Nudity

[Wolfram23]

Hmm I'm thinking here, there's been many people saying, well, nudity doesn't have to equal sex or sexuality. But the problem with that is that thinking of all the women featured in games... they're pretty much all hot. No matter the context, if they're nude the boys will be drooling. If you played Heavy Rain and got Madison to take a shower it wasn't "sexual" but it was still like... "oh yeah! Sexy ass!"

 

[L4hlborg]

Let's face it most of the people that hung on to the idea that Mass Effect was an evil game would never buy a videogame at all in any case. And (sadly) I bet there were a sizable pile of people that bought the game because there was nudity in it.

I'd say that is bad publicity for a game that tries to have the image of a mature (as in mature and not tits and gore mature) space adventure gane.

Besides, people who would never buy videogames are the people who started screaming when MOH had Talibaan in the multiplayer and will keep on removing other interesting aspects from games. Having evil games about lesbian alien sex kinda feeds their ideas of all games being evil. If Fox news would have made a show on the misunderstanding and clearly state that the game is not about alien lesbian sex, "where the player controls every action", it might have caused some attitude changes.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Hmm I'm thinking here, there's been many people saying, well, nudity doesn't have to equal sex or sexuality. But the problem with that is that thinking of all the women featured in games... they're pretty much all hot. No matter the context, if they're nude the boys will be drooling. If you played Heavy Rain and got Madison to take a shower it wasn't "sexual" but it was still like... "oh yeah! Sexy ass!"

Who says nudity have to be of the female variety?
And yeah the fact that the gaming industry makes every female a supermodel is another huge problem, admittedly, they have started to improve over the last few years, see Alyx Vance and Commander Shepard as two good examples of women that are not sexualized.
That said, these exaples are still few and far between.

 

[Emergent System]

Yes last week I saw a picture of some naked chick on the front page of a nation-wide newspaper here in Norway and nobody seemed to care.

Only crazy americans care about nudity, but sadly they're expirting their culture to the rest of the world very effectively

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'd say that is bad publicity for a game that tries to have the image of a mature (as in mature and not tits and gore mature) space adventure gane.

Besides, people who would never buy videogames are the people who started screaming when MOH had Talibaan in the multiplayer and will keep on removing other interesting aspects from games. Having evil games about lesbian alien sex kinda feeds their ideas of all games being evil. If Fox news would have made a show on the misunderstanding and clearly state that the game is not about alien lesbian sex, "where the player controls every action", it might have caused some attitude changes.

Yes it's bad publicity, wich is why they did it "better" in ME2.
But the point that some people think that video games come from mail order directly from hell with a Satan certified stamp is, as Yahtzee points out, the very same kind of people that tried prove the same thing about books, theatre, radio, TV, movies, etc.
There will always be close-minded people like that, as much as I wish there wouldn't be.

 

[carpathic]

Because we are prudes?

Not sure, all I know is I love nudity and simply cannot get enough of it.

 

[mechanixis]

So why is violence considered better than nudity?

Because I guess you can do more with pictures and scenes with nude people.

I like this theory.

 

[GrinningManiac]

Personally, I'm all for it.

I'm not a bible-basher or anyone. I don't think nudity or "GASP" the idea that people are capable of having SEX!!!!!!!!!! is immoral or evil, I just don't like seeing it when I'm trying to play a game or watch a film

Case and point, that random rave/sex scene in the second (or third?) Matrix film. Completley pointless and uncomfertable

I also didn't like all the swearing in Mafia 2. It just made it uncomfertable to play around other people. Also, is it just me, or does bleeping out swearwords make things funnier?

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Also, is it just me, or does bleeping out swearwords make things funnier?

Actually I think it's one of the most annoyning things one could do, because with the *BEEP* you know for certain that they were swearing, while an un-censored quiet "bollocks" probably is just as likely to slip by unnoticed.

 

[Le_Lisra]

As the great George Carlin said:

Make fuck, not kill.

 

[icame]

I've learned to accept it because people get angry over much, much! stupider things

 

[Hollock]

Last year in my Current Events class we were watching a video that featured a guy beating an seal to death, about half the class laughed and cheered. 30 seconds later they show a picture of Adam and Eve, they voiced their dissapproval. So the answer is simple violence is good, nuditys bad. Ed good, Rocko bad.

 

[HijiriOni]

I don't know but I like the fact that video games are now finally starting to push this envelope forward. What's really funny is other countries actually have less laws regarding it then the US.

The US we have this deafening screeching noise called "Think of the Children!" or "My child plays video games they must be censored"

Yet the video games clearly state they are intended for X age group and contain X things. If parents don't want their children being exposed...maybe they should do their jobs as parents and actually take a small interest in what their child does.

What's more amazing is parents accept anime as "cartoons for kids" and none of them know about La Blue Girl, Urotsukidoji: Legend of The Overfiend, or so many others. I was watching these things when I was 12 because Hastings didn't ID 12 year olds for anime.

 

[clockout]

Did Dante's inferno get a media ***** slap for their "content" or was it okay?

As for Mass Effect's lil love scene, well that was just plain ol fun controversy to watch unfold. Hell It would have been even better if Liara or Ashly said

"I don't think THATS gonna fit in their Shepard."

Anywho, lets just the media run wild and do our best to keep our integrity when defending it.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I have often thought of this myself ... personally I think the world would be a better place if public nudity wasn't a taboo. I mean it's not really obscene. Romans had communal open-air toilets where people would discuss philosophy and politics whilst emptying their bowels.

I mean I can understand why people may choose not to be nude. It might be too cold, and clothes protect from the sun as well as other environmental conditions. But geeze ... surely it shouldn't be a crime to take a stroll in public nude.

You're not hurting anybody, and you're not inconveniencing others ...

Humanity should lose all it's modesty ... otherwise we'll never know true freedom o.o

 

[justjrandomuser]

I would say this is an American thing. I have asked this exact same question of other media like movies and television. This would make a great topic for EC to cover sometime. Europe (when last we visited) was more the opposite. In America Jack Bower can shoot a President or drown a bag of puppies as long as its on at the right time. You can show murder, shootings, and other drama anytime but if someone catches so much as a nipple the country falls apart. Even reality or educational shows cannot show simple things like a woman breastfeeding without blurring out a potential nipple slip. In the U.S. dead bodies are more acceptable than boobs.

When we were in Europe however the attitude toward nudity was much more casual. It was nothing for a passing bus to sport an advertisement featuring a topless model. On the whole I would say the original programming still had violence but it seemed less central to overall plots. Television and commercials showed nudity in such a casual fashion that it never seemed like that big of a deal.

Personally, I would rather my children be exposed to some womans breasts in a deodorant commercial than watch someone get shot, or watch a highly emotional but carefully edited rape scene common to many TV shows.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Slayer_2]

Better example: in Fallout 3, you can kill, decapitate, amputate, vaporize, and mutilate enemies in a variety of ways, but a bit of nudity or sex is a no-go. Pay for a hooker, and you sleep in the same bed (and nothing else). Strip a character of their clothes, and they still have magical underwear that is grafted onto their skin. I got some mods to fix the latter, as I don't use the prostitutes.

I fail to see how putting a bullet into the brain of a defenseless captive or nuking a city full of people is "better" than some nudity or sex.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I don't agree with it, but I think the "logic" is that kids probably won't murder each other based on a game, but they might go have sex and end up with a little vomit launcher that no one wants.

That said, in game nudity would probably be quite horrifying, so be careful what you wish for.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Did Dante's inferno get a media ***** slap for their "content" or was it okay?

As for Mass Effect's lil love scene, well that was just plain ol fun controversy to watch unfold. Hell It would have been even better if Liara or Ashly said

"I don't think THATS gonna fit in their Shepard."

Anywho, lets just the media run wild and do our best to keep our integrity when defending it.

Did you know that both Mass Effect games have voice files for homosexual Shepard, not counting FemShep+Liara.
Presumably Bioware decided to bury them in the game files because it would be "to controversial" to have homosexual reletionships 200 years in the future as opposed to having it in a fantasy world i.e. Dragon Age.

Humanity should lose all it's modesty ... otherwise we'll never know true freedom o.o

Or at the very least some of it.

I would say this is an American thing. I have asked this exact same question of other media like movies and television. This would make a great topic for EC to cover sometime. Europe (when last we visited) was more the opposite. In America Jack Bower can shoot a President or drown a bag of puppies as long as its on at the right time. You can show murder, shootings, and other drama anytime but if someone catches so much as a nipple the country falls apart. Even reality or educational shows cannot show simple things like a woman breastfeeding without blurring out a potential nipple slip. In the U.S. dead bodies are more acceptable than boobs.

When we were in Europe however the attitude toward nudity was much more casual. It was nothing for a passing bus to sport an advertisement featuring a topless model. On the whole I would say the original programming still had violence but it seemed less central to overall plots. Television and commercials showed nudity in such a casual fashion that it never seemed like that big of a deal.

Personally, I would rather my children be exposed to some womans breasts in a deodorant commercial than watch someone get shot, or watch a highly emotional but carefully edited rape scene common to many TV shows.

Just my 2 cents.

Reading this kinda makes me happy that I'm living in Europe. No offense meant to anyone.

 

[EvilMaggot]

Mass Effect 1 & 2 alien sex woohoo !