PC Gaming Elitism

[Baradiel]

Consoles and PCs have elitists, but the PC is ALWAYS seen as the best system. The way that this is the norm, the fact that few people refute this, the almost excessive way that those few people are flamed, disagreed with and ignored, these are the reasons I personally think that PC elitism is the most abundant and the worst.

I have a PC and a 360, and while I have some games on the PC that are also on the 360 (Hitman Blood Money for example) I almost always get them on the 360. Why? Because I prefer the 360 to a PC. Its more fun and more immersive (to me, anyway.)

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

...and if you like mmo's those are basically non existant besides a few, such as ffxi or star ocean

I'm sorry, this is probably a flamebait, but I simply couldn't hold myself back

For your information, World of Warcraft has about 12 million subscribers who pay 20 dollars every month + additional 20 for every expansion ( 2 of which are practically must-buy for every half-serious player ). Minor fees for keeping the servers running included, they earn more than some small countries. The people take it so seriously the tickets to the last BlizzCon ( Blizzard fanfest ) were sold out with 8 seconds.

In addition to that, there is EVE Online with about half a million subscribers who happily fly to Iceland every year to talk with the developers about the future of the game. In fact, the playerbase is so loyal that quite a large % have been playing for over 6 years since beta.

MMOs are the most "serious business" games out there, please be sure you have some experience with what you are talking about before you claim you know the truth. That it all

i just saw this idk why it didn't tag me correctly, but oh i know lol you must not have seen, i was talking about console mmo's, believe me i know wow,eve,aion,etc.. and i know they are a massive calling, i just was talking about console mmo's and their following

 

[Sephychu]

I genuinely don't understand why all the hate for separate platforms.

1. They're all videogames. Let's enjoy them as a community.

2. Nobody gives a fuck about your bullshit opinions.

 

[Wolfinton]

Im a PC gamer - hardcore - who owns a PC, PS3, Wii and a xBox. I personally like the PC the best, but that is just me personally.

I am friends with a bunch of xBox idiots that wont even let me talk about games because "You play them on the PC, and PC games are shit!" . . . I have to say console gaming elitests are worse than PC in my own opinion. Yet again, my own opinion.

 

[Del-Toro]

Wait, you mean there's a group of people who have an opinion and have formed a facebook group that expresses it? And it just so happens that the opinion they express is a dislike for videogame consoles, the fact (presumably) that it's filled with rednecks and screaming 12 year olds(while they are just a bunch of pasty nerds who are either too heavy or not heavy enough), and a preference for Personal Computers? Wow, those elitist fuckheads. I hate them so much.

 

[acosn]

-like i also said earlier, third person shooters, hell i forgot to mention action/adventure games, there is a reason they come out on console, (using your own point there, about mmo's and rts's) so there are 4 different game types alone that are built around the console, and ports? all i hear about from pc elitists are how they are getting port after port from console, so obviously that is going plenty both ways

Right, but the majority of genres more or less work better on a PC. When I play a game that was built for the PC first, and the consoles as a port it's blatantly obvious. When I play a console-first game and then pick it up on the PC its not so obvious.

-and i did not ever say i doubt modding, you are making points and trying to argue against me like im a against it, so really all this about mods isn't necessary when i agreed saying they were nice, just not necessary, people buy the games for the game itself, not to see what little tinkerings people did with it on the side, there are still plenty of console games that are popular that are old as you are stating about some pc games, i pull out tons of old games all the time to give them another playthrough, as my friends tend to come over whenever i do too

I spent 50 bucks on SC. I played it for years. (over 40 hours)
I spent 50 bucks on WC3. I played it for years. (over 40 hours)
I spent 50 bucks on Skies of Arcadia. I played it through one play through and still haven't really picked it up again.

All three games I adore. Guess which one feels like it leaves something to be desired?

-and.....? that means zero work for me, i send it in and someone does the work and frustration for me, and nearly 90% of console owners i know these days have more then one console, more then likely a pc too,(especially the xbox that your pointing at) so if you really had to, they would have more then one if they are that addicted to games

Zero work for you, and you wait weeks. If it gets lost in the mail you're SOL too.

- not true. i look at the specs and it happens not just to me, as it happens to numerous amounts of people, so dont play that one like its simple and cut dry, and i have done that with many of websites, sometimes the questions get answered while other times they are 2 year old questions that have been buried and died out, in which im left with a game i can't sell back and can't run, when the whole time had i bought it for the console i could have been enjoying it from the first second i put it in

Maybe I have the Midas touch when it comes to video games for my computer but I've never had a problem that couldn't be solved by a trip to the game's tech support forums.

- oh just being a smartass here like you were, ps2 came out 10 years ago, therefore it did all those things actually, and on ps1 you could play music just fine which is even older

- and the virus thing, i was being a sarcastic smartass about that, i know its not that hard to avoid virus's, but in the point of porn, there is no garuntee on a pc that you wont get any

Don't connect to the internet. Don't go to websites you don't trust. Don't open emails you don't trust, and then don't open the attachments either. No guarantee? I'd beg to differ.

- my last point you dodged the first part, so i dont know if you have a response to that, but really how much luggage do you have going to college? i could fit more easily if needed in one load, i didn't bring my whole fucking house with me, and why would you bring it all back when visiting? you aren't gonna be there long, so whats the point? and you can technically fit them all on one long circular pole unless you are super afraid it'll get scratched somehow (highly unlikely as it is)

I need my laptop, an internet connection and the power cord to play games.

What do you need for your console?

 

[Laft Kranz]

With the advent of emulators that means everyones a PC gamer

With PC online gaming you get more hackers and exploits :/

I just play the system dependant on the game I want to play, to each their own.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

-like i also said earlier, third person shooters, hell i forgot to mention action/adventure games, there is a reason they come out on console, (using your own point there, about mmo's and rts's) so there are 4 different game types alone that are built around the console, and ports? all i hear about from pc elitists are how they are getting port after port from console, so obviously that is going plenty both ways

Right, but the majority of genres more or less work better on a PC. When I play a game that was built for the PC first, and the consoles as a port it's blatantly obvious. When I play a console-first game and then pick it up on the PC its not so obvious.

-and i did not ever say i doubt modding, you are making points and trying to argue against me like im a against it, so really all this about mods isn't necessary when i agreed saying they were nice, just not necessary, people buy the games for the game itself, not to see what little tinkerings people did with it on the side, there are still plenty of console games that are popular that are old as you are stating about some pc games, i pull out tons of old games all the time to give them another playthrough, as my friends tend to come over whenever i do too

I spent 50 bucks on SC. I played it for years. (over 40 hours)
I spent 50 bucks on WC3. I played it for years. (over 40 hours)
I spent 50 bucks on Skies of Arcadia. I played it through one play through and still haven't really picked it up again.

All three games I adore. Guess which one feels like it leaves something to be desired?

-and.....? that means zero work for me, i send it in and someone does the work and frustration for me, and nearly 90% of console owners i know these days have more then one console, more then likely a pc too,(especially the xbox that your pointing at) so if you really had to, they would have more then one if they are that addicted to games

Zero work for you, and you wait weeks. If it gets lost in the mail you're SOL too.

- not true. i look at the specs and it happens not just to me, as it happens to numerous amounts of people, so dont play that one like its simple and cut dry, and i have done that with many of websites, sometimes the questions get answered while other times they are 2 year old questions that have been buried and died out, in which im left with a game i can't sell back and can't run, when the whole time had i bought it for the console i could have been enjoying it from the first second i put it in

Maybe I have the Midas touch when it comes to video games for my computer but I've never had a problem that couldn't be solved by a trip to the game's tech support forums.

- oh just being a smartass here like you were, ps2 came out 10 years ago, therefore it did all those things actually, and on ps1 you could play music just fine which is even older

- and the virus thing, i was being a sarcastic smartass about that, i know its not that hard to avoid virus's, but in the point of porn, there is no garuntee on a pc that you wont get any

Don't connect to the internet. Don't go to websites you don't trust. Don't open emails you don't trust, and then don't open the attachments either. No guarantee? I'd beg to differ.

- my last point you dodged the first part, so i dont know if you have a response to that, but really how much luggage do you have going to college? i could fit more easily if needed in one load, i didn't bring my whole fucking house with me, and why would you bring it all back when visiting? you aren't gonna be there long, so whats the point? and you can technically fit them all on one long circular pole unless you are super afraid it'll get scratched somehow (highly unlikely as it is)

I need my laptop, an internet connection and the power cord to play games.

What do you need for your console?

-work better more or less? i just listed 3-4 different genre's that work better on console, while i can think of fps and rts and mmo that work perfectly on pc, name more that work better on pc and we'll see how true your statement is on that, because as far as i can see that isn't true at all, oh another one that that just came to mind is flying games, i'd love to see a computer do any kind of flying games better then a console, and are you joking? all i hear about on some threads is about how many pc elitists talk about how obvious console ports are when most console people i hear about never complain at all about controls or the gameplay, not once, name examples of when pc to console ports are blatantly obvious since you believe this so strongly

-and i can name even more numerous games i have played over the years for even more

battlefront II ( probably over 60 hours, i have a recorded a bit over 32,000 kills on it)
kingdom hearts 1 & 2 (beat both of those over 4 times at the least, summing up pretty good amounts of hours)
final fantasy vii ix x xii (probably accumulate for over a months worth of time for how much i've played those games combined)
any of the super smash bros games (i play all 3 from time to time) and thats really picked up hours over the years with how many tournaments me and friends will have

- yeah, i wait two weeks, which i haven't had to, and even if i did i have all the consoles plus my pc so why would i care? thats two measly weeks, im pretty sure i wont die in that time, and you can say the same about anything in the mail, which NEVER happens, i know 2 people who had to turn in their xbox's and they waited 2 weeks and were given a free month of xbox live with it (technically two weeks since the two weeks it took to send it in) so really, its not bad at all, and like i said your still nit picking at one system individually

- oh really? well in that whole time of you doing that i am playing my game from the start i put it in till the whole point of you searching and probably getting a little frustrated about it since you can't play the game you just purchased

- mm duh? you could say that to anyone? any dumbass who knows how to click a mouse could have said that answer to me? and that wasn't accomplishing anything anyways to a point about why your a pc elitist over playing a console

-depends on what im playing, and you actually need the right hardware, in your laptop, so once you make sure thats up to snuff, all i need is my console, tv (anyone and everyone i know has tv's everywhere, so this is basically a null factor if you want to try and use the tv thing against me), controller, and power adapter to hook up and im good to go for any game i want, wether its on my hard drive or disk doesn't matter, it'll work flawlessly garunteed


really i have no idea why you wanna persist with this, as half the points your trying to go for dont even affect the gaming part of the arguement, which was the original arguement you were going for, but you led off topic about it trying to make points to prove something that the average person knows anyways

 

[Lukeydoodly]

How mature.

 

[LordZ]

... the whole point of systems are a set amount of hardware that runs flawlessly when you need it to, with no installations, just plug n play, which obviously a mass majority of the world prefers, thats more or less in a nutshell why people do consoles over pc

This is exactly what makes console fanbois the worst tards on the planet. As much as I hate to give credit to anything Apple related, their Macs are technically the best console out there. The problem is that no developer makes games for Macs. The only reason Macs aren't the ultimate console is because they aren't marketed towards games(I'm really thankful they don't care about gamers because I'd consider it the death of gaming, if Macs took over). Macs are fully functional computers and they're prebuilt machines that come with very specific hardware, just like a console. All of the supposed benefits of a console are right there and then some. Of course, there's the Mac Tax that makes them above the price point of a console. That doesn't mean they couldn't make a Mac specifically for gaming but they just refuse to even try.

Technically, if a PC developer wanted to, they could do adequate bug testing before release(some even already do this but others release before they're ready due to time/money constraints and/or they just don't give a shit) and make their game run entirely off the disc. That's what they used to do in the day before hard drives were big enough to install games to. However, only a retard would ignore the benefits of running off of the hard drive. PC games used to come with the option to run off of the disc or install the game to reduce load times. The thing is, every one ignored the option to run off the disc because spending 15-30 minutes installing it to dramatically reduce load times is a no-brainer. Only a lazy bastard who would rather ***** about load times would choose not to install a game versus running it completely off of the disc. Even console games are beginning to come with the option to install to the hard drive to reduce load times and, guess what, that's what people do. So, tell me again how this plug and play advantage is so great on a console when you've got console games that are just as buggy or worse than some PC games and you've got people installing to their console hdd just to avoid load times like they'd do on a PC. Seriously, PC games used to be exactly like console games and then they evolved. Going back to running off of a disc and having excessive load times would be a step back for PC gaming, not a step forward.

Seriously, do you even try to know wtf you're saying before you post it? There's only one even remotely valid point to people choosing a console over a PC. The initial cost of a console is less than a PC. However, anyone willing to look past the price tag of a new console vs the price tag of a "prebuilt gaming PC" would realize they aren't really saving any money. The price difference between a custom built gamer PC and a console isn't that high, especially when you add in the cost of all of those over priced extra cables, adapters, controllers, etc. that go into a console. If you play more than 2-4 games per year, that gamer PC will pay for itself, in the first year. The only reason I even have a console is for the handful of console exclusive games that are actually worth a damn. If those games were adequately ported to the PC, I'd never ever buy another console.

 

[Deleted]

The PC is better then every other game platform in every possible way other then ease of use and control preferences. Yes, I am elitist.

Glad to be one, too.

PC Games have no 4 player split screen, no "friends gaming on the couch" feeling, and are more portable so they're not better in every possible way!

Also, not directed at you Mihz00, but LOL at the pc elitists who disregard Exclusive titles as a reason to buy consoles.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

... the whole point of systems are a set amount of hardware that runs flawlessly when you need it to, with no installations, just plug n play, which obviously a mass majority of the world prefers, thats more or less in a nutshell why people do consoles over pc

This is exactly what makes console fanbois the worst tards on the planet. As much as I hate to give credit to anything Apple related, their Macs are technically the best console out there. The problem is that no developer makes games for Macs. The only reason Macs aren't the ultimate console is because they aren't marketed towards games(I'm really thankful they don't care about gamers because I'd consider it the death of gaming, if Macs took over). Macs are fully functional computers and they're prebuilt machines that come with very specific hardware, just like a console. All of the supposed benefits of a console are right there and then some. Of course, there's the Mac Tax that makes them above the price point of a console. That doesn't mean they couldn't make a Mac specifically for gaming but they just refuse to even try.

Technically, if a PC developer wanted to, they could do adequate bug testing before release(some even already do this but others release before they're ready due to time/money constraints and/or they just don't give a shit) and make their game run entirely off the disc. That's what they used to do in the day before hard drives were big enough to install games to. However, only a retard would ignore the benefits of running off of the hard drive. PC games used to come with the option to run off of the disc or install the game to reduce load times. The thing is, every one ignored the option to run off the disc because spending 15-30 minutes installing it to dramatically reduce load times is a no-brainer. Only a lazy bastard who would rather ***** about load times would choose not to install a game versus running it completely off of the disc. Even console games are beginning to come with the option to install to the hard drive to reduce load times and, guess what, that's what people do. So, tell me again how this plug and play advantage is so great on a console when you've got console games that are just as buggy or worse than some PC games and you've got people installing to their console hdd just to avoid load times like they'd do on a PC. Seriously, PC games used to be exactly like console games and then they evolved. Going back to running off of a disc and having excessive load times would be a step back for PC gaming, not a step forward.

Seriously, do you even try to know wtf you're saying before you post it? There's only one even remotely valid point to people choosing a console over a PC. The initial cost of a console is less than a PC. However, anyone willing to look past the price tag of a new console vs the price tag of a "prebuilt gaming PC" would realize they aren't really saving any money. The price difference between a custom built gamer PC and a console isn't that high, especially when you add in the cost of all of those over priced extra cables, adapters, controllers, etc. that go into a console. If you play more than 2-4 games per year, that gamer PC will pay for itself, in the first year. The only reason I even have a console is for the handful of console exclusive games that are actually worth a damn. If those games were adequately ported to the PC, I'd never ever buy another console.

first off, calm the fuck down dude, i even said earlier on that i was playing the devil's advocate there, providing that i have all the systems and play games across all platforms

nearly your whole first paragraph is bitching about putting it on hardrive, which yes, i do that, all the time, with my pc games, with my console ones, i have had maybe two that need to be put on hardrive, and if they are, they are less then a minute worth of waiting, while on my pc it took a good half hour to put the last game i put on my pc, in which i have played it on pc and console, and on console it worked just fine, no bugs, no longer load times, in which on my pc it slightly lagged a bit here and there due to my pc not being the fastest thing on earth, which im not complaining about, just showing that my arguement is still holding value on plug n play, and seriously what console games do you play that are so buggy? i have yet to encounter a game, besides bethesda games (good lord bugs galore, in which that happens too on the pc for that developer), that doesn't work great on consoles, in which i mean have maybe 2 bug encounters, if that, the whole time im playing the game (from start to finish)

you are talking about excessive load times, which i hardly encounter in my console games, so i have no qualms with that at all, i have had it happen on an occasion or two when my pc is loading a big area (such as on kotor) but otherwise doesn't seem too bad, and what you are forgetting is that the 'plug n play' is garunteed to work, in which when you buy a pc game it is not garunteed to work on your rig, so thats what i was getting at with that arguement

and adapters, extra cords,...?? are you trying to run your console through a alarm clock? anything you need comes with the initial purchase of a system short of a tv, which 99% of people have (if you dont have one then why are you buying a console in the first place..? aren't you eating off food stamps?) and most people buy more then one controller, because they have...friends? thats one super good point about consoles, is havin some friends over for some good old couch time, playin some co op, or splitscreen multi, you can't tell me brawl would be better on a pc (short of graphics, in which that game doesn't even care about graphics as it is)

and i do agree, that in the long run, buying a gamer pc for more 'hardcore' people is probably money worth spent, however, it would take alot more games then you are stating, as i would say more like 9-10 a year, because once you have that gamer pc, you still need to buy the games for it (unless you are a cheap pirating bastard, which i know alot of people who are), so your still stuck at spending money there

and really, that is why people aren't open to pc gaming, is because you turn into an elitist prick, who has to point at and whine about anything different from your main choice, seriously have you seen nearly any console fanboys on this thread? no, nearly all the elitism is stemming from alot of pc fanboys, so dont say console tards are the worst on the planet, because that arguement is hardly at any weight anymore (in which i dont even know why your trying to point that at me, i specifically stated before i play on all systems, seeing as i keep an open mind)

 

[LordZ]

first off, calm the fuck down dude, i even said earlier on that i was playing the devil's advocate there, providing that i have all the systems and play games across all platforms

nearly your whole first paragraph is bitching about putting it on hardrive, which yes, i do that, all the time, with my pc games, with my console ones, i have had maybe two that need to be put on hardrive, and if they are, they are less then a minute worth of waiting, while on my pc it took a good half hour to put the last game i put on my pc, in which i have played it on pc and console, and on console it worked just fine, no bugs, no longer load times, in which on my pc it slightly lagged a bit here and there due to my pc not being the fastest thing on earth, which im not complaining about, just showing that my arguement is still holding value on plug n play, and seriously what console games do you play that are so buggy? i have yet to encounter a game, besides bethesda games (good lord bugs galore, in which that happens too on the pc for that developer), that doesn't work great on consoles, in which i mean have maybe 2 bug encounters, if that, the whole time im playing the game (from start to finish)

you are talking about excessive load times, which i hardly encounter in my console games, so i have no qualms with that at all, i have had it happen on an occasion or two when my pc is loading a big area (such as on kotor) but otherwise doesn't seem too bad, and what you are forgetting is that the 'plug n play' is garunteed to work, in which when you buy a pc game it is not garunteed to work on your rig, so thats what i was getting at with that arguement

and adapters, extra cords,...?? are you trying to run your console through a alarm clock? anything you need comes with the initial purchase of a system short of a tv, which 99% of people have (if you dont have one then why are you buying a console in the first place..? aren't you eating off food stamps?) and most people buy more then one controller, because they have...friends? thats one super good point about consoles, is havin some friends over for some good old couch time, playin some co op, or splitscreen multi, you can't tell me brawl would be better on a pc (short of graphics, in which that game doesn't even care about graphics as it is)

and i do agree, that in the long run, buying a gamer pc for more 'hardcore' people is probably money worth spent, however, it would take alot more games then you are stating, as i would say more like 9-10 a year, because once you have that gamer pc, you still need to buy the games for it (unless you are a cheap pirating bastard, which i know alot of people who are), so your still stuck at spending money there

and really, that is why people aren't open to pc gaming, is because you turn into an elitist prick, who has to point at and whine about anything different from your main choice, seriously have you seen nearly any console fanboys on this thread? no, nearly all the elitism is stemming from alot of pc fanboys, so dont say console tards are the worst on the planet, because that arguement is hardly at any weight anymore (in which i dont even know why your trying to point that at me, i specifically stated before i play on all systems, seeing as i keep an open mind)

You don't have to pirate games to get the full worth of a PC. There's plenty of legally free or cheap games that are decently made and fun. You don't have to buy every "AAA" title out there to enjoy games. Even then, PC games tend to be cheaper. You should see some of the sales Steam has(last year's AAA titles for $5). Of course, if you have to have every game at day one, you'll never save any money.

You can game on computers as cheap as $400. I know, that's still more than a console but not by much. Also, I was talking about the 360 specifically in how you have to buy a hard drive separate or get the expensive bundle that is nearly the same price as a PC. Ultimately, all of those little extra pieces of crap you have to buy with every system to use their full potential. You don't have to buy extras for a PC because those "extras" are standard parts that go into the original build. I know, a true "gamer" build is usually double($800) but you don't have to have a gamer build to play games. It's only necessary for the high end titles. Also, as I stated previously, $60+ per console game adds up quick compared to what you can pay on PC.

It's pointless to compare ports. When you port a PC game to console, the console game is almost always terrible regardless of how well the PC game was. The reverse is only sometimes true. If they put a lot of effort into the PC version, it is almost certainly going to be better. If they put minimal effort(the common occurrence), it's not going to be as good as the original console version. I was comparing games made specifically for PC versus games made specifically for console.

I just think it's sad how people play on a console and think that's the best there is. You can get better and cheaper experiences on a PC. The only exception would be someone who has very little money and can only play like a few games a year. Even then, saving up for a PC might be better simply because of how much more a PC can do.

I was originally a console gamer. I got my first PC in 1997 and have been primarily a PC gamer since. I still own a few consoles because of a few console exclusives. However, if I were on a tight budget, I'd drop the consoles before dropping my PC.

I wasn't specifically pointing the comments about console tards at you, I just get tired of the sheer ignorance that goes on among console players. I wont say there aren't PC gamers with the same level of stupidity but there's a lot less of them. To see clearly what I mean, play on Live for a little while and play on Steam a little while. There's a clear difference there.

It's not like I've ever tried to claim that people who play a console are all retards. Clearly, that would be a foolish claim to make when I play consoles as well. I play both but I very much prefer the PC platform and for good reason. I don't try to dump on console players for being console players. I do try to show them where they can find better games for less though.

 

[W00ty32]

FPS- M+K
RTS- M+K
Fighting games- Gamepad (AKA wired 360 controller attached to my computer)
Action adventure M+K
Platformer- Controller.

SO basically, the only time you should be using a controller is when you don't have to aim. AT ALL.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

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true, i dont pirate at all and frown upon people who do pirate, but i had just made the assumption you were talking about high end titles, in which yes there are tons of free pc games and indie games that are cheap, ill agree there, thats not a arguement at all

(however just pointing out, there are shit tons of games you can buy on wii store, psn, or live that are dirt cheap, wether they are old or not just depends slightly on price, which can go anywhere from about 5-20 bucks usually)

and yeah if you wanna game only on way older games and flash games and such, pc is not a problem about price, but primaly pc gamer users tend to upgrade the piss out of their rigs to run shit on max for newer games, which that tends to get pricey, which i just had made the assumption initially thats what we were talking about

which i understand buying 60 dollar games is a alot of money and adds up, i hardly know anyone who does that, most hte people i know we buy stuff used (unless its something i really want, like a bioware game) then i get that new, otherwise all the stuff i get is used and usually 20-30 bucks, if that, and i trade in super old games from now and then to make that even cheaper, sometimes i dont even spend money, which again im selling the game yes, thats a negative in some peoples book, while in others (like mine) once i've beaten the piss out of it, i have no more use for it


the port thing is a matter of preference, yeah they do get shitty ports, alot, i do agree, but i think they can go both ways sometimes depending on the developer/and or specific game

yeah no doubt the pc has the unlimited potential over consoles, i will not argue it doesn't, just saying consoles mostly come stress and hassle free, plug it in, works, you play, your good to go, sure pc isn't like an auto fail, just saying if you dont have a good pc rig, your chance of having the games work right goes down over time

and no offense taken, and yes there is a difference, the only time anything has happened on steam was getting booted from a few groups on l4d and on diablo II sometimes, otherwise wasn't too bad

on live, it happens every once in a while, which usually is followed by a mute, but their are dumbasses on there, mostly redneck americans with dumbass music playing in the background (sad to say i share the same race and nationality as them...)

and thats fine on your last point, you sir are perfectly fine and applaud you for that, just saying it comes out of NO where sometimes the elitism i see, and its just a massive "wtf?..." but like in your case, just showing and giving some good solid opinions with respect is fine


and....

cookie?

 

[Wolfram23]

How is it that a mod hasn't locked this thread flame war?

Both are good, both are bad. Many of the expressed opinions are either false or horribly flawed for either way. PCs do more than consoles? Ok, but everyone here clearly has a PC that can do all those things, without necessarily playing games. Consoles can't do FPS/RTS? Some people prefer the controller for FPS games, and if not, there's still the Splitfish Frag nunchuck + mouse controller for PS3 and it's EXCELLENT. There's not many RTS games but again you can plug in any USB or Bluetooth keyboard into a PS3 and it works so there's simply a lack of development for them. PC games can be modded? Sure, but not everyone can give two shits about it. I've spent months and months of time gaming on PC and almost never use mods, so great for some people but for many it's a moot issue.

My point is twofold: what you think is good somebody else doesn't care for, and your opinions are invariably biased and oftentimes wrong.

"[Elitism] is an infantile disease" - Einstein

Get over yourselves.

 

[omega 616]

I do try to show them where they can find better games for less though.

In your opinion. To me pc gaming is crap and I will always prefer console gaming.

Just so I know what kind of insult is "console tard"? Pc gamers sound like a close minded bunch.

 

[ToastyTheCommie]

i cant stand how fucking superior pc gamers think they are! jesus christ play the games you love and let the others do the same, it's like.... gamer racism or something