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People realize that Splatoon 2 and Minecraft are the biggest titles announced for Japan right?
Splatoon is bigger than Zelda, Super Mario and MK8 and can only really be compared to things like Pokemon, DQ, MH.
While Minecraft sold 1 million on Vita in Japan and is the main reason people continue to buy Vita over there. Hell even Wii U Minecraft was one of the most successful 3rd party games on the Wii U despite releasing an year ago and only getting a physical additional around 6 months ago.

Splatoon 2 reveal is already the 12th most viewed video on Nintendo Japan barely a week after the reveal. 1.7 million views compared to 1.1 mil for Super Mario and 1 mil for Zelda BoTW. I expect it to pass 2 million in one or two more days.
 

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Fonejackerjon said:
Yoshi178 said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.
we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....
SNES, N64 AND GAMECUBE say hi. Yeah nintendo is never about power ffs power is in the nintendo 64's name!
Hate to break it to you mate, but the N64 and the GameCube were considered the "kiddie consoles" of their time. Raw power doesn't count for much if you can't use it effectively, and both the N64 and GC had their niggling bottlenecks.

And with the Super, Ninty was content to wait on bring it out for years after the Genesis was a thing, and was still releasing game for the NES years after that. The SNES's power came more from basic technological advancement than specific effort.
 

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Fonejackerjon said:
Yoshi178 said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.
we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

SNES, N64 AND GAMECUBE say hi. Yeah nintendo is never about power ffs power is in the nintendo 64's name!
DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U say hi.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Fonejackerjon said:
Yoshi178 said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.
we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....
The DS was the most powerful handheld at the time. Check ya facts dude!


SNES, N64 AND GAMECUBE say hi. Yeah nintendo is never about power ffs power is in the nintendo 64's name!
DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U say hi.
 

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Nintendo has never been about power. Here's the thing; They have to start being about power if they want to be anything other than a "niche" developer. If a console has more power, then you can do more stuff with it. Right now 3rd party devs are looking at the specs, and trying to figure out what could be done with it. That's never a good sign. The Switch might sell, but it will never come close to touching PS4 or Xbone numbers. High sales puts dollar signs in front of your stocks, with the hits their stock prices have been taking, they need a high selling system. Which the Switch won't be.
 

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BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
It's not as much about the components power as it is about the price for me. I can't justify it for myself, components worse than the components in consoles released over 3 years ago yet it's +100$ dollar more expensive. It's why I rarely bought games for my Wii, they cost about the same as new 360/PS3 games but they looked worse and relied almost exclusively on gameplay. So why did they cost so much when they were cheaper to produce? That's how I feel about the Switch and probably its games too.
Well that's part of my argument. If you don't like playing Nintendo games, then you shouldn't buy a Switch. Plain and simple. It's like paying more for an Apple device, you can't justify the cost unless you really enjoy the things found exclusively on Apple's products. Nintendo even said themselves, they're competing with the phone market more than the console market. App games on phones are the single biggest threat to Nintendo.
Proof here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/26/nintendo_president_says_apple_a_bigger_threat_than_microsoft_in_games

008Zulu said:
Nintendo has never been about power. Here's the thing; They have to start being about power if they want to be anything other than a "niche" developer. If a console has more power, then you can do more stuff with it. Right now 3rd party devs are looking at the specs, and trying to figure out what could be done with it. That's never a good sign. The Switch might sell, but it will never come close to touching PS4 or Xbone numbers. High sales puts dollar signs in front of your stocks, with the hits their stock prices have been taking, they need a high selling system. Which the Switch won't be.
The only thing Nintendo has to meet are 2 requirements:

1. Be more powerful than other handhelds.

2. Be more powerful than their last console.

They make bank selling old technology for $300 a pop. The 3DS XL sold for $250 during the same time period the Wii was selling for $200. They dominate the handheld market because there, they literally ARE the most powerful console by far. They have the highest third party support, and all they need to do is make sure things stay that way. They even pulled a "Xbox Scorpio/PS4 Pro" move with the NEW 3DS XL release, the same console but more power. It pains me how people don't see how obvious this is. Nintendo's main console is the handheld 3DS line, and now their home console is a handheld too. Because the Switch meets the 2 listed requirements, Nintendo is fine making that choice. If people are willing to spend $250 on a 3DS XL, spending $300 on a Switch is a no brainer since you get a console level of quality on your handheld now. With that you should now understand how the Switch will be one of the best selling consoles ever. By casually migrating the vast handheld support they have to their home console, they are suddenly going to have more support than Microsoft/Sony combined. This is gonna be the biggest blindside the industry has ever seen. And yes there will be shovelware like "1 2 Switch" which plagued the Wii, but at least this time the shovelware is portable which justifies it. There was nothing more awkward than playing a game with the depth of Wii Sports on your couch. It's makes much more sense on a phone or something portable, because the mental bias is there. "I play pong on my phone, not my home console."

RaikuFA said:
I used to be a PC gamer. Had to quit when my PC broke and I was told to "figure it out myself".
I'm sorry to inform you: You were never a PC gamer. Any PC gamer could tell you what the specs are on their machine and what brands they used to build their rig. If you bought an Alienware and then "quit" because it cost too much to service, you were in the wrong neighborhood friend.

Schadrach said:
Long story short: You wanted a next-genconsole that could be made mobile, they made a next gen mobile system you can dock to your TV.
That argument makes no sense considering it has console level power. It is a console that can be made mobile, not the other way around like you are trying to suggest.
 

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aeroblaster said:
The only thing Nintendo has to meet are 2 requirements:

1. Be more powerful than other handhelds.

2. Be more powerful than their last console.
The Switch is being marketed as a home console don't forget. If it as a home console is unable to perform at or about current consoles, then they have lost (and will continue to lose).
 

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008Zulu said:
aeroblaster said:
The only thing Nintendo has to meet are 2 requirements:

1. Be more powerful than other handhelds.

2. Be more powerful than their last console.
The Switch is being marketed as a home console don't forget. If it as a home console is unable to perform at or about current consoles, then they have lost (and will continue to lose).
actually it's being marketed as a hybrid.

not JUST a home console.
 

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008Zulu said:
Yoshi178 said:
actually it's being marketed as a hybrid.

not JUST a home console.
Then it will fail at both.
Why because you say so?


it's already obvious that the Switch is gonna sell a shitload in Japan alone already just based on the cross home/handheld portability alone and then add in all those JRPG's the console is getting like Shin Magami Tensei, Xenoblade 2 as well as 4 damn Dragon Quest games.


but sure, it's Not like Nintendo have ever sold weaker hardware and trumped the competition with them in the past before or anything.....
 

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Fonejackerjon said:
Yoshi178 said:
Fonejackerjon said:
Yoshi178 said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.
we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

SNES, N64 AND GAMECUBE say hi. Yeah nintendo is never about power ffs power is in the nintendo 64's name!
DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U say hi.
The DS was the most powerful handheld at the time. Check ya facts dude!
you should check yours. PSP was way more powerful than the DS.
 

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aeroblaster said:
I'm sorry to inform you: You were never a PC gamer. Any PC gamer could tell you what the specs are on their machine and what brands they used to build their rig. If you bought an Alienware and then "quit" because it cost too much to service, you were in the wrong neighborhood friend.
I've got no idea where the hell that came from. If he gamed on a PC, he's a PC gamer. Plain and simple. He never mentioned anything about not understanding specs. If something fucks up, then it fucks up, not everyone knows how to fix these things. Unless there's a feud between you two I missed
 

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Yoshi178 said:
008Zulu said:
Yoshi178 said:
actually it's being marketed as a hybrid.

not JUST a home console.
Then it will fail at both.
Why because you say so?


it's already obvious that the Switch is gonna sell a shitload in Japan alone already just based on the cross home/handheld portability alone and then add in all those JRPG's the console is getting like Shin Magami Tensei, Xenoblade 2 as well as 4 damn Dragon Quest games.


but sure, it's Not like Nintendo have ever sold weaker hardware and trumped the competition with them in the past before or anything.....
it's worth noting that preorders in japan are selling out all over the country last I heard, and once a monster hunter game is announced it will essentially become the handheld platform of choice for all but the casual gamers in japan
 

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totheendofsin said:
Yoshi178 said:
008Zulu said:
Yoshi178 said:
actually it's being marketed as a hybrid.

not JUST a home console.
Then it will fail at both.
Why because you say so?


it's already obvious that the Switch is gonna sell a shitload in Japan alone already just based on the cross home/handheld portability alone and then add in all those JRPG's the console is getting like Shin Magami Tensei, Xenoblade 2 as well as 4 damn Dragon Quest games.


but sure, it's Not like Nintendo have ever sold weaker hardware and trumped the competition with them in the past before or anything.....
it's worth noting that preorders in japan are selling out all over the country last I heard, and once a monster hunter game is announced it will essentially become the handheld platform of choice for all but the casual gamers in japan
Pre-orders are already selling out here in Australia too. all 4 of the major retailers here: EB games, JB hifi, Target and Big W have all sold out of pre orders and moved onto 2nd shipment pre-orders for the Switch.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Multiplayer paywalls shouldn't be a thing on any console. I want full access to the games I already paid for, the games the devs made with the servers that would otherwise be run by the devs/publishers, not by Sony or Microsoft. It's definitely a negative, another thing we can thank Microsoft for. I'm grateful PC players basically told them to fuck off when they tried it with GFWL. Console players accept everything too easily, but it's not like they have a choice on a closed platform. Nintendo at least had free multiplayer over the other thieves, a good selling point.
Did you see the PS3's servers before they went pay-for-online? That shit was unforgivable, I was honestly glad when they went subscription so their downloads could actually work properly. I remember buying RE5 gold, and then having to plug my PS3 directly into my router and leave it on for a day and a half while it downloaded.

On principle, you're definitely not wrong, of course. But there's probably a reason the 360's online worked so much better for so long. (Side note, fuck the PS3. Lots of great exclusive games, but it's the worst console I've ever used. The thing barely works, even before you put the damn game in. That store...) At least you get a decent value now for PS+, if at least one of the free games every other month or so is fun for you.

Ezekiel said:
Then tell me, why do I get free cloud storage for my saves and free multiplayer on Steam, Origin and Uplay?
Because they have 0 hardware manufacturing costs? Manufacturing consoles is a money hole, they are NOT profitable. The PS3 didn't make it into the black until 2010. The Xbox 360 sold like hotcakes, but it still took six years before it turned a profit.

I'm not trying to attack your opinions, I just think you're operating on some false assumptions here.

OT: Pretty excited for the Switch. I missed out on the WiiU, but I'm definitely going in on Nintendo this gen. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a new Smash Bros. I'm very excited for what Suda is doing, and I'm hoping we'll get a new Platinum entry on this console as well.
 

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Benpasko said:
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a new Smash Bros.
i wouldn't be expecting a new Smash game anytime soon. Sm4sh only released at the end of 2014 and there was like 6 years development time between smash 4 and brawl and another 6 years between Brawl and Melee. Sakurai puts his heart and soul into those games and they end up taking forever to make to deliver the kind of quality we expect from Smash.


the best we can hope for in regards to smash at this point in time is a Smash 4 port in the same vein as the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe port. just a Sm4sh port with all the DLC and a few extra characters thrown in to help appeal to the audience who already bought the game on Wii U. something along those lines but i don't expect anything major just yet in terms of smash.
 

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Elvis Starburst said:
aeroblaster said:
I'm sorry to inform you: You were never a PC gamer. Any PC gamer could tell you what the specs are on their machine and what brands they used to build their rig. If you bought an Alienware and then "quit" because it cost too much to service, you were in the wrong neighborhood friend.
I've got no idea where the hell that came from. If he gamed on a PC, he's a PC gamer. Plain and simple. He never mentioned anything about not understanding specs. If something fucks up, then it fucks up, not everyone knows how to fix these things. Unless there's a feud between you two I missed
I have no idea what he is going on about. I had a custom made computer. It just decides to refuse to start up one day.
 

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Honesty I really don't know how anyone can defend Nintendo. Never has a company had such contempt for the consumer. Lets look at the fact shall we, not speculation but facts.

1) Only Zleda worth buying at launch, once you have that then what for several months.

2) At Least ?40-50 for last gen Skyrim, Arms and Bomberman that should be a ?10 downloadable arcade game. (Nintendo are you stuck in 1997 where you sold N64 games for ?60? this is 2017 that shit will not fly!)

2) No Netflix (Yeah yeah not big deal I hear you say Its a game system first and foremost, but FFS how hard is it to port fucking Netflix or amazon on a switch it might be convenient for some people to take on the go, its a nice added extra that takes no fucking effort at all but no not Nintendo they love shitting on their consumers whilst they lap it up.

3) One downloadable ROM file for snes/nes every month for a paid online service. Even Sony and Microsoft do a hell of a lot better than this. They are not perfect but at least you get some AAA games and you cam KEEP them while subscribed.

4) Hiding specs...why? this is purposely done to con your customers as you know it would piss a lot of people of to reveal its an under clocked android Nvidia micro console that retails at ?150 elsewhere.

5) No third party support, all Nintendo fanboys say they dont need this, but thats what killed the WiiU. If Nintendo were making quality games after quality game it wouldn't be a problem but they make three or four good games and thats about it, it needs third party support but it wont get it.

People need to wake up too reality, the old saying goes, if it looks like shit, smells like shit you dont need a scientist to tell you its shit. This isnt trolling but seriously look at facts and past history and tell me I'm wrong, tell me this is different from the WiiU it really isnt. You cannot hand on heart defend this.

Rant over. Come on Nintendo fanboys pick this comment apart, I dare you!
 

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altnameJag said:
Because they don't care.

Seriously, Nintendo's never played the power game, and if I recall correctly, none of their consoles or handhelds ever beat out their competitors in that realm.

Nintendo doesn't care about power.

You really need to do your research mate the SNES, N64 and gamecube were all more powerful than their counterparts.

The Switch is finally dumping proprietary charging cables, meaning those portable batteries everyone bought for Pokemon Go or their smartphones can extend the battery life of the screen, and the Switch is finally going region free. So those folks who get their underwear in a twist about localizations can just import.

And as far as "no games, just rehashes"? Are full on sequels rehashes now? Is that where we're going with this? Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quests 10 and 11, Nobunaga's Ambition, Project Octopath Traveler (need to workshop that name, yeesh), and (while a bit niche), new Warriors games, which are totally my jam.

And hell, my friends are the sort of lovable idiots that could probably shoot through an evening of getting smashed playing Arms of all things. Nothing like getting hammered and throwing punches at each other.