Nintendo Failures seem exaggerated

[Saltyk]

That's the thing. That doesn't happen.

Uh, what? There's Nintendo hate in pretty much every single Nintendo article posted on this site. To claim otherwise requires denial of an almost uncanny level.

There is no more Nintendo Hate than there is Sony Hate. Or Microsoft Hate. Actually there is probably way more Microsoft hate. A ton more. That whole DRM thing is still hated by plenty of people. And the PR disaster didn't help. I'd actually admit to disliking Microsoft. What they wanted to do actually could have affected me.

But there really isn't any Nintendo Hate. You yourself sort of proved that.

That is the thing, I'm still trying to figure out the logic of it. What exactly has Nintendo done to earn so much ire? If people are still sulking over the N64/GC/Wii/DS/3DS, heck if they're still sulking over the Wii U then they have some SERIOUS freaking issues they need to work out with a therapist. Nintendo exists and they are an entity that likes to go against the grain and do their own thing.It's about time people get over that.

I think a lot of it comes from Yahtzee's generally expressed displeasure over Nintendo products. Yahtzee's part of the reason this site came to such prominence, so the forum probably picked up a good number of its Nintendo hate from that.

Which makes a lot of the hate somewhat ironic, as Yahtzee just recently admitted that he almost feels sorry for them now, because they're the only company that still seems interested in making a game console and not just a bad PC (like the Xbone/PS4). It's pretty topsy turvy when the guy known for not liking Nintendo products is actually feeling sympathy for them, whereas the rest of the site is increasingly going for Nintendo's throat whenever an article gets posted about some aspect of their business.

Yahtzee, the King of "Nintendo Hate" doesn't hate Nintendo.

I've read the articles and the comments about Nintendo here. There really aren't that many people hating on Nintendo. At worst, people state they would actually like Nintendo to go third party. I would like for Nintendo to go third party. Not holding my breath. And there are tons of threads about about this so called plight. But none actually hating on Nintendo.

You want hate? Go back to the time Microsoft announced the DRM machine. THAT WAS HATE! There were several active threads talking about how much people hated the new Xbox. People were coming up with theories about it and jumping ship to Sony on the off chance they might not have DRM. And after Sony announced they wouldn't have DRM, there were gifs about it. Tons of gifs. That wasn't even just on this site, either.

Microsoft was hated. Might still be hated by many. Nintendo isn't hated. Stop pretending they are.

 

[Saltyk]

Nintendo isn't hated. Stop pretending they are.

They are, and I think you exist in a state of denial well beyond that of most people, but it's also relatively obvious that I could link you to examples and you'd still deny it was there.

So I'll simply repeat what I said before and save myself the effort:

Opinions are fine. I don't agree entirely with what you've said but I respect your right to an opinion.

And I could counter each example with examples of Sony and Microsoft hate. Hell, I could probably offer twice as many examples of Microsoft hate.

Spoiler: Like this lovely gem

But I'm sure I could bring up reasons to dislike Nintendo. Like how they monetized Youtube videos that featured their games from Let's Players and reviewers. Or how they are the only company that uses Region Lock. Or refusal to localize some games.

I think some of those might be resolved, but they are still valid reasons to dislike Nintendo.

Honestly, this is obviously pointless and I had some other things I wanted to do. Was just trying to bring some sense into this topic. And all it's done is confirm that I don't want anything to do with the Nintendo fanbase.

 

[J Tyran]

]Nintendo gave third party devs the chance to develop games for the Wii U and where did that get them?Several devs backing out with bullshit excuses for why they can't develop for the system.

THEY DIDN'T SELL! Why is this so hard to understand? You have seen the numbers on the list I gave you. PEOPLE BY AND LARGE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN NON NINTENDO GAMES ON THE WIIU!

And?That still does'nt explain why third party devs backed out when the Wii U first launched.By then the system could've sold alot more if the third party devs held their part of the deal.

If one publisher didn't make good on its "promise" it would point the finger at that company but nearly all of the big publishers? No sorry this looks more and more like its Nintendos fault, they are obviously toxic to 3rd parties for some reason. There is a huge amount of professional criticism about the hardware inside the Wii U from a wide array of sources, its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

Nintendo have a history of sticking their fingers up at partnered companies going all the way back to the 90s, even as far as publicly burning Sony at a conference. Its nothing new so it shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[sonofliber]

im actually surprise that people say nintendo is more screw that microsoft and sony, because they are just a gaming company, actually thats a plus since they cant stop making games, yet sony and MS are huge companies, and do you know what huge companies do? cut the parts that dont generate money, guess which part doesnt generate money for them.....

 

[VG_Addict]

I have no interest in the Wii U. I had no interest in the Wii (I really hate motion controls). And I can count the number of Wii games that caught my interest on one hand. Currently, the only game on the Wii U that looks good to me is X. Damn, does X look good. I'd love to see it on PS4. But there are plenty of games that won't come to Wii U that I am even more excited for.

With limited income, I can only afford one console. Sorry, but I'm not buying the Wii U for X. Mario holds no sway over me. The only classic Nintendo franchise that interests me is Zelda. Still not enough to warrant a Wii U. So, if Nintendo went third party like Sega, I would be happy. I'm not holding my breath, though.

See, that's what I'm talking about. People ***** at Nintendo for not appealing to the core audience. Nintendo gets Bayonetta 2 and X. Then people whine that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2 and ask why X isn't on their PS4. Nintendo just can't win.

 

[Something Amyss]

When people are constantly proclaiming the End of Nintendo in every single article related to them you can understand why fans are annoyed.

And when that happens, we can talk. When it's nothing but hyperbole, however, it rings hollow as justification.

For crying out loud, you were actually arguing with me earlier on points I not only didn't say, but agreed on and had said as much.

 

[Something Amyss]

See, that's what I'm talking about. People ***** at Nintendo for not appealing to the core audience. Nintendo gets Bayonetta 2 and X. Then people whine that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2 and ask why X isn't on their PS4. Nintendo just can't win.

Nintendo could win if they had more games people wanted on their console. The issue here is that he's saying X isn't good enough to justify a full console buy. This has been explained to you before. Why do you insist on ignoring it?

 

[Snotnarok]

Nintendo has it's consoles and software

Sony has TVs, computers, laptops, mp3 players, software

Mircosoft has windows, I don't think I need to say more than that but, they have the Surface and Surface Pro line of tablet/PCs, PC accessories.

So when Nintendo screws up with it's only focus it's a bit more of a problem. I'd assume this is why people think they're going down, I don't think it'll kill them personally but I also don't really think about companies that much

 

[J Tyran]

its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

This is another silly thing I've noticed. Is there a "Sony Defense Force"? Or a "Microsoft Defense Force"?

Because they have easily just as many white knights on these forums as Nintendo does, but only Nintendo's group seems worthy of a special title or their own special level of "hate".

But there I go, "pretending" that Nintendo gets hate again. I've gotta stop using my eyes, I suppose.

I have seen accusations of an SDF & MDF just a lot less.

What's the NDF?Because I sure as hell have'nt heard of it aside from this site.

It stands for "Nintendo Defence Force" and its used pretty widely, the first place I saw it was on NeoGAF but its on everywhere from the Escapist to Reddit, Giant Bomb, Destructoid and anywhere else games are discussed. It even gets used in articles as well as forums.

 

[Saltyk]

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Again, don't mind when people have their reasons for disliking a company.

I myself dislike EA for enough reasons that I could fill a very large post with them.

It's irrational hate that I can't stand. And what boggles my mind is how you can honestly pretend that it just doesn't exist in the case of Nintendo, and act like only Sony and MS have to deal with it.

Irrational hate? Once more, I already stated there are plenty of reasons to dislike Nintendo. But, if you would like to ignore those points, and instead claim that anyone who dislikes Nintendo does so irrationally, the only person who is irrational is you.

And I never said that Only Sony and Microsoft have to deal with it. I was stating that if you look at any thread about Sony and Microsoft, you will find posts exactly like the ones you are decrying in the Nintendo threads that you are pretending only exist in Nintendo threads. That's irrational.

I never even said that people who hate on Sony or Microsoft are wrong to do so. Those people have valid reasons to do so. PS4s that arrived broken. Xbox DRM and horrid PR. But, you will find way more hatred for company's like EA and Microsoft.

Honestly, I'm annoyed with these constant threads proclaiming people hate Nintendo. They are way to common. And completely untrue. It's the sort of thing that people constantly claim on Articles here. Click bait.

its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

This is another silly thing I've noticed. Is there a "Sony Defense Force"? Or a "Microsoft Defense Force"?

Because they have easily just as many white knights on these forums as Nintendo does, but only Nintendo's group seems worthy of a special title or their own special level of "hate".

But there I go, "pretending" that Nintendo gets hate again. I've gotta stop using my eyes, I suppose.

What's hilarious about this part is I know there is a commenter who actually joked that he was the "leader of the Nintendo Defense Force". Because he's always defending Nintendo in threads. The whole NDF might have actually sprung from that.

And they honestly do exist. Not in some actual organized group, but you will constantly see the same few people defending Nintendo. Usually from the same few who "hate" Nintendo.

I have no interest in the Wii U. I had no interest in the Wii (I really hate motion controls). And I can count the number of Wii games that caught my interest on one hand. Currently, the only game on the Wii U that looks good to me is X. Damn, does X look good. I'd love to see it on PS4. But there are plenty of games that won't come to Wii U that I am even more excited for.

With limited income, I can only afford one console. Sorry, but I'm not buying the Wii U for X. Mario holds no sway over me. The only classic Nintendo franchise that interests me is Zelda. Still not enough to warrant a Wii U. So, if Nintendo went third party like Sega, I would be happy. I'm not holding my breath, though.

See, that's what I'm talking about. People ***** at Nintendo for not appealing to the core audience. Nintendo gets Bayonetta 2 and X. Then people whine that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2 and ask why X isn't on their PS4. Nintendo just can't win.

And this is exactly what I am talking about.
When did I whine about this? When did I hate on Nintendo? When did I claim they stole anything?

*Spoiler Alert* I didn't. I am perfectly happy that Nintendo has games like X. It gives people with a Wii U a great game to play. You already have great games like Super Mario 3D World (The Completionist Episode on that was great). And I'm sure the next Smash Brothers game will be good.

Would I like to play X? Hell yeah! It looks awesome. But I am perfectly content to play Infamous, Resogun, and Destiny. Because those are some of the games I'm excited to play and people on the Wii U can't play.

If I would claim anyone stole any game, I'd say that Microsoft stole Titanfall from Sony. But half of that is because the Dev team was actively working on a PS4 version and learned about the deal to keep it off PS4 when we did. They were upset about that to say the least. And I don't even care about Titanfall!

 

[VG_Addict]

-stuff-

Again, don't mind when people have their reasons for disliking a company.

I myself dislike EA for enough reasons that I could fill a very large post with them.

It's irrational hate that I can't stand. And what boggles my mind is how you can honestly pretend that it just doesn't exist in the case of Nintendo, and act like only Sony and MS have to deal with it.

Irrational hate? Once more, I already stated there are plenty of reasons to dislike Nintendo. But, if you would like to ignore those points, and instead claim that anyone who dislikes Nintendo does so irrationally, the only person who is irrational is you.

And I never said that Only Sony and Microsoft have to deal with it. I was stating that if you look at any thread about Sony and Microsoft, you will find posts exactly like the ones you are decrying in the Nintendo threads that you are pretending only exist in Nintendo threads. That's irrational.

I never even said that people who hate on Sony or Microsoft are wrong to do so. Those people have valid reasons to do so. PS4s that arrived broken. Xbox DRM and horrid PR. But, you will find way more hatred for company's like EA and Microsoft.

Honestly, I'm annoyed with these constant threads proclaiming people hate Nintendo. They are way to common. And completely untrue. It's the sort of thing that people constantly claim on Articles here. Click bait.

its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

This is another silly thing I've noticed. Is there a "Sony Defense Force"? Or a "Microsoft Defense Force"?

Because they have easily just as many white knights on these forums as Nintendo does, but only Nintendo's group seems worthy of a special title or their own special level of "hate".

But there I go, "pretending" that Nintendo gets hate again. I've gotta stop using my eyes, I suppose.

What's hilarious about this part is I know there is a commenter who actually joked that he was the "leader of the Nintendo Defense Force". Because he's always defending Nintendo in threads. The whole NDF might have actually sprung from that.

And they honestly do exist. Not in some actual organized group, but you will constantly see the same few people defending Nintendo. Usually from the same few who "hate" Nintendo.

I have no interest in the Wii U. I had no interest in the Wii (I really hate motion controls). And I can count the number of Wii games that caught my interest on one hand. Currently, the only game on the Wii U that looks good to me is X. Damn, does X look good. I'd love to see it on PS4. But there are plenty of games that won't come to Wii U that I am even more excited for.

With limited income, I can only afford one console. Sorry, but I'm not buying the Wii U for X. Mario holds no sway over me. The only classic Nintendo franchise that interests me is Zelda. Still not enough to warrant a Wii U. So, if Nintendo went third party like Sega, I would be happy. I'm not holding my breath, though.

See, that's what I'm talking about. People ***** at Nintendo for not appealing to the core audience. Nintendo gets Bayonetta 2 and X. Then people whine that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2 and ask why X isn't on their PS4. Nintendo just can't win.

And this is exactly what I am talking about.
When did I whine about this? When did I hate on Nintendo? When did I claim they stole anything?

*Spoiler Alert* I didn't. I am perfectly happy that Nintendo has games like X. It gives people with a Wii U a great game to play. You already have great games like Super Mario 3D World (The Completionist Episode on that was great). And I'm sure the next Smash Brothers game will be good.

Would I like to play X? Hell yeah! It looks awesome. But I am perfectly content to play Infamous, Resogun, and Destiny. Because those are some of the games I'm excited to play and people on the Wii U can't play.

If I would claim anyone stole any game, I'd say that Microsoft stole Titanfall from Sony. But half of that is because the Dev team was actively working on a PS4 version and learned about the deal to keep it off PS4 when we did. They were upset about that to say the least. And I don't even care about Titanfall!

I didn't say you specifically said Nintendo "stole" anything. I was just posting what people on other forums have said, that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2.

 

[J Tyran]

its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

This is another silly thing I've noticed. Is there a "Sony Defense Force"? Or a "Microsoft Defense Force"?

Because they have easily just as many white knights on these forums as Nintendo does, but only Nintendo's group seems worthy of a special title or their own special level of "hate".

But there I go, "pretending" that Nintendo gets hate again. I've gotta stop using my eyes, I suppose.

I have seen accusations of an SDF & MDF just a lot less.

What's the NDF?Because I sure as hell have'nt heard of it aside from this site.

It stands for "Nintendo Defence Force" and its used pretty widely, the first place I saw it was on NeoGAF but its on everywhere from the Escapist to Reddit, Giant Bomb, Destructoid and anywhere else games are discussed. It even gets used in articles as well as forums.

Seems kind of silly to use a term that's supposed to imply a certain fanbase is some sort of defense force.It's not like they bust into people's houses if even one negative opinion is said about X company.Where's the Microsoft Hater Force,the NHF,or the SHF?

As they are the ones to earn their own widely accepted nickname it obviously says something about them, wouldn't you agree? Whether its because of a particular amount of zeal or level of fallacy I cannot say but you are right, it is rather peculiar they have earned such a title so it must be for a reason...

 

[Saltyk]

its about time the NDF stopped trying to claim its a conspiracy and also remember publishers owe Nintendo nothing.

This is another silly thing I've noticed. Is there a "Sony Defense Force"? Or a "Microsoft Defense Force"?

Because they have easily just as many white knights on these forums as Nintendo does, but only Nintendo's group seems worthy of a special title or their own special level of "hate".

But there I go, "pretending" that Nintendo gets hate again. I've gotta stop using my eyes, I suppose.

I have seen accusations of an SDF & MDF just a lot less.

What's the NDF?Because I sure as hell have'nt heard of it aside from this site.

It stands for "Nintendo Defence Force" and its used pretty widely, the first place I saw it was on NeoGAF but its on everywhere from the Escapist to Reddit, Giant Bomb, Destructoid and anywhere else games are discussed. It even gets used in articles as well as forums.

Seems kind of silly to use a term that's supposed to imply a certain fanbase is some sort of defense force.It's not like they bust into people's houses if even one negative opinion is said about X company.Where's the Microsoft Hater Force,the NHF,or the SHF?

This is a great point. It's just as silly to suggest that there is a Nintendo Defense Force as it is to state that there is some organized hate against Nintendo. Thanks for proving my greater point.

Major SNIPS

I didn't say you specifically said Nintendo "stole" anything. I was just posting what people on other forums have said, that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2.

But you quoted me like I was some sort of an example of such comments. You even cut out other parts like you were trying to show how this exemplifies that mentality. It's fine, but I most certainly was not hating on Nintendo for having X. I wish I could play X. That's a good problem for Nintendo to have. It might make some people buy Wii U to play it. They need more games like that. It could help turn the Wii U around.

Oh, yeah there's also Bayonetta 2. So, have you seen X?

 

[Something Amyss]

So when Nintendo screws up with it's only focus it's a bit more of a problem. I'd assume this is why people think they're going down, I don't think it'll kill them personally but I also don't really think about companies that much

Nintendo's worth enough it won't kill them. However, yes, their focus is so limited compared to the others they draw more concern.

I didn't say you specifically said Nintendo "stole" anything. I was just posting what people on other forums have said, that Nintendo "stole" Bayonetta 2.

While quoting him. And saying this was exactly what you were talking about.

Not cool.

 

[Saltyk]

Irrational hate? Once more, I already stated there are plenty of reasons to dislike Nintendo. But, if you would like to ignore those points, and instead claim that anyone who dislikes Nintendo does so irrationally, the only person who is irrational is you.

Are you reading my posts before you reply? Didn't I just say a few posts ago that I wasn't even talking about you, but rather the people who actually behave in this fashion? What's with all of this self-projection?

So this is how you "Defend" Nintendo? No wonder there is so much "Nintendo Hate"...

Who said you were talking about me? I'm stating that to claim that all hatred towards Nintendo is irrational is foolish and ignores plenty of valid reasons.

And I never said that Only Sony and Microsoft have to deal with it. I was stating that if you look at any thread about Sony and Microsoft, you will find posts exactly like the ones you are decrying in the Nintendo threads that you are pretending only exist in Nintendo threads. That's irrational.

I didn't say that Sony and Microsoft haters don't exist. Again with the self-projection.

You know, I might wanna amend something I said earlier. Nothing related to Nintendo, though.

No, but you are implying that Nintendo gets the worst of it. Which isn't even close to true. I'd say they are all rather equal.

What's hilarious about this part is I know there is a commenter who actually joked that he was the "leader of the Nintendo Defense Force". Because he's always defending Nintendo in threads. The whole NDF might have actually sprung from that.

And they honestly do exist. Not in some actual organized group, but you will constantly see the same few people defending Nintendo. Usually from the same few who "hate" Nintendo.

I've found myself increasingly having to "defend" Nintendo from some pretty irrational individuals, so I'm still quite baffled how you say they don't exist.

Which brings up something of a conundrum for me, since I've been a PC gamer for a long while now.

Which makes me beg the question: Why do you even care? It doesn't affect you!

If I would claim anyone stole any game, I'd say that Microsoft stole Titanfall from Sony. But half of that is because the Dev team was actively working on a PS4 version and learned about the deal to keep it off PS4 when we did. They were upset about that to say the least. And I don't even care about Titanfall!

Doesn't sound like Sony's going to be missing out on much, anyways. The game doesn't even reach 800p and can't hold a steady 60 FPS, which is probably a greater part of the reason why it's limited to 6v6 multiplayer (rather than "balance" or whatever silly excuse they're still using).

Yeah, but plenty of people are excited about it. Though that does seem to remain in line with most of what we're hearing about games running on the Xbox One. I do wonder if the PS4 would fare better, but I guess we'll never know.