You don't have to know how to fuck up the global economy. If you have as much power as the United States president, all you have to not know is how to keep it stable to send things downhill. Not saying it was his fault. This kind of recession is natural to a capitalistic system. It's a combination of a lot of factors, with Bush's policies among them. But claiming that it can't be Bush's fault because he wouldn't be able to do it if he tried is ludicrous. He just might be able to do it if he didn't try.BallPtPenTheif said:um, yeah... that was a wiki quote that used the term "advocates", not my words. you're initial point was that all they did was voter registration which wasn't true. and it's good to see that you finally agree that the broken economy was a group effort and not just a republican issue.Cheeze_Pavilion said:Then why did it cause a meltdown now? The Democrats encouraged it with the Community Reinvestment Act, which has been around since 1977. The Bush Zero Down Payment Initiative has been around since 2004. If you think the meltdown has to do with 'politicians pushing home ownership' (HINT: it had nothing to do with it, it's all the other stuff you mentioned), doesn't it seem Democrats did it in a responsible manner, and Republicans didn't?BallPtPenTheif said:1) Wrong.. most politicians no matter their party touted the importance of home ownership since it was an ideology put forward by Greenspan. That's why pointing the finger at either side is naive and partisan. All of Congress botched this up and both parties ultimately supported the bail out, complete with pork.
"advocates" =/= strong arm.2) Wrong... from wiki, "ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is a community-based organization that advocates for low- and moderate-income families by working on neighborhood safety, voter registration, health care, affordable housing, and other social issues."
oh, and the economy collapsed now because the shit eventually hit the fan. you should be blaming the shit thrower though, not the guy currently holding the fan. Bush fucked up a lot of things but he's not smart enough to know how to fuck up a global economy.
EDIT: And yeah, if you're going to cite sources, make sure they agree with you. Cheeze is right. Your quote from the wiki says "advocates," whereas you say "strong arms." They aren't the same thing. You have no support for that assertion.