PC>Consoles is A Lie

[z0mbyjr]

Umm... No.
The Orange box is available on the 360 and PS3, which is True.
However, the console's version of the Orange box is much worse than the PC version. No, I am not talking about how the keyboard is superior to the gamepad (Actually, I think gamepads are better). The console versions of the Orange Box are un-patched. There was only 1 or 2 patches for the orange box on the consoles, while the PC versions had over 30. Team Fortress on the PC has about 10 times the official maps than the console, and has bonus weapons for each class.

Consoles are often cheaper, simpler, and require less upgrading. For a console, you just put in the game, and play. You never have to worry about system requirements, and crashes due to lack of CPU.
However, while more expensive, and requiring more maitnance, PC's have better graphics, mods, and better multiplayer.

The whole thing is pointless. It depends really on what kind of gamer you are.

 

[Clashero]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

So, that's it? You will not reply to my post, instead opting to say "I will not listen to what you say since nothing will change my mind, no matter how reasonable and logical it is."
Read several of the posts on this thread and you'll quickly realize your mistake, particularly the ones that discuss mods, the price of online play, graphics, and updates and patches. Oh, and I loved the one that talks about how you can get 360 controllers for the PC but you can't get a mouse+keyboard combo for a console.

That said, there are games which work better on a console (assuming the hypothetical PC doesn't have a gamepad). Racing games (assuming you don't play with a steering wheel), and fighting games.

And THAT said, consoles miss out on: TBS games, The Sims, MMORPG's, Flight Sims, RTS games and most indie/browser games, some of which are more fun than several big-name games.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

The keyboard is better than the controler, i am largly a console player, but im trying to get a gaming PC, I have played Halo CE and Counterstrike on the computer and the mouse is just so much easier to use and more accurate.

and PC's will always be better because they can run better games and don't break down as often. plus ememoharrpeegees can be played on computers, not consols.

 

[Amnestic]

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Actually, platformers are also better for consoles by far. Fighting games, too.

As far as I'm concerned only FPSes, RTSes, and anything involving either high-precision or menus-in-play (many turn-based games) are really best on PC. Just about anything else can easily be done on console and even FPSes can be fudged to help console players out. Like auto-aim, that's something console FPSes need to have to make it easier for gamepadders.

Eh, to an extent. It's not terribly difficult to hook up a gamepad to your PC for your racing games or your fighting games or your platformers or whatever, and then you've got your mouse+keyboard for RTS/FPS/Turn based games.

The unreasonable myth that PC=Mouse and Keyboard and Console=Gamepad is wrong. Consoles need to add Keyboard+mouse functionality and PC gamers need to recognise that gamepads are both affordable and easy to use (and indeed, better for some genres).

This is pointless.

And yet, you still posted.

 

[TheLastCylon]

I think this thread needs a flame shield.

Spoiler

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

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I'm going to have to echo Clashero's sentiment that KingPiccolOwned is not actually looking for discussion and is ignoring a lot of the more comprehensive responses out of hand.

This is a shame, because we're making a lot of good points.

And I agree with him that consoles are the better game machines. I just wanted to point out that his arguments for believing such were simply inaccurate. They're better for gaming, just not for the reasons he thinks they are.

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The unreasonable myth that PC=Mouse and Keyboard and Console=Gamepad is wrong. Consoles need to add Keyboard+mouse functionality and PC gamers need to recognise that gamepads are both affordable and easy to use (and indeed, better for some genres).

This is true, yes. My oversight.

 

[Eternal_24]

Successful troll is successful.

 

[DuplicateValue]

Oh dear. It's late.

Does anyone feel like summarising the OP for me? =]

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

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Okay I don't know what you mean by "flame bait" but if you are implying that I did this for shocks this is not quite the case. I say these things because they are my genuine opinion and saying something that I do no believe is beyond my capacities. As for about my notes on assassin's creed and Bioshock what I was going for was compairing game and story telling quality. I was guessing that everyone would pull the whole Half-life is greater than all console games thing on me so I went with something I figured could rival that in terms of the things that most people find attractive about that series. when it comes to the mouse thing, you have got me there I don't do that well with it, so I just figured that was the case with others bashing of the button pad.

 

[toasterslayer]

xbox haz some cool features now. like netflix and games on demand and avatars etc.and 1 v 100. it feels more like a community.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Oh dear. It's late.

Does anyone feel like summarising the OP for me? =]

I will, what I am essentially saying is I believe that console games can in fact be up to the same quality in terms of storytelling and over all gaming experience of a PC title.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Successful troll is successful.

Never call me that. I am no troll, a troll is someone who post a thread purely in the hopes they will recieve a reaction. Mine is done out of my own experiences and contains nothing but my own opinions and what I intend to do is voice them regardless if it gets a reaction or not.

 

[JaredXE]

As a member of the glorious pc gaming Master Race, I look down upon your insinuations that the dirty consoles can even compare to my tiny god.


All kidding aside, I play both. PC have ADVANTAGES in that there are tons more mods and editing available, superior and/or adjustable visuals not to mention tighter controls for certain types of games.

Consoles have ADVANTAGES in that they are virus-proof(for now), better controls for certain types of games, and usually your tv is bigger than your monitor so you get a larger picture and more depth.

I do have to say though, the big make-or-break in the console vs pc debate are MMO's. Sure, voice chat tech is catching up, but the ability to use a keyboard and mouse really does flush out your player experience. The closest MMORPG I have seen that could be console worthy is the upcoming Champions Online, and while you can map most any power or function to a controller, I still need the keyboard for certain fine control as well as general chatting.

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

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Well alright, I'll take that back. And my other wary comments above. Though the "Half-Life" argument you thought someone might use against you is already mooted. You should tell people that Half-Life was revolutionary for being the first FPS with a storyline worth playing through, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best.

You shouldn't try to justify consoles in the terms that PC fanboys might try to dictate to you. Consoles are better for reasons completely unrelated to the e-peens of the PC literati.

Even Brad Wardell, CEO of Stardock, says that he'd rather play on console than PC. He develops for PC because that's just where his target demographic is.

 

[Haydyn]

Personally, I hate FPSs on the PC. you don't tap a button to fire a gun, you pull a trigger. The only trigger you can pull in PC games is if you buy a joystick.

I love both my 360 and my PC. I've always been caught in the middle when it comes to the two. Why can't PC gamers and consule gamers take on the real enemy: casual gamers?

 

[toapat]

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Actually, platformers are also better for consoles by far. Fighting games, too.

platformers work on both equally. Fighting games are Hack&slash games, because Hack&Slash is button mashing

and im going that you dont have anything extra in that list

 

[Snotnarok]

I'm going to sound egotistical for a moment so bare with me.

Frankly I don't care what anyone says is better, it's all based on opinion and that's different from person to person You're wrong if you say your system is better than another because that's your opinion (unless it's against the Virtual boy I'll give it to you there). All this whining of PC vs console has gone on for so long and it's all down to what you ultimately like and what works for you, who cares if Bob doesn't like the Snortbox 3? Does it effect you? No. Just enjoy your system and say what you like about it. I don't get this competition thing, beside we all know that the Sega CD is the best console ever and we can all agree on that, who's up for some Silpheed? Huh?

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

platformers work on both equally. Fighting games are Hack&slash games, because Hack&Slash is button mashing

When people say "Hack & Slash" they usually mean action-RPGs and other non-competitive, non-FPS-type action games.

Fighting games are a bit more than button mashing. Unfortunately, they're so arcane and require so much skill, precision, reflexes, and psychology to play competitively that nobody gives a damn about them anymore.

And I suppose we'll agree to disagree with platformers, but I'll note that third-person perspective with a mouse and keyboard is always just a little more awkward than on gamepad. So is 2D action. Even the best PC indie platformers were meant to be played with gamepads. (Here's lookin' at you, Cave Story [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Story].)