Parents accused of sexual abuse for taking pictures of their kids

[Phyroxis]

Bull shit. Thats absolutely bogus. Sexual abuse for taking pictures of your kids playing in the tub? Come on.. So I suppose you're sexually abusing your infant when you change their diaper? Damn.. Looks like everyone's been abused.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

People outside america tend to be more level headed?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7326736.stm
Mr. Simon Bunce was taken down in the UK Operation Ore... except ...
"Mr Bunce discovered that the computer used to enter his credit card details was in Jakarta, Indonesia, and the date and time that his credit card details were entered onto the Landslide website was at a time when he could prove that he was using the same card in a restaurant in south London."

Too bad he still lost his job and his cred over this legal mistake.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/sep/09/child-porn-photography

it's an article about how the paranoia is getting in the way of life.
"But unfortunately paranoia over photography is not limited to Worthing. Earlier this summer, a Devon primary school banned parents from taking photos of their children on sports day. The chair of the parent teacher association explained: "It is all to do with the pictures getting into the wrong hands, and the school has to follow its own code of conduct." Cameras are now routinely forbidden at nativity plays."

I'm not saying it doesn't happen here as well. There have been cases where families are ripped apart and then cops find nothing like that was happening. The families have to leave town because of the media attention. Nowadays if a child falls in a street, most men in my city think twice before coming to the kids aid because of this. There is some preschools/grade schools were parents aren't allowed to record their kids' antics because the school doesn't want to be involved in this media craziness.

 

[Phyroxis]

as i often do when i see something like this , i try and 'flip it' to what would have been reported if these parents werent reported and it turned out they WERE pedos and those 'harmless' pictures were nothing of the kind, or just the few that somehow got left on the card after the ones showing daddy diddling them were deleted.

i say this, the pictures COULD have been evidence in something more than innocent bath time photos. the person reporting them did the proper thing imo and the agency charged with child welfare checked it out, seems to have found nothing wrong, the parents get their children back and move on.

if i was the parents, if anything id be HAPPY that i had a local CPS that was on the ball and doing their job for a change. we as a society ***** when things 'slip through the cracks' then when someone trys to make sure that it doesnt happen we seem to want to ***** about THAT.
i think its a fine thing it got reported, it got investigated and the children (who ARE after all the main concirne here) were protected. so it turned out nothing untword was going on, so what? better to be safe than sorry. and id certianly want judgments about what kind of nude childrens photos are ok being decided by a CPS investigation, than too leave it up to the judgment of the local photo-hut flunky.

Excuse me. The 'right' thing was to to take their toddlers/infants away for almost a month and a half? No. I don't think thats right at all. Its not too difficult tell whether theres some funny business going on in a picture or not. Are the kids playing? Or is there something inappropriate going on? Its really not that hard to tell. The fuck-o at wal-mart obviously left his braincells at home, flipped out, and decided to go apeshit over nothing. This is nothing short of an affront to the family. Those kids will have more scars from being kept from their parents for a month, than anything those pictures could have done.

 

[Nalbis]

Thats so wrong, its normal and has always been the norm for parents to take pictures of their children during bath time when they are young :/

I hope they get a nice amount of money from the case. Although they probably won't seeing as WalMart are a corporate giant and probably have a massive legal team, but one can only hope.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

This is PC gone waaaaaaaay to fucking far. People need to grow the fuck up and chill the fuck out.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

What the hell...? Why would they-

OOOOH... It's Wal-Mart. No fucking wonder.

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

o.o
I thought every parent did that.
Stupid people nowadays. Way too paranoid about things like this.

i thought all parents did that too, if Only to Bring them Out And embarrass there children years down the road

 

[RanD00M]

So i should sue my parents because of my bath pictures?.NO!.It's normal for parents to do that.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

This is why I'm embarrassed with Australia, we USED to be able to make fun of Americans for being lawsuit city, but it's not like our rights are protected from corporate interests either.

Stupid Henson case made it hard for parents to take pictures of their kids here too.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Hell if I had pics of naked kids come through my photo lab you can bet someone is getting contacted. For all the guy knew it coulda been creepy uncle joe snapping pics while the niece/nephews played oblivious, sexual abuse is often done by family members. So why not be cautious.

Bottom line, don't freaking take iffy pics to a public developer. Just use a printer or kiosk.

 

[Ventuquies]

Haha America~

 

[Thaius]

Sigh...

 

[Nickolai77]

Firstly, the guy at wall-mart should have used his common sense- one roll of children in a bath tub, out of several other roles of holiday photos. It's not a huge leap of thought to guess that these are harmless photos taken by parents who want nothing more than the joy of embarrassing their children when they are growing up into adults.

Secondly, pedophiles are the media's favourite bogeymen, and while downloading child pornography is rightly illegal, the media will soon get bored and discover new monsters.

 

[asinann]

what.... the.... fuck....!

this is another reason why americans as a whole have such a bad name in other countries.
(no offence to you normal americans, i'm referring to the general stereotype)

well i think kudos to the parents for sueing walmart, though really they dont have much of a chance, seeing as they're fighting against a corporate giant with the best lawyers, mountains of money, etc...

...What does this have to do with Americans? Other than it taking place in America?

Because this wouldn't happen anywhere else besides the US. The level of paranoia over there is insane. This would never happen in Australia, people tend to be more level-headed.

State governments have to overreact or they get sued for NOT acting. Wal-mart probably gets out of this because of laws that say they don't have a choice other than to turn pictures like that over. The state will get killed though, a jury trial will probably have 10-11 parents on the jury, almost all of them will have done the same thing with their kids.

 

[Sansha]

Pedophiles are not stupid enough to take their illegal photos to the goddamn Wal-Mart for printing.

This is what flash drives and PC printers were built for.

Not that I'm condoning that kind of behavior, but still. Common sense, people.

 

[asinann]

You cannot trust anyone these days.

What right did walmart have to look at the photographs anyway?

Plus there was no evidence of sexual abuse, just some kids, their own kids, splashing about in a bath.

If taking pictures of your own children in the bath warrents sexual abuse, most of our parents would be in prison right now.

I hope they win this one. Common sense needs this win.

To develop pictures, the person developing the pictures has to see them. Either that or they can blindfold themselves and hope the pictures are done developing when they are pulled out of the solution. And that they don't bump into anything sensitive causing chemical burns on themselves.

 

[vampirekid.13]

PHOENIX -- An Arizona couple accused of sexual abuse after taking bath-time photos of their children and then trying to have them developed at Walmart are suing the state and the retail giant.

Lisa and Anthony "A.J." Demaree's three young daughters were taken away by Arizona Child Protective Services last fall when a Walmart employee found partially nude pictures of the girls on a camera memory stick taken to the store for processing, according to the suit.

The Peoria couple's attorney said Walmart turned the photos over to police and the Demarees were not allowed to see their children for several days and didn't regain custody for a month while the state investigated.

Neither parent was charged with sexual abuse and they regained custody of their children - then ages 1 1/2, 4 and 5 - but the Demarees claim the incident inflicted lasting harm.

The couple is seeking undetermined monetary damages from both Walmart and the state and have requested a jury trial.

Richard Treon, the lawyer for the Demarees, said the images of the girls were part of a group of 144 photographs taken mostly during the family's vacation in San Diego.

There were seven to eight bath- and playtime photos of the girls that showed a "portion or outline or genitalia."

"There was nothing sexual about it," Treon said. "This is a parent's worst nightmare."

One lawsuit names Arizona, Peoria and the state Attorney General's Office as defendants, claiming that employees from each defamed them by telling friends, family members and co-workers that they had "sexually abused" their children by taking pornographic pictures of them.

A second lawsuit, naming Walmart as the defendant, says the company is at fault for not telling Anthony Demaree that it had an "unsuitable print policy" and could decide to turn any photos over to law enforcement.

Calls to Arkansas-based Walmart and officials from Peoria and Arizona seeking comment on the suits were not immediately returned Thursday.

I'd really like to know what people here at the escapist think about this. Are people really this paranoid that you can't even take pictures of your OWN kids without being accused of sexual abuse? It's normal for parents to take pictures of their kids in the bath when they're young last I checked. I honestly hope they win the case.

Source: http://www.fresnobee.com/641/story/1641889.html

my mom has plenty of naked baby pictures of me...walmart just fails.


seriously tho since when is it sexual abuse to take a picture of a naked baby? if anything its a parental right as long as its not harming the baby in any way.

 

[Sansha]

as i often do when i see something like this , i try and 'flip it' to what would have been reported if these parents werent reported and it turned out they WERE pedos and those 'harmless' pictures were nothing of the kind, or just the few that somehow got left on the card after the ones showing daddy diddling them were deleted.

i say this, the pictures COULD have been evidence in something more than innocent bath time photos. the person reporting them did the proper thing imo and the agency charged with child welfare checked it out, seems to have found nothing wrong, the parents get their children back and move on.

if i was the parents, if anything id be HAPPY that i had a local CPS that was on the ball and doing their job for a change. we as a society ***** when things 'slip through the cracks' then when someone trys to make sure that it doesnt happen we seem to want to ***** about THAT.
i think its a fine thing it got reported, it got investigated and the children (who ARE after all the main concirne here) were protected. so it turned out nothing untword was going on, so what? better to be safe than sorry. and id certianly want judgments about what kind of nude childrens photos are ok being decided by a CPS investigation, than too leave it up to the judgment of the local photo-hut flunky.

Agreed. Refer to my above post in which:

Pedophiles are not stupid enough to take their illegal photos to the goddamn Wal-Mart for printing.

This is what flash drives and PC printers were built for.

Not that I'm condoning that kind of behavior, but still. Common sense, people.

But still, you need to look at this kind of thing from the other side of the fence, too. There's two sides to this story, and frankly - the parents suing the state and Wal-Mart is wasting everybody's goddamn time.

 

[Juraz]

Everyone has to have naked child photos of themselves in bath tubs or a stupid hat on or something so they can post them on a wall on your 18th/21st birthday. Also the ones where you have lost all your teeth giving a gigantic smile as well.