Opinion!: Democracy in America (dead?)

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notsosavagemessiah

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The longer i see the current U.S. president in office, the more i'm reminded of a fact that i learned long ago, but somehow got lost in the rhetoric of the his speeches. I am reminded that your average politician, does not care about americans. I believe that the majority of americans, elected our current president to bring about great change for our country, substantial change that would benefit the lives of every american as we knew it. Change, that would get the economy back on track, and change that would result in the a greater and more important diplomatic role in the world.

So, what went wrong here? Where's the change we were promised? I'll tell you, it's nowhere. While there has been a boost to the economy, we're still dealing with a 10 percent(!) unemployment rate, and a sagging housing sector. Universal healthcare is pretty much out of the question, and you can forget about getting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq over with any time soon. Granted, the whole situation in iraq seems to be going swimmingly right now, that's great, but what about the other war? In afghanistan? If he doesn't listen to his military advisors we're going to be fighting that for a long time to come. Meanwhile, unrest is growing at home, between people's frustration with the economy, health care, and the war, lies a president that seems to have forgotten that his party not only holds a majority, but that he was elected to do away with the ineffectual policies of his predecessor. Add to that an incredibly vocal and volitile minority in the republican party, and you've a recipe for disaster.

Speaking of republicans, why in the hell is anybody listening to them? We've been at war for 8 years now, had the worst economic recession since the great depression under them, and managed to turn a budget surplus into an 11 trillion dollar deficit. I know what you're going to say, "well if the democrats wouldn't spend so much we wouldn't be that far in debt". That's true, but consider what most of that money was spent on, attempts to fix the economy. All they've done simply add on. As anybody can tell you, the lifeblood of an economy is spending. Yes, we do have a massive deficit, but you can't begin to make money, without spending it first. I don't understand where the logic in taking money out of the economy comes from, but then again, i never really studied economics, there, i said it, too bad.

Meanwhile, as this is all going on, republicans never cease to open up the rhetoric can on how obama is trying to destroy america through socialism, or how he's trying to kill your grandparents, or how he's going to eat your babies or how canada's health care system will kill your soul and send you to hell. The screwed up thing is, THE LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS TO TRY AND WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE. People who clearly have no real interest in doing so. Consequently, all that's been going on is bickering. Nothing has changed, and everybody is suffering for it. We were told back in the bush era that to not support the president was unpatriotic, well now the same thing is going on but the repubs are maitaining that they're being far more patriotic then anything obama is trying to do. But, where was this point of view when dems were saying the same thing just a few years back? It was nowhere to be found, and let's be frank, there were policies that were in violation (or at the least, very very questionable) of the constitution of our nation! Where were the glenn beck's then? The rush limbaugh's, they claim that they were there fighting against their own ilk but it's BS!


I'm learning as time has gone on, that none of these people truly want change, they simply want to be the party in charge, or at the very least, maintain their seat. But, as we can see now, nothing is getting done because too many people are either buying in to the republicans BS or accomplishing nothing by trying to work with them. My question is, what did we elect these people for? Aren't they supposed to work for us? Didn't we put them in office? What about what the people want? Doesn't that matter any more? What about equality, diplomacy, democracy? It seems to me that our current system is standing in direct contrast, and that more and more the two party system is merely a veil under which the truth is lying. That is to say, there is no more democracy, only two bickering parties who are struggling to rule over one another.

Think about it, we're always forced to choose between the two, sure there are other parties out there, but let's be honest, they don't have the money to make any real headway into the political spectrum, and a good majority of those parties are just extreme versions of the other two parties anyways. Nevertheless, i think it's time that we resurrected democracy from the dead, and showed the two political behemoths that stand before us, that they have somebody to answer to, americans. Isn't it time for a real change? Isn't it time, that we threw out the ineffectual old guard? I only hope it isn't too late for real change in this country.

(Edit: Let's not have topic titles in all caps, shall we? It's a bit disruptive. - Funk)
 

El Poncho

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I don't think you can complain about not having change when you're refusing the change they are trying to make, he has tryed to introduce Universal Healthcare and everyones saying it's bad. That was probably one part of change they were going to make, he probably has more in plan but if people condemn them on there first attempt to make change with everyone saying he is a devilchild then how is he ment to introduce any other form of change when they will probably be condemned for that aswell.
 

benylor

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It's true. And it's not just America which suffers this malaise.

But... How do you fix it? A new party? It will never get the popular support. No, the only way is to attempt a small revolution and bear a new party in the embers of an old one. If either the democrats or the republicans fall completely, a new party may fill the void. But good luck affecting that party.
 

Sevre

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You know, using ALL CAPS in the title doesn't make me want to listen to you.
 

SoldierG65434-2

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Technicaly speaking, democracy never truley exsisted in America in the first place. America is a represenative republic.
 

jpoon

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I would be willing to vote for some changes but the changes that the puppet in chief wants to make are not exactly what I was hoping for. Maybe a return to the constitution would be a move that people would put up with, not a move towards more socialist policies and more government.

Less government can = more liberty
 

Radeonx

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xmetatr0nx said:
pimppeter2 said:
You know, making changes isn't one sided.
This, bitching though is one sided...as is clear on this thread. Either way, the good thing is you are complaning on a rather insignificant internet forum. So luckily this wont go anywhere.
I've seen people rant on places like this, then get really self righteous and give it to someone important.
Good thing that everyone can recognize that all it is is sheer bitching.
 
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SoldierG65434-2 said:
Technicaly speaking, democracy never truley exsisted in America in the first place. America is a represenative republic.
That's representative versus direct. It still counts as a form of democracy.
 

jpoon

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Hardcore_gamer said:
You
poncho14 said:
I don't think you can complain about not having change when you're refusing the change they are trying to make, he has tryed to introduce Universal Healthcare and everyones saying it's bad. That was probably one part of change they were going to make, he probably has more in plan but if people condemn them on there first attempt to make change with everyone saying he is a devilchild then how is he ment to introduce any other form of change when they will probably be condemned for that aswell.
This.

The thread author whines and cry's about the American government not doing anything while it is in fact because of people the cry endlessly about not wanting to have anything to do with the changes being introduced by Obama, sort of like a spoiled child that says it's hates anything and everyone and dismisses anything it's parent says to calm it down.
It's the policy dude, not the person. The policy is what they protest.
 

slipknot4

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If the people does not want change then what is the point.
Some states loves war. Some hates free healthcare.
 

Tairan

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im more of a repuplic person it makes so much more sence if you get round to it
 

SoldierG65434-2

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KillerMidget said:
SoldierG65434-2 said:
Technicaly speaking, democracy never truley exsisted in America in the first place. America is a represenative republic.
That's representative versus direct. It still counts as a form of democracy.
I was just splitting hairs in an effort to shut this guy down without using the other, more crass (but more effective) tactics that the others are using.
 

jpoon

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The presidunce should propose this per state maybe, give each and every state the choice to join in on socalist care that way things would settle out a bit more fairly.

1. Fix Tort Reform and get rid of frivolous lawsuits (while fucking over lawyers in the process, always a good thing).
2. Remove protectionist laws like State borders for insurance (there's no need for this kind of shit anyways, it prevents low prices).
3. Remove penalties for not having insurance in his govcare proposal (free markets can't penalize for non-compliance).
4. Allow each state to vote for/against it.
5. Have a beer and/or a blunt and relax cause you finally got your shit done.