Obama

[TerraMGP]

Yikes friend! I've heard that kind of talk from some of my more "crazy" liberal friends, and it ends up with a story about how the jews are running the illuminati, who are running the country by putting chemicals in our food to make us more maleable, and then they tie it back to 9/11 and how it was all a conspiracy. I'm not trying to chuck your point out the window, but I've heard it a lot. I mean a LOT! From a bunch of different people. It's kinda scary how some loons can get on the internet and tell stories and people will just swallow it whole.

If that's not where you'd go with it, then we're cool. You seemed to have researched the subject and formed an opinion on it, which is a lot more than most people care to do. I salute you sir.

I wouldn't dream of blaming this all on one party. Both are to blame for a lot of it. I just disagree with how the Liberals would like to use the money. We're not on oppisite sides of a war. We're all Americans with different viewpoints and shouldn't let bickering tear our country apart.

I don't blame all the problems on one party, however when someone says 'its all the fault of liberals' then I have to point out the massive problems that have come up specifically because of the Reganites and their flawed economic theories stemming back to getting us off of the gold standard. Now I can trace this back further, all the way to JFK and his atrocious foreign policy if you like. Heck I could take it back further if I wanted. Your right that its not only the right, but they have been the root of a large number of our problems in the past thirty or so years. That is not saying that Republicans have not done some good things, or saying that the left has not done bad things. However getting on obama because its 'all the fault of liberals' is just ridiculous.

 

[Anomynous 167]

As I said on my journal, while we would know where President McCain would have been leading us, even if it was bad, President Obama is a wild card. He has the potential to turn this country around for the better. However, he could waste it, and let this country slide further into trouble. Or instead of trying to DO something, he could decide to simply fix the problems of Bush and not do anything for himself. He needs to be another Roosevelt for this country. He needs to make the tough decisions, the right decisions, even the unpopular decisions to turn this country around. If he wants to straighten up this country, he has to make sure he isn't worried about any "image" he has. He has to do the right thing regardless of what it makes him look like.

I thank you for you support for Bush, he made the tough descicions, he made the right decisions and he made the unpopular decisions.

The way how I wish things would go sounds a little like this: Obama will not be the worst we've had yet he will still disappoint democrats so much that they see this as a time to abandon their party after a failure like they have done before in order to be where they are now. With the democratic party in ruins, as it should have been from the beginning(they were barely working together) and the republicans with the same bad reputation thanks to Bush, they will have about seven choices:

1. Join my Libertarians
2. Join the "Green" party
3. Join those crazy Constitutionalists
4. Become independent
5. Flee the land in hopes of a better life(which will leave them equally disappointed)
6. Make up a political party that constitutes rubber(not real) ducks as people.
7. Kill yourself(always an option and I had to throw it out there)


And that's how I hope this turns out, Because who's the most logical party once the big two are down? Mine!

Sadly even I'm a part of the classic American thought process of "Get rid of my enemies and then I'll have the power".

Despite being Australina, I'd go for the most conservative party ever... THE LIBERALS.
Remember kids, politics always do the oposit of what is said: I.E Animal rights don't give animal rights but they just take away HUMAN rights, Human rights movements instead of giving people rights they take away the right to toture in inhumane ways, Liberal parties are the most conservative parties

Frankly I think that hes just what we need right now. I don't think he has foreign policy down as well but his overall plan for our economy is going to help pull us out from this depression we are heading towards. My only worry is that people will have unrealistic expectations and not look at what is being attempted.

You mean taking MORE money from the worked for class and then giving it all to the working class, thus meaning that the working class doesn't get as highly paid as the worked for class is left bankrupt and unable to pay the working class since they have to pay most of the taxes and then bye food, petrol (or ethonol if you're thick) public transport, and then loose even more money to the goverment because they have to sell their car, but doing that adds to their income and increesing their tax burdens... Sounds like an alright economic plan (Sarcasm)

 

[TerraMGP]

You mean taking MORE money from the worked for class and then giving it all to the working class, thus meaning that the working class doesn't get as highly paid as the worked for class is left bankrupt and unable to pay the working class since they have to pay most of the taxes and then bye food, petrol (or ethonol if you're thick) public transport, and then loose even more money to the goverment because they have to sell their car, but doing that adds to their income and increesing their tax burdens... Sounds like an alright economic plan (Sarcasm)

Yeah, stop listening to overpaid idiots like Rush and do some research. The rich will hold on to money, and don't do the work. Bush was only helping out his friends with those cuts and it was very obvious. None of Regans ecenomic strategies have ever worked and they won't now. Obamas plan does not take away from anyone that can't afford to have it taken away from them, the reason people make that claim is they don't want to lose their massive ecenomic advantage.

I'm sorry but you really need to do more research on how ecenomics work before continuing this argument. Those people you talk about would include my family, and guess what the bush tax cuts did squat for us. We are middle class and we got the shaft under bush and his economic policy. Then again if you want to talk about helping the common working man how about you look into why so many of the leaders on the right at this point oppose a living wage?

 

[anti_strunt]

If I lived in america, I would have voted for obama

I would not be surprised if he did get assassinated though :/

All the good ones do.

It seems pretty hard to assassinate the president now though in america, always see billions of secret service

"Believe me; I've tried!"

 

[GreenDevilJF]

I still haven't heard of him actual doing anything past having a tea party with previous presidents.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

I still haven't heard of him actual doing anything past having a tea party with previous presidents.

Because he isn't in office yet.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Personally, I wholeheartedly support Obama. Sadly, I predict a lot of hate about to go his way. The world is going to hell and expectations of him are just too damn high. Add the fact that Americans can be pretty impatient, then you know where I'm going with this. Rome wasn't built in a day and you can't save the world the moment you step into power.

 

[cobra_ky]

there's plenty of socialist and communist parties in the U.S. it's just that politics in the U.S. marginalizes anyone who isn't in the two major parties. and america has about as many crazies per capita as any other country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Barack_Obama_assassination_scare_in_Tennessee

that's pretty much the most credible assassination attempt against obama, and they got as far as shooting a church window and getting scared by a dog. so please, shut up about him getting assassinated before you jinx it >.<

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

obama sucks. he won for 1 reason and it's because he's black.

 

[MackB]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

 

[Berethond]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

 

[cobra_ky]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

actually we're talking about full-on, neo-nazi white supremacists here.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=951

 

[Berethond]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

actually we're talking about full-on, neo-nazi white supremacists here.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=951

Why does no one ever talk about black supreme rascists?

 

[cobra_ky]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

actually we're talking about full-on, neo-nazi white supremacists here.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=951

Why does no one ever talk about black supreme rascists?

actually the cover story from the same issue was about black supremacists. them voting for obama wouldn't really be news though.

 

[Nevins]

You mean taking MORE money from the worked for class and then giving it all to the working class, thus meaning that the working class doesn't get as highly paid as the worked for class is left bankrupt and unable to pay the working class since they have to pay most of the taxes and then bye food, petrol (or ethonol if you're thick) public transport, and then loose even more money to the goverment because they have to sell their car, but doing that adds to their income and increesing their tax burdens... Sounds like an alright economic plan (Sarcasm)

Yeah, stop listening to overpaid idiots like Rush and do some research. The rich will hold on to money, and don't do the work. Bush was only helping out his friends with those cuts and it was very obvious. None of Regans ecenomic strategies have ever worked and they won't now. Obamas plan does not take away from anyone that can't afford to have it taken away from them, the reason people make that claim is they don't want to lose their massive ecenomic advantage.

I'm sorry but you really need to do more research on how ecenomics work before continuing this argument. Those people you talk about would include my family, and guess what the bush tax cuts did squat for us. We are middle class and we got the shaft under bush and his economic policy. Then again if you want to talk about helping the common working man how about you look into why so many of the leaders on the right at this point oppose a living wage?

Except that we did see success due to Reagans economic policies, it was called the 90's, one of the greatest economic booms in history, one thing which I am sick to death of hearing being attributed to Clinton.

But on the subject of Obama, I view this as a win win situation for the Conservatives in America. Either he is a fantastic success and we all benefit, or he totally flops and doesn't get re=elected

I didn't vote for him. I dislike his economic policies and distrust him on past associations. I also dislike the weird, fanboy-esque following he has inspired.

This. I live in an incredibly liberal town (we voted 82% for obama, 4% Nader) and I simply cannot stand the people that support him. The vast majority of them have no idea what the man stands for besides hope and change. I am 17, so I couldn't vote, but if I could my vote would have gone toward McCain, but unlike the Dems in '00 and '04 I am not getting ready to pounce on every little thing that he does wrong, I am going to at least give him a chance.

Having said that, I have serious doubts about his leadership abilities and his abilities to make key decisions. I think that a President should have some background in either the military or the business community, something that Obama is completely lacking. He has never really had to make decisions before in his life, and I am not sure that he can handle the strains of running a nation. He has never failed before, something else that I am worried about, because this combined with his almost messianic rise and zealous devotees will make him feel....... a bit headstrong.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (I'm Republican, but I'm a fair guy), even though it sounds like his big plan to fix our economy is just to throw money at the problem. Anyone who remembers their 1930-40s history will recall this didn't WORK-it only helped a little until World War 2, which is what REALLY got America back on its feet. So unless Obama plans to start World War 3, I don't think we really have a prayer. Besides, just how high are we ALLOWED to get that national debt up, anyway?!? Isn't there some penalty or something? I mean, nobody can stay in penalty-free debt forever, so when does the other shoe fall? And what will be the affect of that?

Personally, I think this is the time we need to be working our natural resources like crazy, selling to other countries... You know, get some money going INTO the country. I don't think throwing money at this problem is gonna fix it, but hopefully Obama will explore some other options, too.

Oh, and why does the issue of Obama's race always pop up in talks like this? I don't wish to sound racist, but... He's not all that black. Really. I have close relatives who are blacker than him. He's half-black. The other half is white. He's not really the first black President. He's the first half-black President.

Personally, I never saw why his race was or wasn't a big deal to people. What, should all the Russians vote for a guy because he's half Russian? Would people who dislike Russians NOT vote for this same guy because he's half Russian? I'm not following the logic that half-minority status means the person is going to be a better/worse President.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

actually we're talking about full-on, neo-nazi white supremacists here.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=951

it's still just as racist. even if he does make a good president.

 

[Nevins]

Oh, and why does the issue of Obama's race always pop up in talks like this? I don't wish to sound racist, but... He's not all that black. Really. I have close relatives who are blacker than him. He's half-black. The other half is white. He's not really the first black President. He's the first half-black resident.

Didn't you hear? Black is the dominant gene.

Oh and about the debt thing, the limit that we are "Allowed" to go is based on the willingness to lend. America has never defaulted on our debts, but we have got that whole colossal deficit thing going on right now. Basically, the American govt. needs to take a good long look at how it spends taxpayer money. Cuts have to be made.

 

[cobra_ky]

When you hear stories about racist americans still voting for obama over mccain, you know hes doing something right

The Americans that are voting for him just because he's black are just as rascist as people who didn't vote for him because he's black.

actually we're talking about full-on, neo-nazi white supremacists here.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=951

it's still just as racist. even if he does make a good president.

no argument here. though i prefer voting racists to curb-stomping violent racists.

Oh, and why does the issue of Obama's race always pop up in talks like this? I don't wish to sound racist, but... He's not all that black. Really. I have close relatives who are blacker than him. He's half-black. The other half is white. He's not really the first black President. He's the first half-black resident.

Didn't you hear? Black is the dominant gene.

Oh and about the debt thing, the limit that we are "Allowed" to go is based on the willingness to lend. America has never defaulted on our debts, but we have got that whole colossal deficit thing going on right now. Basically, the American govt. needs to take a good long look at how it spends taxpayer money. Cuts have to be made.

i'm an optimist. i view the black as half-full.

and we need a balanced budget, the only problem is now is probably the worst possible time to do it.