Nuclear Armageddon is here... (Wheres The Satellite?)

[vultureX21]

Shhh. There's no such thing as radical islam, its a peace loving religion, only a few fringe people believe in jihad, and those are cause we are mean to them by giving them billions in money for oil by oppressing them and supporting the terrorist nation of Israel.
/extreme sarcasm

Yeah I'm more worried about muhammed on a bus with a backpack bomb than the NK guys getting frisky in their part of the world.

And all Christians are totally rational and peace loving. So too is the Israeli Army in the Gaza Strip.

>.>

Because christians blow themselves up in markets to kill civilians and launch rockets or fly planes into the dome of the rock(or whatnot)... I think i'd take a radical Christian screaming at me than psycho achmed killing himself and others.
Islamic terror far exceeds any so called christian terrorism in the world.

Heck if hamas in gaza is launching rockets at my country i'd be pissy and do some butt kicking to...

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is complicated (understatement of the year) and the Palestinians aren't wrong when they accuse the Israelis of starting the conflict by moving in after World War II and assuming the right to control. Also, the Israelis aren't wrong when they say the Palestinians started it by being hostile to their relocation from the start, it really was a bad situation with a bloody outcome guaranteed from the start. Just don't be too quick to assume one side if bad and the other good, they both are guilty of terrible things.

If you want to check out a great book that discusses the Palestinian angle of the conflict's beginning look for "Wild Thorns." The author's name escapes me at the moment.

 

[ranc0re]

If you want to check out a great book that discusses the Palestinian angle of the conflict's beginning look for "Wild Thorns." The author's name escapes me at the moment.

Saher Khalifeh? I think. Something like that. It's an excellent read, though.

 

[Horned Rat]

I'm going to remember this post. When WW3 eventually does happen (I have no doubt it will one day) and if I'm still alive I'm hunting you down.

If there is going to be a third World War the most likely cause would be the efforts of an aggressive and overpopulated nation to assimilate (see: conquer) surrounding nations in the attempt to acquire more living space. In World War II the Nazi's referred to this as Lebensraum, which literally means "living space" or "habitat." This was the excuse for annexing the Sudetenland and invading Poland. Incidentally, though the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a catalyst, World War I had a lot to due with the dense population of Western Europe and the desire of the Germans and Austrians for more elbow room as well.

Simply put, a rogue nuclear capable nation is less likely than a nation seeking land and resources to accommodate it's population. This is a concern given the eventual apex of the world's sustainable human population, though it is difficult to calculate what that is. Still, we keep growing, so you have to figure we max out at some point.

So what you're saying is... in a week or 2 I don't have to buy Dastardos a beer?

But great point, World War isn't about one issue such as someone firing a satellite, it's the end result of a number of factors.

 

[PTSpyder]

Yes, you are the only one. That thing will not be able to reach anything worthwhile, maybe Japan, which would suck. But lets not forget that N korea couldn't build the warhead right to begin with.

 

[vultureX21]

I'm going to remember this post. When WW3 eventually does happen (I have no doubt it will one day) and if I'm still alive I'm hunting you down.

If there is going to be a third World War the most likely cause would be the efforts of an aggressive and overpopulated nation to assimilate (see: conquer) surrounding nations in the attempt to acquire more living space. In World War II the Nazi's referred to this as Lebensraum, which literally means "living space" or "habitat." This was the excuse for annexing the Sudetenland and invading Poland. Incidentally, though the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was a catalyst, World War I had a lot to due with the dense population of Western Europe and the desire of the Germans and Austrians for more elbow room as well.

Simply put, a rogue nuclear capable nation is less likely than a nation seeking land and resources to accommodate it's population. This is a concern given the eventual apex of the world's sustainable human population, though it is difficult to calculate what that is. Still, we keep growing, so you have to figure we max out at some point.

So what you're saying is... in a week or 2 I don't have to buy Dastardos a beer?

But great point, World War isn't about one issue such as someone firing a satellite, it's the end result of a number of factors.

Well, you could still buy him a beer out of sheer politeness and goodwill, I'd recommend a Guinness.

And yes, it takes a lot of factors to get a World War going, and at least two reasonably powerful allies per side to make it viable.

 

[vultureX21]

If you want to check out a great book that discusses the Palestinian angle of the conflict's beginning look for "Wild Thorns." The author's name escapes me at the moment.

Saher Khalifeh? I think. Something like that. It's an excellent read, though.

Still can't think of the author, but yes, a very well written and thought provoking book.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Because christians blow themselves up in markets to kill civilians and launch rockets or fly planes into the dome of the rock(or whatnot)... I think i'd take a radical Christian screaming at me than psycho achmed killing himself and others.
Islamic terror far exceeds any so called christian terrorism in the world.

Heck if hamas in gaza is launching rockets at my country i'd be pissy and do some butt kicking to...

Humm, I suppose you've never heard of the Ku Klux Klan, the Lord's Resistance Army, The National Liberation Front of Tripura, or, of course, the religious divide that plagues Ireland to this day. Terrorist acts are committed in the name of the Christian God, you just don't hear about them. Read up on it, it's interesting. I'm sure if the news reported on Christian fundamentalism as much as it does Islamic fundamentalists, you'd believe all white Christian men were going to strap on a backpack full of explosives and blow it up.

I don't want to go any further off topic, but your view is narrow and prejudiced. Sure, there are a lot of Islamic fundamentalists, but there are a lot of normal, down to earth Islamic people as well. A lot more. Go out to a diverse, multi-cultural city sometime and you'll see that not every single Arabic looking person is out to cleanse the world of infidels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army


And there's a wiki-article on the LRA in Uganda. Pretty terrifying.

KKK doesn't terrorize (at least any more) the LRA is hardly even Christian (from your link)The group adheres to a syncretistic[4] blend of Christianity, Mysticism,[5] Islam,[6] Ugandan traditional religion,[7] and witchcraft,[8] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition.[9][10][3][11] That's more of an excuse for violent anti government action. None of those really actively go out and attack targets outside their own country.
I look at many major attacks and it's islamic terrorism that is behind it. I in no way believe that all arabic people are bad but rather the terrorist within it. And my frustration with them bleeds over to the people that don't do jack about it!

You bet if the (made up) christian war front started attacking cities in mexico or canada that we would be kicking their ass and prosecuting them to the fullest. So why is it that pakistan Iran Saudi arabia all rest on their heels and allow Islamic terorist to operate? That's where I get my annoyance with the religion of islam and the people behind it. The fact that terrorism is almost accepted like a weird uncle in the family.

 

[Bratzzzzzz]

I'm just going to make an obligatory reference to the Large Hadron Collider now and just say that no one person's destructive impulses could rival our unknowing fucking around with the universe.

Although, it is the best excuse ever.

N. Korea "We are going to launch a Satellite at Japan. Do not struggle or we will send more satellites."

Japan "Don't satellites go into space and not AT a country?"

N. Korea "We just launched three more. enjoy having "enhanced" communications japan, you fuckwits"

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Have some of you forgotten that N. Korea has tested nuclear missiles that fell in the sea of japan or fell to launch. Plus America no longer needs to drop nuclear bombs any more since the U.S. Military came up with the M.O.A.B.. M.O.A.B. short for mother of all bombs has the destructive power of an Atom bomb without none of that cool radiation. Kim Jong-il is insane he truly believes himself to be a god. When he stopped smoking everyone in N. Korea stop smoking. He has convince his people if they go to the red cross they will be cannibalized.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. MOAB does not stand for Mother of All Bombs.It stands for Massive Ordnance Air Blast. Mother of All Bombs was a stupid term some idiot reporter coined. Fat Man had a yield of 21 kilotons while a MOAB has only a yield of 11 tons so wrong on all accounts. The MOAB is nothing more then a glorified smart bomb version of the Old Daisy Cutter which is what it replaced.

 

[Bratzzzzzz]

I'm sure it was actualy coined by people playing CNC generals, but you could be right

Wrong, wrong, wrong. MOAB does not stand for Mother of All Bombs.It stands for Massive Ordnance Air Blast. Mother of All Bombs was a stupid term some idiot reporter coined.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I'm sure it was actualy coined by people playing CNC generals, but you could be right

Wrong, wrong, wrong. MOAB does not stand for Mother of All Bombs.It stands for Massive Ordnance Air Blast. Mother of All Bombs was a stupid term some idiot reporter coined.

Aye I think it made the idea stick but I remember when the JCS revealed it that reporters were already calling it that because they are literally batshit retarded.

 

[ranc0re]

KKK doesn't terrorize (at least any more) the LRA is hardly even Christian (from your link)The group adheres to a syncretistic[4] blend of Christianity, Mysticism,[5] Islam,[6] Ugandan traditional religion,[7] and witchcraft,[8] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition.[9][10][3][11] That's more of an excuse for violent anti government action. None of those really actively go out and attack targets outside their own country.
I look at many major attacks and it's islamic terrorism that is behind it. I in no way believe that all arabic people are bad but rather the terrorist within it. And my frustration with them bleeds over to the people that don't do jack about it!

You bet if the (made up) christian war front started attacking cities in mexico or canada that we would be kicking their ass and prosecuting them to the fullest. So why is it that pakistan Iran Saudi arabia all rest on their heels and allow Islamic terorist to operate? That's where I get my annoyance with the religion of islam and the people behind it. The fact that terrorism is almost accepted like a weird uncle in the family.

"During an interview with IRIN, Vincent Otti was asked about the LRA's vision of an ideal government, to which he responded "Lord's Resistance Army is just the name of the movement, because we are fighting in the name of God. God is the one helping us in the bush. That's why we created this name, Lord's Resistance Army. And people always ask us, are we fighting for the [biblical] Ten Commandments of God. That is true - because the Ten Commandments of God is the constitution that God has given to the people of the world. All people. If you go to the constitution, nobody will accept people who steal, nobody could accept to go and take somebody's wife, nobody could accept to innocently kill, or whatever. The Ten Commandments carries all this." -Article

Sounds quite fundamentalist Christian to me.

And it is arguable that "Islamic terrorism" is "hardly even" Islamic, from a mainstream point of view. Anyways, I'm done talking about this in this thread. Let's let it get back on topic.

 

[Bratzzzzzz]

Aye thats true and it isn't even remotely as powerful as a nuclear weapon. Fat Man had a yield of 21 kilotons while a MOAB has only a yield of 11 tons.

It was good at taking out GLA scum so it's all good

 

[Horned Rat]

Well, you could still buy him a beer out of sheer politeness and goodwill, I'd recommend a Guinness.

And yes, it takes a lot of factors to get a World War going, and at least two reasonably powerful allies per side to make it viable.

Guinness... A man with taste.

So am I right in assuming you agree that the worst we will get, assuming said rockets are launched is a skirmish.

Japan shoots down rocket. NK bomb Japan anti-missile fleet. Possible retaliation. Then everyone begging for peace. I very highly doubt the USA will get involved in another war considering their reputation as of late. China... maybe but probably not at the risk of getting the USA involved. Russia, well their aren't going to care. Conflict over.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Aye thats true and it isn't even remotely as powerful as a nuclear weapon. Fat Man had a yield of 21 kilotons while a MOAB has only a yield of 11 tons.

It was good at taking out GLA scum so it's all good

I personally preferred the Daisy Cutter in World in Conflict just because seeing trees and people flying through the air on fire is so badass.

 

[Bratzzzzzz]

Aye thats true and it isn't even remotely as powerful as a nuclear weapon. Fat Man had a yield of 21 kilotons while a MOAB has only a yield of 11 tons.

It was good at taking out GLA scum so it's all good

I personally preferred the Daisy Cutter in World in Conflict just because seeing trees and people flying through the air on fire is so badass.

Strafing runs ftw. That game had the best method i have seen for tactical support, nothing better than seeing a soviet column dissapear under perfectly timed airstrikes

 

[vultureX21]

Well, you could still buy him a beer out of sheer politeness and goodwill, I'd recommend a Guinness.

And yes, it takes a lot of factors to get a World War going, and at least two reasonably powerful allies per side to make it viable.

Guinness... A man with taste.

So am I right in assuming you agree that the worst we will get, assuming said rockets are launched is a skirmish.

Japan shoots down rocket. NK bomb Japan anti-missile fleet. Possible retaliation. Then everyone begging for peace. I very highly doubt the USA will get involved in another war considering their reputation as of late. China... maybe but probably not at the risk of getting the USA involved. Russia, well their aren't going to care. Conflict over.

I wouldn't even bank on a skirmish unless Jong-Il does something outrageously stupid like trying to shoot down a foreign satellite in retaliation or mobilizing ground troops in a threatening "flex the muscles" sort of way. IF Jong-Il does retaliate in some manner he will find North Korea invaded so fast he won't have time to jump in the Big Boy spaceship and start his cryogenic freeze, no one in that region is going to tolerate any action on his part.

 

[GreyEarth]

OK! Stop the world, I wanna get off!!

 

[Roamin11]

Oh no I forgot to make my reservation at Vault TEC!!!

On topic, North Korea wants to flex its guns, let it, it wanted to test some nukes a while ago and everyone was like "No or we will intervene" but they did the test and there was no penalty.... Appeasement it?s a good thing!!!!

 

[RavingPenguin]

If its a weapon, we shoot it down. If its not we leave it alone, problem solved. Obviously we tell the difference by whether or not it goes towards space or not.
If it does hit, North Korea is gonna be in some deep shit, what with the entire freakin planet telling them not to and all.