Nuclear Armageddon is here... (Wheres The Satellite?)

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Roffey123

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Therumancer said:
When it comes to other things that I mention as part of my overall militant attitudes, well Russia for example DID invade Georgia, they DID threaten poland over a defensive missle interception base, and they DID attempt to sway an election in Ukraine by poisoning a pro-western cantidate. None of that is paranoia, it all happened, and yeah with the global situation the way it is, I think we need to start being a bit more aggressive/assertive when it comes to our own interests and keeping our piece of the pie.


>>>----Therumancer--->
Perhaps if you had asserted that point of view without first announcing that you think that we should wipe NK off the map, I may have retorted with a sembilance of intelligence. If the entire world operated on Real Politik, then perhaps your views would work. But it doesn't.

And telling the world to go f*** themselves when the US has done something so clearly wrong would be a major mistake. Russia would certainly not go "Oh...OK" and go suck on its thumb. I also sincerely doubt China would appreciate a significant US force on the Korean Pennisula...or indeed several nukes landing on a country so near to its borders. In fact, that same fear caused the Chinese to enter the Korean war on the side of the Koreans in the Korean war...and look how that one turned out.

And let us not forget, it was Bush's "America will go it alone" policy that got you guys so hated in the first place.

Yes, by all means, brandish the big stick, but don't be suprised when several smaller sticks smash yours to pieces. Remember, the rest of the world out-numbers you, and no matter how shiny the US weapons are, expect to get your arses kicked if you ignore us at your peril.
 

Therumancer

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Therumancer said:
Quotey stuff.
Hmm, who has one of the biggest militant armies in the world... Oh, right. FUCKING NORTH KOREA!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army

Arming yourself with a twelve gauge and thinking like a frontiersman won't stop a god damn missile.

"Ma, them KOREANS fire a dang missile! Get my gun!"

You have an ARMY for fighting wars with. Give a gun to a civilian and you've got the human equal of a bee. He doesn't quite know what he's doing, but he'll fucking keel you!
Actually the right to bear arms is intended for use on our goverment as much as anything. The idea being that if somehow the goverment overcame the other safeguards inherant in the system and tried to oppress the people, by the time the smoke cleared, assuming the revolt failed, the US would be so devestated that it wouldn't wind up controlling anything close to what it wanted. It discourages oppression and is one of the things that keeps our society a free society. It should be noted that a lot of other nations like France that seem okay from the outside are NOT even close to America when it comes to freedom, although that gets into another whole debate.

The 12 gauge would be effective if say a group like China with a huge population overcame our army and navy and decided to invade the US with the intent of taking it over for living space and the resources here (we for example have a lot of farmland among other things. Just as the Iraqis and other peoples resist us, we could do the same thing to them, and be a serious pain in the nards. Again a deterrant for a very specific kind of situation.

You ARE correct that small arms in the hands of the people are ineffective against a WMD threat from someone who is simply out to destroy the US as opposed to occupy it. That is why we have interception systems/missle defense similar to the base we were building in Poland (not to mention the missles on planes, submarines, etc... which could be used the same way).

This is however a threat because such defenses could ultimatly fail, and once they have one working missle they can build more. This is why I have been advocating wasting North Korea. If we act now they probably are at best going to have half a dozen missles and I rate our chances of taking them out before they hit the US as being pretty bloody good. However if we just turn the other cheek later on they could build hundreds, or thousands of them, and the next thing we're looking at is a situation like Russia where they could swamp any anti-missle defenses we have.

What's more there is the whole issue of the fact that we told them not to do something, and they pretty much did it. If we let that go unchecked it means that other nations are going to be encouraged to do the same thing. If nobody takes the US seriously as a military threat we're in trouble. If we level North Korea (by this I mean bomb it out of existance, we won't need WMD, but could still flatten the place), and don't bother to occupy/police/rebuild/reform it, nations are going to talk a lot of crud about it, but ultimatly are going to think twice about messing with the US, or thumbing their nose at us if we tell them something.

At any rate, my pro-gun rant was something totally seperate from the North Korean issue. Maybe I wrote something badly, but I don't think I ever said that I somehow expected civilians with small arms to be a factor in North Korea's nuclear ICBM ambitions.

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KenzS

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Kimmy Jong is insane... He forced his people to take a shit on their lawn... Think Bush could've topped that?
 

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bipeo said:
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Dastardos said:
I love how a lot of people aren't worried about this at all, and believe North Korea is bluffing and in a few days this will all blow by.

And what if they aren't bluffing and launch the rocket, which gets shot down, and NK invades Japan? That's just what the world needs right now is another war...
Between this, the mayan thing, and the hardon collidor. I just don't care anymore. Maybe we will wipe are selves out. Then roaches take over and do a better job. We humans seem to not cut it.
what does the hadron collider have to do with it
It was a doomsday theory that the collider would create a black hole which would destroy the earth. He's just saying he's had enough of the "It's the end of the world. OMG!!!1!!111!!" stuff.
 

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Therumancer said:
Quotey stuff, again.
Actually, and I hate to prove Godwin's law here, but the Nazis started out as an armed militia.
It's just once they took over, they made sure that no one else has guns.
That second half is normally the only bit quoted by the NRA.

Militias can cause a hell of a lot of damage, as that shooting of police officers might suggest. However, if you're betting on holding back a major army (such as the NK or your own army), you're fresh outta luck.

It looks a lot easier in the movies and games.

I doubt a game where you're using a hunting rifle against an group of soldiers wielding assault rifles, a sniper and an APC would be very popular, mind you...
 

Dastardos

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Anonymouse said:
Okay maybe I just don't get it but who the fuck has the right to tell North Korea they can't do anything? America goes and does whatever the fuck it wants no matter who it hurts. Why is it different for NK?
Hypocritical bastards.
Kim Jong-Il seems like a likable enough fellow and I trust him more than that bastard Bush that you americans let in office for 8 FUCKING YEARS.
It is different for N. Korea because they aren't a superpower.
America can defy the United Nations (Like...Maybe the Iraq War?) because America is that powerful. What could the United Nations do to stop them? America is the most powerful country in the world.
Now N. Korea on the other hand isn't as powerful, has no muscle to flex, and therefor can't go around not listening to the United Nations without consequence. To bad that today they violated a U.N. Security Council Ruling...
 

The_Prophet

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I don't give a f*ck, I'm in Serbia.
Sometimes living in the most fucked up and unknown country of the world pays off :)
 

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Lyiat said:
Honestly? I'm more worried about... you know... radical Islam? You know, that religion that keeps publicly stating about how it wants to destroy every single other religion out there? Including those who don't follow religion? North Korea is a really small threat. They launch a single missile and we can just carpet bomb them to hell and back. Radical Islam? Well... tell me exactly how you plan on taking care of roughly a hundred million people in all portions of the globe.
Actually there are 1.4 billion muslims! And I agree, by the way!
 

Amarok

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Personally I don't think there will be a nuclear war, it's just unwise on a business point of view, so much land destroyed.

it's far more likely we'll move into biological warfare and start infecting enemy countries with super powerful viruses, we'll all kill each other off that way, methinks.
 

Mr. Pink

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Well, good thing I've been playing Fallout 3 for the last couple of months, I'm prepared for the wasteland!
 

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TheFacelessOne said:
I regret reading this. I have enough problems with the 2012 doom theory.
I wish people would stop listening to a group of Maya's who couldn't predict their own weather patterns well enough to avoid mass death by drout. And just because they had really good astronomy doesn't mean they knew some dark mysterious secret about the future.
 

StarStruckStrumpets

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Well...if anything does kick off, then there isn't much we can do.

Somebody said before that the major problems will be if everything is taken too far.
At least Yahtzee will be happy, all of the J-RPGs will be atomized.
 

D_987

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The rocket landed in the sea - I don't see what all the fuss was about...
 

Tech Team FTW!

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traceur_ said:
North Korea is asking for it. Seriously we should all the sane countries around the world together and bomb the fuck out of north North Korea.

Of course in Australia we're safe from everything, WE ARE INVINCIBLE. Yeh we'll just watch the fireworks. Can't touch this *exposes rear*.
It's not so much that we are invincible, but that we are isolated and have too small a population spread so sparsely mostly around the coastline of our entire continent. By the way, America has enough airpower to bomb North Korea back into the sea.