Dastardos said:
Therumancer said:
Actually if we fought North Korea like a real war and simply decimated the place instead of trying to walk in and police it, we could make some progress, and send a message to the rest of the world.
At any rate, all we can do is wait and see how things play out.
That would be incredibly stupid.
Do you think no one would care if we did this?
Doubtlessly people would care, and that would be the point.
The fact that we don't do things like this is why nobody takes us seriously. Nobody fears America which is why we are slipping. Push and America backs down. If we respond it's ineffective because of our morality and we get involved in a gueriella war that does as much damage to us as if we had simply chosen to do nothing.
The thing is our nation is currently full of cowardly "peace at any price" liberals with no conception of reality. Russia just invaded Georgia, threatened to nuke Poland over us building a defensive missle site for them there, and rather blatently tried to assasinate a pro-american leader in Ukraine... all with no repercussions. Why was there no repercussions pray tell? Because people are scared of Russia because Russia will strike back hard and people figure it's best not to provoke them.
Our prosperity and lifestyle is directly proportionate to our military dominance and using that dominance to ensure trade and world policy on our terms. As that slips, so does our success, leading to more power and resources going to the competition (like China).
North Korea has basically just threatened to launch a nuke, we warned them off. They are unlikely to listen because they figure we aren't going to do crap about it, and if we do it's going to cause an even bigger mess for us because of how we do business. They aren't scared of the US and don't take us seriously.
If we turn around and decimate North Korea as a result, and then just go "meh" when confronted with the dead civilians and such (unlike our usual response) the rest of the world is going to respond with outrage up until the point we send the clear message that
we really don't give a cr@p anymore. As a result everyone will start taking their relations with us more seriously (as opposed to sneaking behind our back to violate sanctions through things like the "Oil For Food" program), and our prosperity will increase.
The rest of the world isn't going to gang up on the US. We have the firepower to destroy the world twenty times over, at least at the moment. The world can't push because if they do so too hard it's the equivilent of putting a gun up to their head and pulling the trigger. According to the most pessimistic estimates the US has like a mere 20% chance of surviving in anything close to an intact condition if we were to engage the entire world simultaneously with WMD. This includes enviromental fallout. That's not good until you consider that the odds of the rest of the world surviving are 0%.
Under the circumstances we might as well act like it. China rattles their sabers and gets respect and increases in power. Russia invades and assinates and gets respect and increases in power. Well heck, let's stop being wusses and remind people why America is in charge and that we're trying to be nice when it comes to things like "The War On Terror" we don't HAVE to use kid gloves. If North Korea pushes they are an ideal target for a reminder.
I understand many others are going to disagree, after all I am a militant, and that is not as common an attitude as it should be. But honestly I feel the US is getting kicked around like a Hackey Sack and I'm tired of it. I mean honestly, how many times do we have to turn the other cheek, or engage in ineffective police actions to try and make some kind of obtuse moral point that only matters to liberal armchair acaademics.
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