continent doesn't seem to be safe :S
Not to mention the bushfires out W.A. way.

I had family up in QLD during the floods (I live in Sydney) and it scared the hell outta me. Now I hear that one of my close friends' family was in Christchurch during the quake. Nature, please stop trying to give me a coronary!
Jesus, we're all just really in the deep shit at the moment, aren't we? The last 3 months in Australia have been really shit where I live, with the local rivers and creeks and even Melbourne's CBD being flooded once of or twice, though luckily I haven't been up north where all the really heavy flooding has been happening.
Then the cyclone in Queensland as well, these huge fires in W.A and now this damn earthquake hitting out mates across the Tasman, I reckon mother nature's got it in for us.

On a side note, are we oud of the drought yet?
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Eico said:
Mmm. I saw this on the news this morning. Seems fairly minor; relatively little loss of life.
Really? You consider 65 deaths "relatively little"? How many casualties do you consider a lot?
150,000 people die daily, 65 people isn't even a blip on the radar. I feel bad for them and wish they hadn't died, but I'd say 65 people dying in a day is "relatively little".
 

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Vryyk said:
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Eico said:
Mmm. I saw this on the news this morning. Seems fairly minor; relatively little loss of life.
Really? You consider 65 deaths "relatively little"? How many casualties do you consider a lot?
350,000 people die daily, 65 people isn't even a blip on the radar. I feel bad for them and wish they hadn't died, but I'd say 65 people dying in a day is "relatively little".
Maybe for some but for New Zealand 65 or 75 as it now is, is a massive blip on the radar.
If people dont have any to supportive or kind to say they should stay off this thread, its too soon for this kind stuff
 

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When I found out about the quake here in Australia, the theatre I work at turned on a TV and we spent hours watching the updates. Having had friends get trapped in the floods on our east coast, then have a family member stuck during bushfires to the west, my heart goes out to the Kiwis.

I really feel for you guys - especially when you supported us during the floods and bushfires in 2009.

There's a lot of fund raisers me and my theatre colleagues have volunteered for (it's Adelaide Festival time and a lot of big artists are pitching in). You will never be alone - your Aussie allies/sporting enemies are right beside you and all the people in Christchurch.
 

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Man, some inconsiderate trolls are inconsiderate, eh?

What with the small size of the city, I'm bound to know someone who's died. One of my mates had a brick wall fall on him, but he's a burly brute and he's alright. I'm just expecting to find out in the next couple of days that my friend from school or down the road is dead. It's one of those things you see on the news happening to other people, it's so unreal when it happens in your city.
 

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If raw figures won't make you stop acting like a know-it-all dick, maybe some images will be a bit more eye-opening.
See that lady down in the bottom picture? With the bloody face? She was at church. They pulled her out of the destroyed Christchurch Cathedral, a city landmark. The devastation goes beyond the loss of life, however "minor" you insist it is.

And no, that's not an invitation to lecture me about the loss in the world. That's no excuse to start pissing on someone's funeral.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
It's still the highest death toll ever in this country (if my memory serves me right, i think there might've been more in some ship that crashed between the islands (fff im from nz and i forgot the name of that place -.-)), and 65 is still a lot of people.
Highest death toll was the 1931 Napier Earthquake that killed 256. The disaster you're referring to is the Wahine disaster in 1968 when the Wahine ship sank at the entrance of Wellington Harbour killing 56.

The fact that after day two there's a death toll of 75, with buildings like the collapsed CTV building assumed to have 100 people presumed dead inside it and the Pyne Gould Guinness building which has more and even the iconic Christchurch Cathedral where it is feared that around 20 are trapped, also presumed killed. After facing the September quake that miraculously didn't have any fatalities, then the Pike River disaster that killed 29 then this... it's fair to say that NZ is feeling a bit knocked about at the moment.

NZ's a small country, everyone knows everyone. I doubt there will be a person in the country who doesn't know someone badly effected by this.
 

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Eico said:
My grandmother was diagnosed and died of breast cancer not more than a month ago. I had a friend commit suicide a few months ago as a result of years of bullying. A husband and wife couple I grew up with both died of AIDS. It happens. Life goes on. Your presumptions do you no credit.
Not the same familiarity with death I'm talking about. But I'm not here to get into a pissing contest. Granted everyone dies, but people who meet their end through particularly traumatic circumstances cannot be brushed off as it simply happens, it's not the same as someone who passes due to old age. The Kiwis still trapped under rubble are facing particularly trying times ahead of them until they get rescued, some won't be rescued and will die trapped under the buildings, a bit of empathy for them and their families is warranted. Being so callous and showing such little value in human life does these people no justice.