On the subject of Rap music.
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You're funny.Mathurin said:
1. There are hip hop BANDS out there, you know. And believe me, no one makes it in rap without having the ability to actually read music. Plus, most rap producers can play instruments, because guess what? The real thing sounds better than digital. Prime example Dr. Dre and DJ Quik.
2. It's poetry, just like practically any type of song. If you think it's so easy, you write a rap song and break into the Billboard Top 100. Yes, rappers that don't write about guns, drugs, and hos do make it onto the Top 100. (ex: Atmosphere)
3. You obviously listen to the wrong kind of rap.
No one says rap is the greatest thing ever. For a group setting, maybe. It's easy to dance to, it's easy to mix together, and you don't have to listen to the lyrics to get into the groove. Outside of something like "partying", I would say it's easier to get into other musical genres. It all depends on your own personal taste. And if it's you running the show at the party or whatever, you can play whatever you want.
They remind me of Chevelle, who I also like if not particularily enamored of the lead singer.khaimera said:
I like your taste in music.
You might like Chevelle, actually.
I have determined my biggest reason for hating rap is the culture it has formed of ignorant urban fools. The second video I admittedly, liked.
Maybe when there are less rappers out there making the world a worse place, I will lighten up. Ebonics are a curse.
Maybe when there are less rappers out there making the world a worse place, I will lighten up. Ebonics are a curse.
Don't mind Rap at all, quite like some hip-hop
Problem is, around here, all the people who like rap are 17-year old Douches in my school, who try to big themselves up by listening to rap that swears a lot and talks about bangin' hoes and gunnin' down foes' and chillin' with bro's (I'm a poet and I didn't know it!)
So, I hate THAT kind, and that's the kind people listen to around here
I love me some Sugar Hill, though
I said a hip-hop, a hibbit, a hibbit to the hippidy-hip-hop, y'don't stop a rockin' to the bang-bang boogie y' UP jump's the boogy to the rhythm of the boogidy beat!
That's from memory, b*tches!
Problem is, around here, all the people who like rap are 17-year old Douches in my school, who try to big themselves up by listening to rap that swears a lot and talks about bangin' hoes and gunnin' down foes' and chillin' with bro's (I'm a poet and I didn't know it!)
So, I hate THAT kind, and that's the kind people listen to around here
I love me some Sugar Hill, though
I said a hip-hop, a hibbit, a hibbit to the hippidy-hip-hop, y'don't stop a rockin' to the bang-bang boogie y' UP jump's the boogy to the rhythm of the boogidy beat!
That's from memory, b*tches!
What you just said is the reason I usually just say I don't like rap. I mean, I do enjoy some songs. Hell I used to only listen to rap before I realized I was turning into one of those low class douchebags like you just described.Miumaru said:
These days, Rap means shit like Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and Kanye West.
I still listen to some, namely old stuff like the NWA, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg (damn he's considered old now) and rap from other countries in other languages. If the beat is fun, I'll listen to it. It may have some deep meaning, but I usually listen to music solely for the auditory enjoyment, not necessarily for the lyrics; the lyrics, if done well, are a bonus.
Is this how it all started or because the music industry latched onto it?Low Key said:
I didnt say it didnt rhyme, that doesnt make it singingLow Key said:
Popular =!= good
So is it a complete coincidence that hip hop fakers are complete tools?Low Key said:
All the above could be said about disco.....Low Key said:
1) You could say that creating a gut-wrenching guitar solo or the world's greatest riff is a skill, but no-one cares.http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.200760-On-the-subject-of-Rap-music?page=2#comment_formMathurin said:
Like fuck no-one cares. You don't care? Different story. It takes talent to be able to write intelligent, meaningful rap (and yes, before you say it, there is such a thing. In fact, the majority of the stuff that isn't Gangsta (gangsta, as a genre of rap, takes up about 15-20% of rap. It's a newer form of rap, only coming to the forefront in America in the early 1980's with Ice T, then later when the likes of NWA hit the big time. B-Boy and Floetry (spoken word with the emphasis on how the lyric sounds, the form of the line, instead of the content) are much more prevalent, although due to the MTV exposure, Gangsta seems to be everywhere.
2) Most commercial metal leans heavily on growling and screaming. That's not singing, nuff said.
3)Thug life = Gangsta (not to be confused with T.H.U.G L.I.F.E, the backronym for "The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everyone", a message spread by the late 2Pac, pointing out the vicious circle of parents hating each other, kids growing up with the same prejudices, passing them down again, until people hate each other "because we always have"). No other genre of rap promotes kids to act like gangsters. In fact, older gangsta rap doesn't even promote that. What promotes it is when kids see 50 Cent on TV driving a Ferrari and drinking champagne. To drag up an old gangsta-ism, "they just ain't 'real' no more". What they're rapping about and where they are now are two different things, and people forget that.
The people who say hip hop isn't music are the ones who generally have very little understanding about musicology. It's hilarious.
I'm sorry, I tried, I tried to get some sort of understanding or outside clear eyed perspective on this all and frankly so far no one's changed my mind about it as a genre. All a matter of perspective, and colloquially 'It still sucks'. No that's not quite fair. In honesty it's not all horrid. From most standpoints it might even be pretty good but it has zero resonance with me. So it's not quite like I'll be humming the song a week from now. And to be perfectly blunt the whole problem with it is that it's still just a nigh on monotone guy talking over background music.
Like I said it's not horrible but if you can't understand why people don't like or appreciate the lyrics, or the idea that the beat and flow is everything then I fear you're just not going to get it at all. You can find examples of exceptions to the rule everywhere and in pretty much everything. So no, people can't quite seriously say 'all rap is bad' but it's fully within their right to dislike the genre. Personally I greatly dislike it and 'gangster rap' still is perhaps the worst most grinding soul crunching sound I know of. Everyone looks for something different in music and what one person things is critical might be negligible to others.
I listened to that twenty or thirty minutes of presented rap music to try to gain that faint appreciation and I still don't have it. By the by, Hilltop Hoods the nosebleed section would be fantastic to me without any vocals and it's impossible to hate Weird Al's stuff. The second one Hypocrite is amusing granted it was for the animated presentation which makes it much more palatable as a happy and rather funny piece.
I don't like it, but that's alright because without something different songs about werewolves, witches, creatures from the dead of the night, broken oaths, and then wailing orchestral scores probably wouldn't be there either at the other end of the spectrum. Congrats for liking something different, I salute that. Just recognize people are affected by different lyrics, sounds, themes, beat, and rhythm than your own. All in all I'm glad that there's a place for everyone of every musical taste from rap to my beloved symphonic metal. So OP I wish you the greatest fortunes on your new user group!
Like I said it's not horrible but if you can't understand why people don't like or appreciate the lyrics, or the idea that the beat and flow is everything then I fear you're just not going to get it at all. You can find examples of exceptions to the rule everywhere and in pretty much everything. So no, people can't quite seriously say 'all rap is bad' but it's fully within their right to dislike the genre. Personally I greatly dislike it and 'gangster rap' still is perhaps the worst most grinding soul crunching sound I know of. Everyone looks for something different in music and what one person things is critical might be negligible to others.
I listened to that twenty or thirty minutes of presented rap music to try to gain that faint appreciation and I still don't have it. By the by, Hilltop Hoods the nosebleed section would be fantastic to me without any vocals and it's impossible to hate Weird Al's stuff. The second one Hypocrite is amusing granted it was for the animated presentation which makes it much more palatable as a happy and rather funny piece.
I don't like it, but that's alright because without something different songs about werewolves, witches, creatures from the dead of the night, broken oaths, and then wailing orchestral scores probably wouldn't be there either at the other end of the spectrum. Congrats for liking something different, I salute that. Just recognize people are affected by different lyrics, sounds, themes, beat, and rhythm than your own. All in all I'm glad that there's a place for everyone of every musical taste from rap to my beloved symphonic metal. So OP I wish you the greatest fortunes on your new user group!
I think if anyone "hates" rap it's the redundancy of certain "artist"; usually with subject matter along with the beat (Not in plural for good reason.).
If you're like me you've gotten bored of the boring beat that repeats along with the same subject matter.
But at the same time every genre has similar issues, rap usually about money, hoes, and being "gangsta", Then there's country/emo/blues mostly about sob stories of why the singer/band life/lives suck (And usually it's their own fault.), metal about worshiping Satan and murder, and techno being about ecstasy.
But every genre has its good points still, but sometimes it's hard to find them when all we hear on the radio is the filth of a genre.
If you're like me you've gotten bored of the boring beat that repeats along with the same subject matter.
But at the same time every genre has similar issues, rap usually about money, hoes, and being "gangsta", Then there's country/emo/blues mostly about sob stories of why the singer/band life/lives suck (And usually it's their own fault.), metal about worshiping Satan and murder, and techno being about ecstasy.
But every genre has its good points still, but sometimes it's hard to find them when all we hear on the radio is the filth of a genre.
I like you, you seem to know what you're talking about. I don't blame you for getting annoyed, that guy's post was the exact kind of ignorance I was attempting to quell with this topic. I suppose I failed in that regard. Still, you should join the group, there are 11 of us now!wordsmith said:
I don't understand it. The vast majority of gamers here play mainstream video games that are very homogeneous in subject matter (and I would say hip hop is far more heterogeneous in subject matter than video games are). Why the inconsistency?Devi Darkside said:
To say the music industry "latched on to it" would be quite a reach considering it was supposed to be a fad. Rap got it's start from electronica and DJing. If it wasn't for those two, rap would never have existed. Basically, you had a DJ mixing electronic and funk records together, then someone got the idea to start rhyming over it.Mathurin said:
What does it matter that it's not singing?
And no one said popular = good, but popular tends to mean successful.
I linked a few videos to the more thought conscious side of rap, but I personally listen to the most "gangsta" stuff I can get my hands on and I wouldn't say I'm a tool. Then again, I don't go around making asinine claims, which could be said for quite a few people outside of the genre. For instance, when people lie about how much they make, their living situation, or their vehicle. It happens all the time, even by people who don't listen to rap.
Point being? Disco served it's purpose, however, rap clearly isn't a fad like disco was. It's going to be there whether you like it or not, so my advice to you is to embrace it, at least the decent stuff. I used to do the "holier than thou" thing with music too, but since I dropped that whole bullshit, I have been a happier person. Worrying what other people listen to is what old people do. You are old, are you?
I really like that song, and it has some actual meaning. I lie Eminem too, he always tells a story, although he isn't the only one who has suffered what he has. That's about as far as my rap taste stretches.