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firedfns13

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^That is an excellent answer, but I just don't see why it's necessary to have evil. Just because we would not appreciate the good is not enough for me.

But as I don't identify with christianity, I should probably leave this topic.

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When I went to type my reply to the one who quoted me he was right above this
 

hippo24

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RedDiablo said:
How do you allow for evil to exist? I do believe in God, but I just want a more specific answer for evil.
Man has free will (the extent of which is debatable), and man is not bound into doing "good" or "evil" he is allowed to choose. Man makes evil if he chooses to do so.
As far as why he would allow you to choose:

[HEADING=3]"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:8)

"The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law."(Deuteronomy 29:29)[/HEADING]

Granted I'm not pretending to know exactly and definitively the answer to your question, in fact no-one can but the guy you originally asked the question to. Which begs to ask why I responded to your question in the first place, which also leads into my real question.

Why does steam like to betray my trust, and deny me access to my games?
 

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Superhyperactiveman said:
RedDiablo said:
How do you allow for evil to exist? I do believe in God, but I just want a more specific answer for evil.
I can actually answer that one. You see, part of what makes us human is Free Will, the ability to make our own choices. Unfortunately, part of free will is living with the consequences of our actions. Evil is the result of negative choices on the part of humans.

The follow-up question to this is always "So why does God let us do evil things?"

The answer to this is that it's the same as if you and I were the only two living creatures left on Earth, and I told you that you were my best friend. It wouldn't mean anything because... well... it's not like I have any alternatives. God wants us to love Him, which means following his plan for us, but if we don't have anything we can choose instead of God, then choosing him wouldn't mean anything.

The short version is that without evil, we couldn't really have good.
No, the fallowing question would be...

"and so what evil do we do that makes tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, asteroids, solar radiation, and all the global pandemics that have wiped out several billion people over the last few thousand years?"

Even if 'evil' is created by mans free will, god is still cold hearted prick.
 

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grimsprice said:
Superhyperactiveman said:
RedDiablo said:
How do you allow for evil to exist? I do believe in God, but I just want a more specific answer for evil.
I can actually answer that one. You see, part of what makes us human is Free Will, the ability to make our own choices. Unfortunately, part of free will is living with the consequences of our actions. Evil is the result of negative choices on the part of humans.

The follow-up question to this is always "So why does God let us do evil things?"

The answer to this is that it's the same as if you and I were the only two living creatures left on Earth, and I told you that you were my best friend. It wouldn't mean anything because... well... it's not like I have any alternatives. God wants us to love Him, which means following his plan for us, but if we don't have anything we can choose instead of God, then choosing him wouldn't mean anything.

The short version is that without evil, we couldn't really have good.
No, the fallowing question would be...

"and so what evil do we do that makes tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, asteroids, solar radiation, and all the global pandemics that have wiped out several billion people over the last few thousand years?"

Even if 'evil' is created by mans free will, god is still cold hearted prick.
That would be nature. Natural disasters. NATURAL. THERE IS YOUR KEYWORD. Pandemics is just a consequence of the world being a whole lot more connected. If we didnt have cars, planes, basically modern transportation, virulent diseases would die out a lot faster instead of sticking around.

Yup, cause you know I like God to stick his nose and hand in everything I see, do, hear, touch. And He likes to do it too.

Personally I believe that he likes to leave us to our own devices. He'll look in time to time but I dont think he would want to be the overbearing parent constantly looking over our shoulder.


Ontopic: Are we alone in the universe?
 

Alex the Pally

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I have a few.

1. Where'd you get that sweet robe?
2. How long did it take to grow that awesome beard?
3. Why the hell is Zeus manning the hot dog stand?
 

firedfns13

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Klagermeister said:
No, you just made yourself look like a complete fool on the internet. Congratulations.
If someone can foresee the future, are they making it happen themselves?
No, they just give you a choice and in the end, God really does know what you will choose.

He gave Adam and Eve a choice to listen to him, or blow off his only rule.
Guess what? They blew off his only rule.
Therefore, God is not evil. He just gave us a choice between good and evil, and we chose evil.

Allowing =/= Cause
You forgot God's supposed omnipotence. He then therefore knows and planned what you will do in your life.
 

grimsprice

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Mercsenary said:
That would be nature. Natural disasters. NATURAL. THERE IS YOUR KEYWORD. Pandemics is just a consequence of the world being a whole lot more connected. If we didnt have cars, planes, basically modern transportation, virulent diseases would die out a lot faster instead of sticking around.

Yup, cause you know I like God to stick his nose and hand in everything I see, do, hear, touch. And He likes to do it too.

Personally I believe that he likes to leave us to our own devices. He'll look in time to time but I dont think he would want to be the overbearing parent constantly looking over our shoulder.


Ontopic: Are we alone in the universe?
So what about the black plague? My point wasn't about evil, its about god being a prick, getting rid of the smallpox virus isn't overbearing. Letting it slaughter over 200 million people however, is being a prick.
 

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Sporky111 said:
Just the fact that God spoke to me would answer plenty of my questions. But given the opportunity I would ask if I would make myself important in the future. . . or what really killed the dinosaurs.
I thought that everyone knew it is the BIG BRAIN!


OT, I don't even know.. so many possible questions.. wait.. I GOT IT! I'd ask him for 3 more questions.