PC Gaming Elitism

[Withard]

Long post

and yet your whole argument is invalidated with the word "opinion"

You mean "FACT"

Like I said just something I found from 2 years back. Meaning the advances in PC gaming are bigger again....OH WAIT....XBOX has NATAL. *golf clap*


In the long run if you intend to play more than a few games then the PC is "STATISTICALLY" superior. Being fanboi rant or not its just plain fact.

 

[one of them]

Lol you shouldn't hate Console gamers, if anything you should feel sorry for them. You get so much more satisfaction from PC games then you do consoles, they're simply missing out. No need to call them Retarded Noobs.

 

[Bat Vader]

Long post

and yet your whole argument is invalidated with the word "opinion"

You mean "FACT"

Like I said just something I found from 2 years back. Meaning the advances in PC gaming are bigger again....OH WAIT....XBOX has NATAL. *golf clap*


In the long run if you intend to play more than a few games then the PC is "STATISTICALLY" superior. Being fanboi rant or not its just plain fact.

No, I am pretty sure he means opinion. You may be stating facts but the the fact you like PC gaming more is an opinion. I can play just as well with a mouse and keyboard as I can with a console controller.

Does it really matter what type of system a person plays video games on? As long as they enjoy playing video games on that system that is what matters.

On Topic: PC Elitists and Console Fanboys are both illogical and silly. The minute you start insulting someone for what system they play video games on or refuse to even try something new out just because it isn't a console or a PC is when you lose all credibility with an opinion.

Also, I own both a PC and Consoles and I am not a fanboy to either of them.

 

[Jennacide]

Every gaming platform has its elitists. The PC is no different.

And thus this thread should of ended at the second post. =p

PC Elitists are no better or worse than the insanely devote PS3 or 360 fans. I would add Wii-fans, but we all know they are myth.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I believe there are gaming genre's that lend itself to one platform or another. My PC has more horsepower than an XBox360 and it hooks up to my TV... You wouldn't catch me dead playing an FPS on a console with my thumbs... nor would you see me try and play Street Fighter with my keyboard. It's not about being elitest for me so much as logical.

This, if you put a console sniper against a pc sniper the pc is obviously going to win, but other games? It all depends on the genre people!

 

[W00ty32]

and yet your whole argument is invalidated with the word "opinion"

1. Mouse and keyboard support

Well, duh. Console kids who have grown up with a controller in hand might argue, but there's still no better way of playing just about any game in any genre ? not just shooters ? than the combination of keyboard and mouse. It just works, offering orders of magnitude more precision and speed than fiddly analogue sticks.

Ok, this could be opinion. But do half the stuff in that tutorial(rocketjumping Especially)on a controller and get back to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI29xEnfTzI

2. High screen resolutions

While Microsoft and Sony scream about 'true HD' in their games ? but in many cases don't actually deliver it ? the PC has been happily running games at 1080p and above for yonks. In fact, the near-HD default res of 1,280x1,024 is very 2001; even a medium rig can handle 1,600x1,200 or more these days.

This is true, and fact(for the 360 at least). The 360 only outputs 720p, and merely upscales to 1080p when necessary. Not as good of a picture. And besides, you can pump the graphics higher in PC games, anyway.

3. Free mods

Were you a raw naif, you might be forgiven for thinking that LittleBigPlanet et al single-handedly invented the idea of (nnnggh) 'user generated content'. But guess what? PC gamers have been coding mods (modifications) such as add-ons, total conversions, unofficial levels and all manner of other gubbins for? well, pretty much forever. And then distributing it for free, for the sheer love of it.

I don't see how this could possibly be opinion. A simple look at "FPSbanana" shows me MANY, MANY, maps for most of the decent multiplayer maps out today, and a further look around the internetz will find me many half life maps, mods, and full games out for free based off of the source engine HL2 runs on.

4. Upgradeable hardware

With the aforementioned higher resolutions and textures, chances are a new PC game already looks better than its console counterpart right now. But even if you can't run it with all the visuals tweaked to the max, processor and graphic cards prices drop so quickly that it's hardly bank-breaking to refit your rig in a year or so, for better graphics and more speed.

Nothing really to say, here. I guess this could be said as opinion, but a look at newegg pretty much confirms it.

5. Cheaper games

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's licensing and publishing costs inevitably drive up the cost of every single game released, and even pre-owned games tend to be far pricier than the PC equivalent.

True. With the exception with some games coming from horrid publishers(MW2 Activision), all new PC games are 50$. As you most likely know, console games are 60$.

6. You're not tied to one online service

Imagine not having to rely on a single, central server such as Xbox Live or PlayStation Network whenever you go online. Imagine not having to suffer downtimes, silly licensing agreements, or daft console-restricting DRM. Oh wait? that's the PC online, isn't it?

FACT. Dedicated servers make sure of this.

7. No extra dosh needed for playing online

Okay, this only applies to Xbox Live, but who's to say that Sony might not start charging for PSN as it keeps haemorrhaging money? And yes, Xboxers can use the free Silver service, but really ? why would you?

Hey, look at that! I can play BC2, TF2, CoD4, L4D2, and many more games (excepting some MMO's) completely free, beyond the cost I pay to my ISP. I see fact here, not opinion

8. Unlimited storage space

The Xbox 360 is limited to whatever can fit on a DVD (or, if you're unlucky, more than one). The PlayStation 3 has to struggle with turgid Blu-ray access and enforced installs. PC games, meanwhile, just sit happily on the potentially unlimited storage space of your hard drive. Easy.

60 GB 360 Hard Drive: 99.99$. Replaceable, easliy. UNLIMITED, BUT EXPENSIVE AS ****.

500 GB PS3 Hard Drive: 96$. And one slot. It would be hard to fill, as you could put 1 TB drives in, too. But there is only one slot. And I think they have external drive support. UNLIMITED, SLIGHTLY EXPENSIVE.

500 GB Computer Hard Drive: 56$. With 5 slots to hold the hard drives. And USB to plug in external HDDs. UNLIMITED. CHEAP.

So yeah, all have unlimited, but doing it for the PC it by far the cheapest.

9. Save game hacking

Like modders, PC gamers are rabidly enthusiastic about pulling apart save games and data files, fiddling therein, and finding ingenious ways to cheat or fix corrupted files. Try doing that with your Wii.

FACT. Some games don't allow it, but they are the minority.

10. Unofficial fixes for older games

PC games such as Vampire: The Masquerade often get unofficial, free, support long after publishers have gone kaput and official support is abandoned, thanks to the tireless efforts of their fans. Bug fixes, enhancements, new hardware support ? it's all there.

FACT. I don't see how this could be opinion.

11. Abandonware

The geek term for 'old games which you can't buy any more'. There are a huge number of classic PC titles out there from years gone by, and many thousands are available to download, legally, for free.

http://www.myabandonware.com/
Hmm, that really looks like an opinion, huh?

12. No red ring of death

Well, you only get this on the Xbox, of course, but the last thing you want your gaming machine to do is to completely konk out. At least when a PC goes wrong, it really goes wrong. Like, with fire and everything (possibly).

OK, I think he said this wrong. With PC's, if they go Kaput, you can open them up, and replace the specific component that went wrong, possibly upgrading it in the process. And besides, PC's don't fail often.

Hmmm how many games could I get for PC on 80 quid?
Lets find out.

Valve Complete Pack with 22 games including Left 4 Dead 1 + 2, Half Life 1 + 2 Team Fortress 2, Portal, Counterstrike Source (Including EVERY ADD ON such as Episode 1 + 2) for 52.99

Aliens Vs Predator + Map Pack = 16.74

GTA IV for 8 quid in ASDA

Man Christmas on STEAM was amazing. You could have gotten the Valve pack for about 22 quid.


Also the argument thats probably gonna come up with "WAAAAHHHHH NO MONITOR!" is null because it can also be plugged into a television. Solved.

Steam is amazing. There are always sales going on, so the prices are great. You'd never see the deals on it at a gamestop or something, as they have to sell a physical product, too.

I bought Team Fortress 2 for 2.50$. Yeah. Tell me where I can get A 360/PS3 game for 2.50.

Well, this post was really long... But minmaxo's post was just SO wrong that I had to point it out.

Really, the only thing I could consider "opinion" is the M+K vs. Controller part, and even that is iffy.

 

[The_Graff]

Every gaming platform has its elitists. The PC is no different.

true, but PC Elitists are justified and correct in their elitism.

 

[omega 616]

Every gaming platform has its elitists. The PC is no different.

true, but PC Elitists are justified and correct in their elitism.

and much further up their own asses

There secret is there so far up there they look normal. I jest.

PC's don't fail often.

Is that a joke? Of all the consoles I have had, I have only needed one of them, on the other hand I have had to replace many pc parts and had 2 or 3 pc's.

I find this thread quite funny, most arguing that the pc should be given some kind of MBE for services to gaming, like it matters.

Maybe the pc is better but so what? 12 pages of "consoles suck 'cos ...." just seems fruitless, since I don't think one person has said that consoles are better.

 

[SirDX]

I only play PC games but that's because it gets all the games I want (plus, every RTS I've played on console sucked. And RPGs on consoles are usually a mixture of FPS/RPG rather than BG2-style RPG, which doesn't work for me). I don't dislike consoles - I love racing games on consoles but not on PC.

I'll use what I say when I discuss with someone on OS (linux vs windows, kinda):

Use the best tool for the job. Consoles are good (imho) for FPS and racing games (maybe sports, too, never played any). PC are good for straight-RPG and RTS.

 

[W00ty32]

Is that a joke? Of all the consoles I have had, I have only needed one of them, on the other hand I have had to replace many pc parts and had 2 or 3 pc's.

I find this thread quite funny, most arguing that the pc should be given some kind of MBE for services to gaming, like it matters.

Maybe the pc is better but so what? 12 pages of "consoles suck 'cos ...." just seems fruitless, since I don't think one person has said that consoles are better.

Ok, fine. My PC doesn't fail often.

But you said you only needed one console and you needed many PC's. Well, how long have you owned the PC, and how long have you owned the console? And have you used the PC for anything other than gaming? If you have, it isn't a fair comparison.

Yeah, I didn't bother to read this whole topic, and I really only posted because I thought that Minmaxo's post was completely wrong. I think Withard's post should be /topic. He basically distilled every good point about using a PC into his post. Some PC elitism is kinda being a ***, but really, I don't see any reason to play video games on a console over a PC. And You said it yourself, not one person in this topic has said consoles are better. Why, then, does everybody play their games on consoles? is it just too complicated to get a good computer?

 

[omega 616]

Ok, fine. My PC doesn't fail often.

But you said you only needed one console and you needed many PC's. Well, how long have you owned the PC, and how long have you owned the console? And have you used the PC for anything other than gaming? If you have, it isn't a fair comparison.

Yeah, I didn't bother to read this whole topic, and I really only posted because I thought that Minmaxo's post was completely wrong. I think Withard's post should be /topic. He basically distilled every good point about using a PC into his post. Some PC elitism is kinda being an ***, but really, I don't see any reason to play video games on a console over a PC. And You said it yourself, not one person in this topic has said consoles are better. Why, then, does everybody play their games on consoles? is it just too complicated to get a good computer?

I have had consoles since the Atari 2600 and I am 20 years old now, so along ass time. I have never broken a console and only got rid of it to get the new generation, so I got a PS2 when they came out and got rid of my PSX etc.

I have 3 or 4 pc's that weren't solely dedicated to gaming (more of a family computer) but doesn't gaming wear more on pc's than using it for any other reason? The pc I have now is geared toward gaming but it's mid to low range, my hard drive went tits up after less than 6 months.

That might just be my bad luck though.

Only my first paragraph was aimed at you by the way.

It's all about preferences, alot of people seem to be like the Hitler of gaming "pc gaming is the Aryan race and all other forms are inferior!", while (atleast in this thread) console gamers are like Sweden during the war "we will shoot down anyone but our own but were all pretty much even".

I much, much prefer console gaming to pc gaming, while I can play on a pc, I am much better and happier on a console.

As a console player here is my breakdown of Withard's list of "pro's" for pc gaming:

1. Mouse and keyboard support, I prefer the PS3 controller.

2. High screen resolutions, woopy, seriously, I could not care less about this.

3. Free mods, see number 2's response.

4. Upgradeable hardware, see number 2's response.

5. Cheaper games, brand spanking new games are usually £10 cheaper, really old ones are cheap as hell some aren't, depends on the game. Look at PS2/PS1 and XBOX games, some are cheap as hell others aren't depends on the game.

6. You're not tied to one online service, see number 2's response.

7. No extra dosh needed for playing online, I have a PS3 so this doesn't apply to me. 360 owners have to bite the bullet on this one.

8. Unlimited storage space (no it doesn't), PS3 can have up to 1TB thats more than enough ... if it's not, delete some stuff!

9. Save game hacking, see number 2's response.

11. Abandonware, see number 2's response.

12. No red ring of death, but they still break down.

Thats not me having no counter arguments to those points but think of it like this, I (as a guy) care about those things (I have stated) as much as I care about the new range of feminine products ... I just don't.

 

[Delusibeta]

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Ok, fine. My PC doesn't fail often.

But you said you only needed one console and you needed many PC's. Well, how long have you owned the PC, and how long have you owned the console? And have you used the PC for anything other than gaming? If you have, it isn't a fair comparison.

Yeah, I didn't bother to read this whole topic, and I really only posted because I thought that Minmaxo's post was completely wrong. I think Withard's post should be /topic. He basically distilled every good point about using a PC into his post. Some PC elitism is kinda being an ***, but really, I don't see any reason to play video games on a console over a PC. And You said it yourself, not one person in this topic has said consoles are better. Why, then, does everybody play their games on consoles? is it just too complicated to get a good computer?

I have had consoles since the Atari 2600 and I am 20 years old now, so along ass time. I have never broken a console and only got rid of it to get the new generation, so I got a PS2 when they came out and got rid of my PSX etc.

I have 3 or 4 pc's that weren't solely dedicated to gaming (more of a family computer) but doesn't gaming wear more on pc's than using it for any other reason? The pc I have now is geared toward gaming but it's mid to low range, my hard drive went tits up after less than 6 months.

That might just be my bad luck though.

Only my first paragraph was aimed at you by the way.

It's all about preferences, alot of people seem to be like the Hitler of gaming "pc gaming is the Aryan race and all other forms are inferior!", while (atleast in this thread) console gamers are like Sweden during the war "we will shoot down anyone but our own but were all pretty much even".

I much, much prefer console gaming to pc gaming, while I can play on a pc, I am much better and happier on a console.

On the hard drive issue, I have yet to experience a hard drive failure in this household, and the oldest computer has served faithfully for seven years. So I'm going to say that either where you buy your stuff sucks or you're unlucky. On everything else, each to their own.

 

[Withard]

Ok, fine. My PC doesn't fail often.

But you said you only needed one console and you needed many PC's. Well, how long have you owned the PC, and how long have you owned the console? And have you used the PC for anything other than gaming? If you have, it isn't a fair comparison.

Yeah, I didn't bother to read this whole topic, and I really only posted because I thought that Minmaxo's post was completely wrong. I think Withard's post should be /topic. He basically distilled every good point about using a PC into his post. Some PC elitism is kinda being an ***, but really, I don't see any reason to play video games on a console over a PC. And You said it yourself, not one person in this topic has said consoles are better. Why, then, does everybody play their games on consoles? is it just too complicated to get a good computer?

I have had consoles since the Atari 2600 and I am 20 years old now, so along ass time. I have never broken a console and only got rid of it to get the new generation, so I got a PS2 when they came out and got rid of my PSX etc.

I have 3 or 4 pc's that weren't solely dedicated to gaming (more of a family computer) but doesn't gaming wear more on pc's than using it for any other reason? The pc I have now is geared toward gaming but it's mid to low range, my hard drive went tits up after less than 6 months.

That might just be my bad luck though.

Only my first paragraph was aimed at you by the way.

It's all about preferences, alot of people seem to be like the Hitler of gaming "pc gaming is the Aryan race and all other forms are inferior!", while (atleast in this thread) console gamers are like Sweden during the war "we will shoot down anyone but our own but were all pretty much even".

I much, much prefer console gaming to pc gaming, while I can play on a pc, I am much better and happier on a console.

As a console player here is my breakdown of Withard's list of "pro's" for pc gaming:

1. Mouse and keyboard support, I prefer the PS3 controller.

2. High screen resolutions, woopy, seriously, I could not care less about this.

3. Free mods, see number 2's response.

4. Upgradeable hardware, see number 2's response.

5. Cheaper games, brand spanking new games are usually £10 cheaper, really old ones are cheap as hell some aren't, depends on the game. Look at PS2/PS1 and XBOX games, some are cheap as hell others aren't depends on the game.

6. You're not tied to one online service, see number 2's response.

7. No extra dosh needed for playing online, I have a PS3 so this doesn't apply to me. 360 owners have to bite the bullet on this one.

8. Unlimited storage space (no it doesn't), PS3 can have up to 1TB thats more than enough ... if it's not, delete some stuff!

9. Save game hacking, see number 2's response.

11. Abandonware, see number 2's response.

12. No red ring of death, but they still break down.

Thats not me having no counter arguments to those points but think of it like this, I (as a guy) care about those things (I have stated) as much as I care about the new range of feminine products ... I just don't.

You dont care....but they exist so your argument is 100% void. Next.

 

[omega 616]

You dont care....but they exist so your argument is 100% void. Next.

You might find most console gamers don't care either so wouldn't that mean your points are null and void? I think so.

If I was the only person who didn't care about them then your right.

You also never mentioned the other points that I did counter.

So as you polity said, next.

 

[W00ty32]

I have had consoles since the Atari 2600 and I am 20 years old now, so along ass time. I have never broken a console and only got rid of it to get the new generation, so I got a PS2 when they came out and got rid of my PSX etc.

I have 3 or 4 pc's that weren't solely dedicated to gaming (more of a family computer) but doesn't gaming wear more on pc's than using it for any other reason? The pc I have now is geared toward gaming but it's mid to low range, my hard drive went tits up after less than 6 months.

That might just be my bad luck though.

My point for the "use only for gaming" is that it messes up comps less, not more. If you use the internet regularly on that computer, you will get viruses and other things slowing down the computer, and causing crashes more.

It's all about preferences, alot of people seem to be like the Hitler of gaming "pc gaming is the Aryan race and all other forms are inferior!", while (atleast in this thread) console gamers are like Sweden during the war "we will shoot down anyone but our own but were all pretty much even".

I much, much prefer console gaming to pc gaming, while I can play on a pc, I am much better and happier on a console.

1. Mouse and keyboard support, I prefer the PS3 controller.

Whatever your opinions about this are, controllers are a limiting factor in skill. with a mouse, I can do a 180 in a split second, aim, shoot, and then aim back forward very quickly. unless the game has the option to put the sensitivity insanely high, you will not be able to do this. And even if you can put it high, your aiming suffers.

2. High screen resolutions, woopy, seriously, I could not care less about this.

Ok, fine.

3. Free mods, see number 2's response.

Wait, you don't like free things?
You prefer to have to pay 15$ for 5 maps? If it weren't for the IWnet/no mods Fiasco, I bet you modders would have imported every single cod 4 map into MW2, completely free. They did it for L4D2, I know.

4. Upgradeable hardware, see number 2's response.

Fine. But I don't see how this could be a bad thing.

5. Cheaper games, brand spanking new games are usually £10 cheaper, really old ones are cheap as hell some aren't, depends on the game. Look at PS2/PS1 and XBOX games, some are cheap as hell others aren't depends on the game.

You enjoy paying an extra 10$? Wow, you're a masochist?

6. You're not tied to one online service, see number 2's response.

So you don't care that PSN goes offline and you can't play online every once in a while?

7. No extra dosh needed for playing online, I have a PS3 so this doesn't apply to me. 360 owners have to bite the bullet on this one.

Ok, fine. You only have a PS3, so this one doesn't apply to you.

8. Unlimited storage space (no it doesn't), PS3 can have up to 1TB thats more than enough ... if it's not, delete some stuff!

Yeah.... but still. it's nice having more. Of course, this one kinda more applied to the 360 owners, too.

9. Save game hacking, see number 2's response.

I don't really do this, either, so yeah.

11. Abandonware, see number 2's response.

Ok, you've gamed since the 2600. you've played and enjoyed many old systems. But can you find all those old games you owned to play whenever you want to? I can, for PC games at least. On that site, or a quick search through the web.

And again, you still don't like free things?

12. No red ring of death, but they still break down.

They do.... but not 54.2% of the time.

Thats not me having no counter arguments to those points but think of it like this, I (as a guy) care about those things (I have stated) as much as I care about the new range of feminine products ... I just don't.

No, it's not like the new range of feminine products, at all. It's like you buying a more expensive brand of beer or something, while still knowing that some other, cheaper brand is much better. And refusing to admit that it's better.

 

[omega 616]

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1) I had a pc breakdown before we had the net ... dial up net that is (ah, the memories).

2) link me to a vid of a person spinning 180 aiming, shooting, killing, spinning 180 and carrying on significantly quicker than a stick and I will kind of concede that point but it doesn't matter, think about it.

Everybody is playing with the exact same thing on a console so there is no advantage or disadvantage there.

If a console player was to play against a pc gamer than thats a different thing.

3) I don't care 'cos I don't buy them. I even had Morrowind on pc and never modded it.

4) Think of this like cars, some people mod there cars (pc gamers) some don't (console gamers).

5) I have had online for less than a month, I am used to playing offline. The Internet can also go offline.

6) The only "old" games I like are FFX and manhunt, I have both, that is just me though. I am not saying console gamers can't have a pc "career" so they could still have this.

7) I wouldn't say it's cheaper, it depends on what you get. 250gb PS3 with uncharted 2 - £285, my pc (remember, low - mid performance) £330 then I had to buy a monitor (£90), mouse (£32), speakers (£50), keyboard (£10) and a game.

 

[Withard]

7) I wouldn't say it's cheaper, it depends on what you get. 250gb PS3 with uncharted 2 - £285, my pc (remember, low - mid performance) £330 then I had to buy a monitor (£90), mouse (£32), speakers (£50), keyboard (£10) and a game.

I use a mouse and keyboard set for $8 and chances are ill be headshotting more people than a $40 controller.

Monitor? Like a TV you buy it if you need it. Then again you can plug the PC up to the TV as well. Mate has his up to a 37" one. Also if thats the case then the speakers are not needed for certain TV's or Monitors.

The ORIGINAL point is that If you intend to play 2-3 games then a console is fine. If you intend to play ALOT of games like many people do you WILL be spending alot of money and it will cost more than a PC in the long run.


Using comebacks like "Console + Game = 200 LOL CHEAPER!" does not an argument make.

In fact the argument on price was already made a page back with a price comparison.