Obama may re-instate the ban on assault weapons.

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Aries_Split

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Gormourn said:
Aries_Split said:
Gormourn said:
Samurai Goomba said:
LimaBravo said:
No one should own a gun never mind a automatic weapon.

If the yanks really must be armed at least keep em semi-automatic personally Id limit them to bolt and single barreled.
They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.

Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?

Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.

Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!


Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
I wasn't aware that a rock was as deadly as a gun at any range. Also, I suggest you also remove all your limbs and your head because they are potentially lethal weapons. Hur hur!

Isn't it a great argument?

No.
Seriously.

I believe we need to have hand grenades.

I mean, we can't have a militia without hand grenades.

A militia won't just start up.
How can we militia...things without the proper hand grenades?

We can't regulate our well regulated militia. It says so in the piece of paper written 200 years ago.
Why stop at hand grenades! What the USA "militia" needs are tinfoil hats, tanks, nukes, a few carrier ships, a bunch of fighter planes and mustard gas to equalize the difference.
Mustard gas? Fuck mustard gas! We need that ketchup shit!
 

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SODAssault said:
People may contend that pistols are too hard to use, and that assault rifles should be allowed for those of us not skilled enough to use a pistol effectively.

Are you for or against a ban on assault weapons?
Because giving access to rapid fire to these kinds of people is somehow a good thing?

Yes, i would be for a ban on assault weapons.
It's not necessary at all, however you will be screwed when the zombie apocalypse comes.
 

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im in the military and im not even trusted with more that a vietnam era M-16 thats been converted to an A2 and jams every 5 rounds. why should civilians have an AK-47s (much better weapon) when our military isnt allowed to have them?
so yeah
ban on assault rifles? YES!
 

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Samurai Goomba said:
LimaBravo said:
No one should own a gun never mind a automatic weapon.

If the yanks really must be armed at least keep em semi-automatic personally Id limit them to bolt and single barreled.
They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.

Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?

Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.

Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!


Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
Okay, I think this argument is totally ridiculous. You could kill someone with practically anything you can lay your hands on, you cannot compare the violence of a rock to a gun. I don't understand why Americans are more concerned about giving up their penis extensions than helping to control just how scarily easy it is for gangs and criminals to aqquire guns.
 

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Gormourn said:
If that's true, that's extremely sad. What about tanks and flamethrowers though? Maybe I should totally move to USA and apply to own a few nukes. Totally not to try to conquer the world or get rid of people I don't like... ahem.
Seeing as the Fire Dept. has flamethrowers for controlled burns, I'm not sure you even need to register those. You can certainly buy tanks. I don't know if the cannon needs to be registered if you get one that hasn't been rendered inoperable. I do believe you're not allowed to drive treaded vehicles on public roads, though, which is why collectors tend to buy stuff like British Ferrets. Usually around $40k or so.

I don't think it's sad, rather that it's absolutely hilarious in the context of the AWB.
 

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Gormourn said:
Samurai Goomba said:
LimaBravo said:
No one should own a gun never mind a automatic weapon.

If the yanks really must be armed at least keep em semi-automatic personally Id limit them to bolt and single barreled.
They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.

Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?

Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.

Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!


Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
I wasn't aware that a rock was as deadly as a gun at any range. Also, I suggest you also remove all your limbs and your head because they are potentially lethal weapons. Hur hur!

Isn't it a great argument?

No.
Of course the deaths per year caused by rocks IS FAR FAR FAR greater than those caused by idiots with guns :D At least america can regulate its own population of idiots by passing out suitable weapons to kill eachother. Hurah for deadly weapons on every street.
 

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stinkychops said:
Doug said:
Gormourn said:
I'd say he does.

And I think I'm having a deja-vu. I swear I've answered a topic like this a long time ago, and the first two posters said the same thing as they did right now. Whoa.

And yeah... Whether you agree or not with the whole "give guns to everyone for self defense" idea, where do assault weapons come into equation?

I could understand hand guns, hunting rifles and maybe shotguns... but anything other then that... No. Especially not in civilian hands. It's like buying a minigun or a flamethrower for self defense.
I need my Aircraft carrier purely for self defence! I'm not planning to bomb Luxembourgh...honest....well, maybe just alittle
They've had it too good for too long.
I'd assume one fighter plane could actually destroy all of Luxembourgh.
Yes, but I lack an airbase, so I need the whole aircraft carrier to get them there ;)
 

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hannahdonno said:
you cannot compare the violence of a rock to a gun.
Have you seen a stoning?
Being shot is considerably nicer, rocks are pretty violent.

Flippancy of the argument aside for one second.
 

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I for one am against the banning of assault rifles.

And for those of you who are saying "Sure Obama has the right. He's the president." that's crap. One man in a seat of authority should not have the power to trump the ideas of millions.
 

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There is a reason so many people are beeing shot in the USA, because guns are way to easy to get a hold of there..

Stricter laws should be enforced upon guns..
 
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stinkychops said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Why do civilians need assault rifles anyway, to protect themselves from 200 burglars at the same time?

Really if you want like a handgun or something to protect your family that's fine by me, but an assault rifle seems like a tad too much.
To protect themselves from the people who bought assault rifles through the same laws.
It's a viscous cycle.
And of course the Mexicans.
Damn those crafty Mexicans, with their sombreros, tequila and minimum wage paying jobs!
 

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somedude98 said:
Gormourn said:
Samurai Goomba said:
LimaBravo said:
No one should own a gun never mind a automatic weapon.

If the yanks really must be armed at least keep em semi-automatic personally Id limit them to bolt and single barreled.
They already ARE semi-automatic. Learn something about our existing firearm laws. Assault rifles in America are NOT full auto, unless you get a special permit which is difficult to obtain.

Nobody should own a gun? Why stop there? What about bows? What about catapults? What about swords, axes, heavy sticks, rocks, knives, and everything just a little bit sharp that could be used to kill somebody?

Weapons are all around us, it's just that some are more political than others. Guns are easy to use, but so are rocks.

Tomorrow I'm marching down to city hall and proposing a ban on rocks! Everyone with me remember to vote this issue through to protect our kids!


Vote with me and we can rid our streets of THIS.
I wasn't aware that a rock was as deadly as a gun at any range. Also, I suggest you also remove all your limbs and your head because they are potentially lethal weapons. Hur hur!

Isn't it a great argument?

No.
Of course the deaths per year caused by rocks IS FAR FAR FAR greater than those caused by idiots with guns :D At least america can regulate its own population of idiots by passing out suitable weapons to kill eachother. Hurah for deadly weapons on every street.
Way to ruin a good comedy bit, folks.

But anyway, yeah, rocks don't stack up to guns. But cars absolutely do. There are way more deaths due to cars than to "assault rifles" in America, and we just hand out licenses by the truckload. Cars, like guns, are relatively easy to use and extremely dangerous.

Then there's the fact that the assault rifle ban doesn't target all semi-auto rifles, but only those that have been arbitrarily designated as evil, scary and wicked by whichever political group proposed the ban. So it's not even going to effectively limit the types of rifles people can buy, just which models.

I still wanna see rocks banned, though. Watching law enforcement round them up would be fun.

"Excuse me, sir, do you have a license for that rock on your lawn there. No? What?!? Ah ha! Caught you, terrorist! Spread 'em! You're going to jail for a loooong time."
 

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I don't post often but I figured I'd raise a few points, I apologize in advance for length- I like to be thourough. First, in the interest of full disclosure, I am a firearm enthusiast and have used small calibre rifles, higher gauge shotguns(12 +20) and air rifles that are qualified as firearms. I have a license to own and purchase non restricted fireamrs. I am also Canadian, so I think that mght give me a differing perspective on firearm regulation in a place that is not as liberal with such regulations as the United States. I am not sure exactly what the nature of firearms law in the United States is, from my understanding it is regulated mostly on a State to State basis, with a broad over -arching federal structure in place as well. In Canada, for purposes of comparison, our firearm ownership is regulated exclusively at the federal level by the Firearms Act and Criminal Code. There are three types of categories: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. All levels require an extensive training course and mandatory registry of any firearms that are purchased. Non restricted firearms are basically hunting rifles(within a certain size), shotguns(within a certain size) and anything that fires a projectile at 500+ FPS(air rifles etc.). Assault rifles(if fully automatic) fall under the category of prohibited weapons. Nobody outside of law enforcement or military is permitted to possess them. We have no provision in our Constitution entitling use to bear arms or no similr specific section for it(as far as I'm aware).

(Source: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a1)


My understanding of the debate over the Second Amendment is that it is rather complex, incorporating both vital legal principles as well as historical values that arose in the process of American Independence. I think it would be important to put down here the actual wording of the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html)

The leading case on the matter is District of Columbia v. Heller where the Supreme Court finally ruled on the nagging issue of the language and grammer used in the Second Amendment. The issue was whether the first comma implied a collective right of the people to own and bear arms as opposed to an individual right. The importance of this distinguishment being that if the right was collective, it would only be appropriate for an individual to bear arms in the process of being part of a militia whereas an individual right would entitle the indivdual, without prequisite membership in a militia, to keep and bear arms.

So, how is this related to the thread you ask? Firstly- the historical principle behind civilian ownership of arms in the United States arise out of libertarian concerns of government interference. Literally, back when the Constitution was made, it was considered a good idea for citizens to be armed to control the scope of government. I don't think you can blame their mistrust in government either- the King was pretty oppressive. Secondly, Heller, established something else- that the purpose of the Second Amendment was individual protection(self defence). Quoting the majority opinion here:

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home".

So the question then becomes(from a more legal perspective), is the ownership of an assault rifle consistent with the purposes of the second amendment:namely self defence. A more philosophical question would be "self-defence from whom?" Is it still necessary to have an armed citizenry to curtail government? Does government even have the right to strip citizens of methods of resistance? Will the time ever come for the next American revolution?

I can't answer these questions, not without making this post even longer than it already is! For what it's worth, I don't think it is necessary for the purposes of self defence to have an assault rifle but I don't think the government should be able to cuurtail individual rights so as to prohibit their ownership. You can always heavily regulate it, or regulate the ammunition without denying the right of ownership. Sorry for the long post.
 

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Tenmar said:
Well the thing is when it comes to the people who actually use guns in their daily lives for activities like hunting or sport are not using what the military uses or even what people use at the shooting range.

Most people who own a gun for hunting and sport are using handguns, shotgun and hunting rifles. Nowhere near the level of power of your everyday assault weapon. So the only people that a ban like this would hurt is someone who sells these guns to defense contractors and even then it probably won't hurt them because they work for the federal government.

So if he bans assault weapons it can only really help, and this is coming from a right-winger.
Erm, I would argue that a hunting rifle is more powerful than the 'assault' weapons in question. Hunting cartridges are usually stuff like 30.06, .308, .300 WinMag, stuff in that .30 cal range. The AR-15 typically uses the measly .223 cartridge. The AK's 7.62x39 is ballistically similar to a .357 Mag, IIRC. I would rather take a hit from an AR than I would from your typical hunting rifle, or 12ga shotgun, or large caliber pistol. (Pistol hunters generally use .357 or .44 magnum - ouch!)

And I tend to be left-leaning on many issues, so I cancel you out. :p
 

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i live in Belgium and here we don't have weapons and it is even safer than in America
and guns are good enough for civilians and every gun can be used by the burglar so if you have 1 the burglar might have one 2