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Sacman

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Fingerprint said:
Sacman said:
Fingerprint said:
There seems to be a bit of a anti-Halo theme here...
It's because a large portion of people on this sight are PC gamers, well last time I check anyway...
Actually I agree entirely. I am a PC gamer when in England and a console (360) gamer in New Zealand. When I first tried Halo it was on the PC and, yeah, I didn't like it much, it was okay but not great, I felt that that was more down to the feel of controls, being used to having more to do in a game I felt it was fairly mediocre and lacking in substance - though the story itself was still good. However, since buying a 360 whilst in NZ (due to the fact that I can't afford a PC) I found Halo to be a lot better, the game suits the controller perfectly and when with friends it becomes a lot of fun.

P.s., the youtube clip based on H-L2 you put up a few posts ago was fcking sweet; I would definitely play that were it made into a game.
I know when I first started gaming around 2000 I picked up Halo and thought it was "The Shit" but since I started PC gaming, and got into better FPS', my standards are way different and I can't help but blame Halo for all of the boring Military Shooters about space marines that lack innovation and substance...
P.S. I really recommend Korsakovia, if you have Half-Life 2 Episode 2, it's one of the scariest mods I've ever played...
 

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Did you seriously say it was a new standard of FPS?

Them be fightin words you know. You're insulting every FPS made before Halo.
Damn straight ... Goldeneye.

Definitive exemplar of the first generation of the modern FPS.
 

Snotnarok

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Whatever argument you had was lost when saying "Halo set the standard". Let me remind WHY Halo was so popular and how it wasn't a standard, but PART of the standard.

It was the first real online shooter for a console and it worked really well. It was the consoles first way friends could get together and play capture the flag, deathmatch and other fun things. Was it the first online shooter for console? No but it was the first one to get popular. Halo's only thing was recharging shields but I don't think that's what made it popular when the best thing was being able to play with your friend perhaps online to top it off? Nothing in the game was done differently you had guns, you shot at people, sometimes it was in hallways and sometimes it was out in blocky terrain, many games did this.

People on PC were enjoying many games that were online prior to that, do we brag about those games saying how they revolutionized gaming and how they were the best thing since super sliced bread? Not to the extend many Halo fans praise the game to be. It's a old game and if all you want to do is relive the glory days of how Halo was then find a forum where that's what people talk about, which brings me to why there's so many "haters" of Halo.

Not everyone played Halo like you did perhaps, maybe many people who did play it had other games they enjoyed more on another platform. Games other people felt were better and while Halo was the only game you might have had/aside from Halo 2, other platforms had many different games. Halo was a BIG shooter on the xbox, there were many other big games on other platforms so that's why people "hate on it".

Halo fans keep bringing it up like it was the best game ever, it was a good game, as there were many others at the time but it's ALWAYS brought up and the people who were playing something else were sick of hearing about it then and they're sick of it now. What if PC fans just brought up Half Life all the time and just said it's so much better than Halo, or PS2 fans brought up Socom and said how much it kicked halos ass? It'd make you a "hater" too wouldn't it?

Short ver:

Halo was great for people because it was one of the first online games for consoles that worked really well. While other platforms had their own games they enjoyed at the time, BUT, the only thing that's ever brought up is "Halo was revolutionary" but there's no reason WHY. Recharging shields? That's just like recharging your armor in Half Life 2.

Was it good? Yes, was there other great games at the time, YES. Do we bring them up? Not as much as Halo, and it gets annoying.
 

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ForensicYOYO said:
Note that im not a hater on Halo. I actually love it! But heres my problem. When Halo came out it set a new standard for FPS, and almot every shooter has taken after it since. You could say its the core of all FPS since its release. But what does Halo possibly have that no other shooter has now? I know this is mostly from my opinion but creativity wise, there isn't much that has been added. Or at least not original to Halo. I just feel like when I play it, its beginning to turn into a blurry screen and all I see are the basics of all guns, armor, and vehicles in todays FPS. So all I ask of you is to tell me what Halo possibly offers that we haven't already seen? I just want to enjoy the series again before I turn into a hater of a game I truly loved.
Halo on mean't something as a console shooter, as a PC shooter it's crap
 

auronvi

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Anything that is absorbed by the masses so mindlessly is never innovative or amazing. They just took everything that worked well in FPS games before it and crammed it all into a single first person shooter. It also was the XBOX's flagship title. Everyone who owned an XBOX, which was the underdog of it's day next to the PS2, would brag about Halo... which made everyone that hadn't played it interested in it. Couple that with people had spent money on the XBOX just so they could try Halo. Also think of the thousands of young kids who's first fps game was Halo. They made fans for life and now all those fan boys and girls are older and have money and get nostalgic when the think about Halo and can't help but get excited over it. I do the same for every Final Fantasy that comes out. I loved FFXIII but I am a fanboy. Chocobos and cactuars make me feel like a kid again.

It's basically a generational difference. Those of us who played Half-Life back when we were 12 think that these lines of games are much better than Halo because that's just what we know. We grew up with Team Fortress and Counter-Strike. Then we made the move to the sequels. I am sure we are all waiting for the 3rd generation of these games. I personally can't wait to see a reinvented Counter-Strike. I laugh at Halo. It isn't amazingly deep like fans of the series might say. It is a very solid shooter though, even though I hate the idea of taking a whole clip of ammo just to take someone out. It doesn't reward twitch reaction like how I have been trained by games like Unreal Tournament and Quake.

A study done to see what age groups like which game more would be interesting. I am sure we would see a younger audience like Halo while the older audience will lean more towards the 'realistic' shooters like MW2 and the like.

This post is all over the place but I think I said what I wanted to.

TLDR: Basically most Halo fans grew up with the game and the non Halo fans are us old fogies that are just about 5 years older that think our games were better. Are either of us wrong? Both will argue otherwise but it's basically just different, not a question of better.
 

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ForensicYOYO said:
Note that im not a hater on Halo. I actually love it! But heres my problem. When Halo came out it set a new standard for FPS, and almot every shooter has taken after it since. You could say its the core of all FPS since its release. But what does Halo possibly have that no other shooter has now? I know this is mostly from my opinion but creativity wise, there isn't much that has been added. Or at least not original to Halo. I just feel like when I play it, its beginning to turn into a blurry screen and all I see are the basics of all guns, armor, and vehicles in todays FPS. So all I ask of you is to tell me what Halo possibly offers that we haven't already seen? I just want to enjoy the series again before I turn into a hater of a game I truly loved.
Well I'm not sure if anyone brought this up but I think Halo has to be known for not only being an outstanding multiplayer FPs but that its story line (single player and coop) is truly outstanding. Previously FPS's seemed to fall into 2 categories those with great multiplayer but not much of a single player game and those with a great single player but the multiplayer bit...
 

Mordwyl

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And, of course, people forget about Quake and Unreal, the last time true revolutions were made in the FPS genre.
 

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Everyone who talks about halo being good always compares it to COD! AND VICE VERSA!

Sheesh these aren't the only 2 games in the world!
 

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Sacman said:
Fingerprint said:
Sacman said:
Fingerprint said:
There seems to be a bit of a anti-Halo theme here...
It's because a large portion of people on this sight are PC gamers, well last time I check anyway...
Actually I agree entirely. I am a PC gamer when in England and a console (360) gamer in New Zealand. When I first tried Halo it was on the PC and, yeah, I didn't like it much, it was okay but not great, I felt that that was more down to the feel of controls, being used to having more to do in a game I felt it was fairly mediocre and lacking in substance - though the story itself was still good. However, since buying a 360 whilst in NZ (due to the fact that I can't afford a PC) I found Halo to be a lot better, the game suits the controller perfectly and when with friends it becomes a lot of fun.

P.s., the youtube clip based on H-L2 you put up a few posts ago was fcking sweet; I would definitely play that were it made into a game.
I know when I first started gaming around 2000 I picked up Halo and thought it was "The Shit" but since I started PC gaming, and got into better FPS', my standards are way different and I can't help but blame Halo for all of the boring Military Shooters about space marines that lack innovation and substance...
P.S. I really recommend Korsakovia, if you have Half-Life 2 Episode 2, it's one of the scariest mods I've ever played...
I kinda went in the other direction. Being spoilt for choice whilst PC gaming I played and loved a lot of what are usually considered "better" FPS's but now I don't really game that much any more - due to lack of time and having more to do elsewhere - I find myself wanting games that I can just pick up and play and also put down again with ease. Don't get me wrong, when I'm back in NZ I'll be looking to save for a good computer so that once again I can have the choice but at the moment games like Halo ODST/3 on the 360 are right up my ally because a) they're made well; b)they're fun; and c)... I can't think of a third right now, but you get the idea. You could argue that I'm just easy to please but for me Halo just works.

I would really consider getting the mod if it weren't for the fact I'm going back to console gaming in NZ in 9 days. Even though nine days would be enough time I just don't spend as much time gaming as I used to.
 

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auronvi said:
A study done to see what age groups like which game more would be interesting. I am sure we would see a younger audience like Halo while the older audience will lean more towards the 'realistic' shooters like MW2 and the like.

This post is all over the place but I think I said what I wanted to.

TLDR: Basically most Halo fans grew up with the game and the non Halo fans are us old fogies that are just about 5 years older that think our games were better. Are either of us wrong? Both will argue otherwise but it's basically just different, not a question of better.
I think that's a load of toss though. I *loved* goldeneye. My friends and I spent 100's of hours playing that to bits in our later teens. If I could I'd probably prefer to play that then MW2... but with work and study online gaming is just so much easier.

Ahhh .. problems of growing up. Less time to just play games at a friend's house.

But I hate how FPS have become shallow ... sure by Goldeneye's standards FPS's are like an ocean in new innovation. I will say however that goldeneye was a break in the mold. Whereas modern shooters haven't evolved.

Every 'big shooter' to come out thus far has done little to innovate as much as the early FPSs on the 64 and Playstation. Thus they don't invoke the same love from people like me, because if you've played one you've played them all ... the current FPS won't hold the same nostalgia and sense of adventure as we charted a truly new innovation.
 

Nikolaz72

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At the risk of flame. ehem.

A brick can be fun, its a matter of opinion*
 

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Souplex said:
Halo is imitated because it did everything better than everyone else before it other than Goldeneye, so people learned everything they could from it.
We didn't have this parade of power-armored non-characters fighting generically evil aliens using standard weapons and a shoehorned in gimmick item until Half Life 2 came around in 04.
Dude... I don't think you know me, and I'm not going to make a post to argue with you about Half-Life 2, because I really don't care if you hate it, that's fine.

But quite honestly, it seems like you constantly make an effort to say how mediocre you think it is. I've seen heaps of posts from you since I joined, in Half-Life threads and other unrelated threads where you always seem to whoosh in for no other reason than to insult Half-Life. I'm aware you're a popular and reputable member here and make plenty of posts with good substance and value; and this isn't a personal attack; but christ, I have seen so many anti-half-life related posts from you that I have completely associated your name and avatar with "that guy who doesn't like HL2 and for some reason wants everyone to know about it". It kind of reeks of attention seeking because you like to be "different" from most other people here, or whatever.

I mean, there are plenty of games I hate that plenty of people here love, but I don't feel the need to shoehorn in a sentence about how much I hate it; even in topics where it is actually relevant to the subject I generally just avoid them. I have expressed my strong opinions a couple of times on so-called "classics" that people love that I think have aged terribly and are mediocre by today's standards; but why keep repeating yourself? A couple of times is enough or we just start to sound like broken records. I don't really understand your obsession with this. Frankly, nobody cares; and your determination is kind of eye-roll inducing.

Just thought I would say what I believe a lot of people might have been thinking.
 

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Kron_the_mad said:
halo might have set a new standard for CONSOLE shooters, assuming that absolutely no-one had heard of timesplitters or goldeneye.....
this = /thread

I'd throw in perfect dark the original as well
 

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Swear to god I'm going to carpet bomb the next person to make a thread like this.

I love Halo and I have stopped caring that people enjoy hating it. Is it innovative? Original was, and the second was responsible for modern console multiplayer, so I guess so. But I don't give a fuck. It's a fun game, I like the story, and it has amazing multiplayer.
 

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Cassita said:
New standard? That parade of mediocrity?

Oh dear, oh dear.
Metroid Prime Trilogy? Sorry, that's what I think of when I see the word mediocrity talking about video games.

I'm not a Halo fan, but I guess you could say it made FPS accessible to console gamers in a way better than the previous big guns (no pun intended) Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.
 

Terminate421

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Easily the most balanced first person shooter ever.

Some might say battlefield bad company 2 is but that is a class based shooter.
 
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sheogoraththemad said:
a lot of shooters focus on realistic combat, Halo is still the one and only fun above realism shooter
Chances are that you've been yelled at already for saying this. I don't care much about this thread, certainly not enough to read 8 pages of it.

So that out of the way, you are very, very, very wrong.

TF2 and Brink come instantly to mind.