Parents Television Council Calls Game Industry "Thugs" and "Bullies"

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ARKSgtAlpha

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Korey Von Doom said:
This entirely, why is it the industries responsibility to keep violent games out of the hands of children? This is just parents being too lazy to watch what their own kids are doing.
exactly. if your to much of a terrible parent that you are totally incapable of manging what video games your children, then im more worried about $h!tty parenting in California then kids playing Halo 3 (though it is annoying.

*looks back* whew avoid full blown rant, nice
 

Warstratigier

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*sigh* it is a sad day when those that strive to have and/or retain a voice they have through video games through non-violent means gets insulted and treated like dirt.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Oh the wonderful irony of the Parents TELEVISION Council, watchdogs of "responsibility and decency to the entertainment industry" are pointing at US for "selling sex and violence to children".
Couldn't agree more.

sex in videogames: Closed door and sounds, or some alien skin before screen fades to black.

sex in television: Rape, incest, pedophilia (on almost every crime-series)

Good thing they go after videogames first! That shit will ruin children! The irony with these people is that theyre perfectly fine with their children's role models to teach em being a slut or douche will get you everything you want, but some boobs in an interactive medium for 15+ aged people? ROARRGH! Which person haven't seen porn when theyre 15 anyway?
I didn't...

But anyways, I also love how they're obviously targeting Mass Effect and GTA for this type of thing, whilst ignoring some glaring examples from the past (see: Daggerfall), because if they tried to pull those ones out today, they'd be laughed from the room.
 

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Doesn't it seem rather...stupid to create a new law (when there's already one around...I think?) concerning videogame sales to minors (Atleast...I think that's what's going on, i'm British so don't really pay much attention to American law, let alone different state laws XD), after all, it's the parents that're buying them anyway! If anything, just make it law to make sure the parents understand why it's rated that age before completing sale, sure, sales won't be as swift but atleast it'd be an easier way around this. :x (As in, you could atleast ask if the game is being bought for a younger child or whatever.)

And for the record, yes, some videogames -can- (But not necessarily do) have slight influence on people, but I reiterate, SLIGHT, MINOR, barely NOTICEABLE influence...After all, in the words of Marcus Brigstocke "If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
 

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I'm not sure who they're trying to blame, it seems their blame finger is shaking uncertainly at a group.
 

Korey Von Doom

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lacktheknack said:
Korey Von Doom said:
lacktheknack said:
Oh the wonderful irony of the Parents TELEVISION Council, watchdogs of "responsibility and decency to the entertainment industry" are pointing at US for "selling sex and violence to children".

This entirely, why is it the industries responsibility to keep violent games out of the hands of children? This is just parents being too lazy to watch what their own kids are doing.
I was trying to point out that television is by far more vile and sleazy, while being more accessible to children.
Yes I know it's the same thing, they don't want to control what their children watch either so they form an organization to try to get rid of it.
 

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This whole thing has me worried. Not so much about the current case, but about what the future will hold. Are we going to turn into these narrow-minded asshats who shun and try to destroy a new media. Cause I can clearly imagine the next generation having this same conversation 30 years from now when videogames are no longer debated and a new controversial for of media gets its start. We have to break this vicious cycle!
 

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Well I have a message for the Parents Television Council:

The televised Tyler Perry shows on TBS are some of the most flagrantly offensive things I've been exposed to recently, and I am truly afraid for any young children who are tainted by trash of that level.
And this is coming from someone who's recently watched Splice
Adrien Brody f---s a bloody hybrid for crying out loud! Seriously. It has wings. It has backwards knees. It has a freaking tail!
Who are these people to talk about video games selling sex when little Susie can watch that On Demand?!?
I can only imagine the horror that Jersey Shore will instill upon the nation's youth.

Parents need to understand that the word "Parent" is a verb as well as a noun. Learn how to do it before you start moaning about extraneous forces corrupting your little ones. I don't think most impressionable children can afford a television, game console, and the games without some financial backer who probably happens to be blood related in the role of a guardian of some sort...
 

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The television industry hates games. Basically they set their system up to generate revenue from the amount of viewers. So if people are playing games, they are probably not watching television. Television viewership has been down a lot in the past decade and has been proven that a large chunk of this is people playing games.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"The PTC urges its members to stand up to the billionaire game companies that profit from selling sex and violence to children."
Rage! This is a hypocritical statement loaded with weasel words, a premise supported by emotional language and prejudice. Just -- just... how dare they!

"Stand up to" evoking the little guy standing up to the heartless bully, using the descriptor "billionaire" to unfairly imply ostentatiousness and greed, and "selling sex and violence to children" is not only a grievous misrepresentation of the process that leads children to buying inappropriate material (it has more to do with parental supervision),
but it's at least no more true than for other industries such as books and movies, for whose perceived iniquities we hear not a peep!

And what balls they must have to call the gaming community, a demographic historically victimized by bullying, bullies themselves! When someone gives the governator a swirly, then maybe I'll listen to their cheap pandering, but for now this is determinedly swatting the hornets nest.

EDIT: Actually, I'd like to retract that bit in the middle, which I've tagged. This group is actually pretty strict about other mediums as well (not that this makes any of the positions the hold any less ridiculous and reactionary). Nonetheless, the statement is overtly myopic and inflammatory.
 

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mayney93 said:
i'm sick of arguing my cause, i say we simply take up arms and kill them
Then the one's left alive will go screaming "SEE! This is our point the devil's video games turned them into evil killing machines!!!!!!11!" its not a good idea to kill the people who think that video games are turning people into killing machines it'll just prove their point
 

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Well that should teach us to stop stabbing everyone we see /sarcasm

And what the hell do these telly shits have to do with the master race gamers.
 

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TheRightToArmBears said:
Yup, because gamers can really throw their weight around in this situation. Has anyone in America aside from actual gamers listened to our side at all?

Fucking hypocrites.
Actually, there was another article here a few weeks ago about something like 10 or 11 states coming out in our support. We're not completely alone.
 

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The simple fact is that some people are scared of anything that's new. I remember back in the 90s when some people thought mobile phones should be banned in case they microwaved your brain.

Also as a conservative group pressure group they really are in a good place to call the game industry bullies, because conservatives have never got violent or upset when anyone threatens their rights.
 

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You know, if the PTC was really doing it for the kids, I might be able to sympathize with their views, if not necessarily their goals.
The problem is that I'm not convinced that they're really doing it for the kids.
No...I'm of the belief that they're doing it all based upon hyperpartisan, inflammatory, fearmongering newsmedia, provoking the ignorant masses of insecure parents by threatening them with the loss of perceived control over their kids.

Think of it this way:
1. The parents believe that they may tell their kids to do anything, and the kids must obey, or be punished. Due to this, the parents have an illusion of control over their kids (who will still defy them behind their backs, much of the time).

2. This position of perceived power means that they don't believe that they must spend time getting to know their kids. They don't spend time talking to them as people, learning about their forming perceptions and beliefs. Rather, the child is just another piece of property that doesn't always do what it's told, and must be coerced into doing so (percussive maintenance, anyone?).

3. On some level, the parents are savvy enough to know that their position of power is only a tenuous one.

4. The newsmedia also knows that, and so, at the behest of special interest groups (the members of which probably don't...erm...take enough romantic vacations, per-se), they stir up a storm of fearmongering to inflame these insecure parents into believing that - among other things, such as that their friends smoke pot and that their teachers just want to feel them up, and that the kids are always going to be okay with both - video games will turn them into serial rapist/killers with a penchant for shooting up their schools and driving like they're on crack.

5. The parents, their illusory positions of power now threatened, band together in search of an enemy to smite. The newsmedia makes a Strawman of the video game industry (and all of its supporters), and rallies forth the now-enraged masses to go burn it down.

WolfEdge said:
God it's Jack Thompson all fucking over again!
Flamezdudes said:
The people who are crazy get the most attention...
Yeah, pretty much.

Here's another thing: there's no reasoning with these folks. They aren't operating off of any sort of logic that holds up under sufficient examination, so fighting back with Logos isn't going to work. While it's tempting at first to try to fight through Ethos, that's never going to work, as no force is more powerful or less reasonable than righteous indignation and a holier-than-thou attitude, and nothing stokes the fire like insinuations - or, even moreso, outright claims - of hypocrisy among their ranks.
No. They assembled under a Pathos play, and while we might not be able to beat them with that, we might be able to hold them off. We just have to make way more noise than they are, or make their position into a Strawman all its own to help with that. Sure, fighting Fire with Fire never works (at least, not in the long run), but if the first person to shut up loses...well, it's worth a shot, isn't it? It's better than just throwing them another concession so they'll think they've won and will back off. That tactic didn't work in the early days of WWII, and it certainly won't work here now.

Here's the only way we're going to make them back down: Resist. Get mad about it, get other folks mad about it. Get everyone you can on board, and take on the banner of the VGVN or the ECA or somebody else like that. If we make enough noise, we'll let them know that we're not going to back down this time.

That's my take on it.

I do, however, apologize for making it so long. I was originally just going to keep it down to a paragraph or two, but...
 

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"The games industry is selling sex and violence to our children!"

Yeah, because it's their fault that your kid buys that, not yours at all. No you shouldn't at least keep an eye on what your child buys or whether it's appropriate for them or not.

And yes, games are definately just a child's plaything, not a medium like film, literature or music for a narrative sequence to be applied to. No, games are exclusively for toddler's and sell absolutely nothing in the 18-30 year old male demographic.

And yes, all games have sex and violence in them, regardless of genre, target audience, gameplay styles or plot.

Just to be clear, this whole post is sarcastic.
 

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These people are just so...so....I can't even describe how I feel. They're just those kind of people that are completely convinced that they're right and what they think is right. They don't do research on the subject or anything. They don't research video games or do anything to learn more about them. They just assume that "all video games are evil" and stick to that argument. They refuse to admit that when it comes right down to it, it's the parents fault for buying their child violent games in the first place. But of course they can't blame the parents, oh no no no. That would hurt their precious "image" to the public -_-
 

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I'm genuinely scared. I've never been scared of something for this long ever before. Not only scared about the Industry and my hobby, but also really scared about what will happen to the economy if this passes, because these people sure don't. They don't realize how big this industry is and what the repercussions will be if it falls (and if this passes it will fall), especially since we JUST got out of a recession (I think it's funny thta most people that support this law are probably the same people who say Obama hasn't done anything for this country because they're too close minded to look into what he's done and has been doing and why some things haven't passes, just like they're too close minded to actually learn about the Video Game Industy), and that the video game industry is one of the few industries to be majorly effected by the recession and that getting rid of said industry will most likely send us back into one.
 

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"Oral arguments in Schwarzenegger v. EMA/ESA are scheduled to take place on November 2."

so the lead actor in Terminator, predator, commando and almost every Hollywood action movie from the 80s is accusing the game industry of exposing minors to violence?

Hasta la vista, hypocrite