Marxie said:
And I've personally got 10 days in SIZO for calling Mr. President a ****. Fucking HOW does mine or yours suffering from a not very just system absolves said systems flaws?
"Oh, everyone gets fired if they piss off their employer!"
YES! And some time ago everyone got fired if they pissed off the Party, and somehow we found enough consciousness in ourselves to say "Hey guys, you know what? This is not right!"
So hyperbole, got it. By all means ... we should create a system where the
indebted, who
employ you at personal risk, can be ridiculed on their own private property or during public events? People have the right to ask you
to leave if you are not a fit rolemodel of the company. This is not some crime of the century. Pretending like an employer telling you that you're fired is equivalent to being thrown in jail because you said something mean about your Soviet Premier is HARDLY comparable.
If I had workers calling me a **** in my place of business, I would take them aside and tell them quite clearly that I am asking for their resignation. If only to spare them the embarassment of being told to
leave. Pretending this is equivalent to 3 years labour in a work camp is ridiculous.
My boss had a right to fire me. I lost my cool with some particularly stupid customers complaining about how their food got cold, because they ordered so much and I personally WARNED THEM that bringing out all the mains AT ONCE meant that some dishes would naturally be cold if eaten at the same rate of other dishes with a burner to keep them warm. I did not handle the situation
well. I would likely never do it again. I regretted what I said, even though what I said wasn't as mindlessly stupid or public as this. But my EMPLOYER would have
no ideas as to my regret. Would have
no idea whether I would say what I said again. And thus, why, you don't see me complaining that it was 'unjust'.
It's
not fair. But it's not
unjustified. There is a difference. Because we're humans... (natural exceptions for Uwe Boll apply).
Marxie said:
Well, if our society is AWWRIGHT and it's functioning does not produce any sort of conflicts - why is this entire feminism thing is a thing? Why, maybe because society IS flawed in a plenty of regards and people are looking for ways to right their wrongs?
What exactly would you write into
law that would stop employers from firing employees over what they say or do in the workforce? Or are we to assume that
any discourse should be welcome
anywhere, even on someone else's
private property or as a representative of a company?
Marxie said:
So, freedom of speech is not an issue if we delegate the punishing power from government to anyone else? Well, I will become rich, get me a monopoly in some field and will destroy careers and livelihood of anyone who says something I don't like. That would be totally cool, right?
Please stop pretending like you understand what freedom of speech is. Free expression does not stop you from being unemployable because of what you say. It stops a government from unjustly penalizing, or restraining you, for what you say. You have every right to talk .... I have every right to kick you off private property. You have every right to say what you want, you have no rights to me
paying you to say what you want to say. You have every right to say what you want to say, I have every right to not have to
listen to you.
If you're expecting me to grant you audience, payment, or protection of labour
regardless of what you say, you are effectively telling me that my rights to be
free of your garbage, my rights to choose my associations beyond the specifics of my obligations, are invalid. In which case, free speech is no longer free. It
costs someone their rights.
Marxie said:
Like Anita Sarkeesian says: "That is the problem"
I don't give a flying fuck what someone else has to say. It makes sense. That's enough.
