I like Obama, but every politician who has risen to the top is a snake. Its impossible to be successful in politics without being a bit of a liar and a dick.
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He's going to have to face up to the fact that the President doesn't get to vote "present." I remember Clinton getting crap for a lot of waffling and hedging during his first year and expect more of the same. At least this man is telegenic and speaks coherently.
Meet the new boss...
...Same as the old boss.
We've got a very popular president elect who was elected on an absence of an agenda coming in the middle of economic problems right after an administration that ALREADY expanded the government's power way beyond uncomfortable.
We are utterly screwed.
...Same as the old boss.
We've got a very popular president elect who was elected on an absence of an agenda coming in the middle of economic problems right after an administration that ALREADY expanded the government's power way beyond uncomfortable.
We are utterly screwed.
I'd be more concerned his marxist tendancies, anti-gun lobbying, having the most liberal voting record in Senate history, and having absolutely no executive experience, plus less than a term in the senate, but whatever.Sgt.Looney said:
I really hope everyone gets really pissed off about this forum and it turns into a political fistfight.
I voted for him and I am very cautiously optimistic. I do not trust the government on general principle. But I hope that Obama will at least make life a little more livable for the middle class people of this nation. If things get any worse then they are in the netx year we are all going to be pretty screwed.
Do you really want him to have a massive economic failure? Really?Anomynous 167 said:
BTW, Clinton had the best two terms economically than any President for around forty or so years before him.
Why not? Do people really need assault rifles and other military grade weaponry? I can understand shotguns, hunting rifles, and pistols. But why do people need machine guns and crap like that? Come on now, really. Why?Sgt.Looney said:
With his anti-gun record? No fuckin' way. When he does anything, people will be too caught up in his awesomeness to notice, even if he goes off, bans all guns, institutes martial law and bones his intern. People shouldn't be worshipping him, they should be questioning him constantly, even before he toakes office. Attitudes like those we have now are what brought us Julius Ceasar.
...Like President Garfield?4thegreatergood said:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see someone already pointed that out.
Like we questioned Bush constantly? Like that did any good on all the crap he pulled. I don't know about you but I would rather have a President like Clinton getting some nookie in the Oval Office than one like Bush kidnapping people, spying on Americans and making illegal prison camps in foreign nations. But that is just me.steveo_justice said:
Also, the idea of Obama banning ALL guns is just mentally retarded. Martial Law? Where did that come from? What is your point really?
Yah, right. How can you prove that one at all? That is like some republican saying that the good economic years that Clinton presided over were really all Bush Sr.'s doing. Sure he did not do it all himself, but I am sure he did have a positive effect.Nevins said:
And on the flip side, does your logic also say that the bad economy that Bush Jr. presided over was just a dose of bad luck and that he had nothing to do with it?
I'm very worried about Obama. Personally, I think it will be a terrible time fiscally for our government. One cannot heavily tax businesses and expect growth, creation of jobs, and creation of wealth. Of course he doesn't want creation of wealth. It'll be as bad, if not worse, than Carter's time in office.
In foreign policy, I'm interested in seeing what he does. I think he's weak, but I hope he'll surprise me.
Personally, I think his biggest claim will be one that is only important in that it is a milestone. That is his being the first black president in office. Beyond that, I just don't think he's going to be a good president for the country.
In foreign policy, I'm interested in seeing what he does. I think he's weak, but I hope he'll surprise me.
Personally, I think his biggest claim will be one that is only important in that it is a milestone. That is his being the first black president in office. Beyond that, I just don't think he's going to be a good president for the country.
You do know that he is giving pretty significant tax cuts to small business right? Even against the protests of the other Democrats. And why would he not want the creation of wealth? Why do you assume that? His platform was lifting the middle class up. If you are talking about more wealth for the all ready wealthy, then yes, I doubt he will be fighting for that much.Mythbhavd said:
"They love you because...well...they need you right now....But when they don't...they'll cast you out...like a leper."
------------------------------------Guess who???
-I'll add a little addendum to that quote: "When the people who voted for you find out that you can't give them what they want when they want it...."
-Already Obama is apologizing to his constituents who elected him (many of them uneducated who thought he would be put in office immediately).
-I don't think Obama's approval rating will slip below Bush's, but it will not be pretty after 4 yours. I also anticipate Hilary staging a coup and beginning to campaign for President again in 2011.
------------------------------------Guess who???
-I'll add a little addendum to that quote: "When the people who voted for you find out that you can't give them what they want when they want it...."
-Already Obama is apologizing to his constituents who elected him (many of them uneducated who thought he would be put in office immediately).
-I don't think Obama's approval rating will slip below Bush's, but it will not be pretty after 4 yours. I also anticipate Hilary staging a coup and beginning to campaign for President again in 2011.
Those with wealth create wealth. He is more focused on spreading wealth around than creating new wealth. He has proposed a few short term tax cuts for small businesses, but his definition of small business hasn't really been described yet. Larger corporations, those that can create the most jobs and who tend to create the wealth are the ones he wants to target for tax hikes and unsightly ones at that. His tax goals are as high as, if not higher, than those imposed by Carter.axia777 said:
I watched my dad struggle through one lay-off after another during Carter's time in office because DuPont was under such a heavy tax strain. It was a relief when he got out. Obama is no different in his stated beliefs. Spreading the wealth is never a good idea. Encouraging people to be creative, start new businesses, and be responsible for earning wealth is.
All I have to say is look at how the current rich people/corporations are treating the workers of today. Not very well all in all. Shipping jobs out of America, cutting pensions to nothing, and all the other crap they do. Cutting their taxes has done nothing except encourage them to spend the money on more bonuses for their executives and a few more Leer jets. So what is there to defend again? Not much as far as I can see. Let the executives take a major wage cut instead of the workers when they get a higher tax rate for their companies.Mythbhavd said: