People you believe should be looked upon more favorably by history.

[Drunken Cutman]

John Keegan has a brilliant theory that if Hitler had invaded the middle east with the intention of seizing control over most of the world's oil supply he could have crippled the Americans, British and (to a lesser extent) the Russians with ease. This is a scary idea which he believes would have resulted in the nuclear bombing of Germany.

If you haven't heard of John Keegan and are interested in Nazi/WWII history then look him up because he is fantastic.

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I think Saladin should be seen for the man he really was. An expert tactician, man of the Arts, and quite the Dignified man in warfare. But the history books i grew up with always made him seem like the big bad guy in the crusades. The evil devil worshipper who needs to have his way corrected. Now i know in the middle east he's revered but i think he should be world wide.

Is Saladin really hated any more outside the Middle East? I don't actually know, the first time I encountered the name was in [b/]Age of Empires 2[/b] (where he's the protagonist).

That was the exact same thing I thought, and then I thought of Genghis Khan who was a badass in that game.
I think we all put a little bit too much hate on The South (in general) in the civil war, sure they were the more racist of the two but the North wasn't exactly full of racial understanding either. Especially since the Civil War wasn't all that much to do with slavery.

 

[Tom Phoenix]

Oh and Neville Chamberlain gets a very rough deal in most British people's perception of history.

That was my choice as well. He was by no means pefect, but his social politics were a significant contribution to Britain at the time. Plus, he had the courage to step down as Prime Minister when he realised he was not the right man for the job. Not a lot of people would have been willing to give up such power, especially considering he never received an actual motion of no confidence.

 

[hannarr]

The way American History is taught, I think the British deff need to be given a little less flack.

 

[MasterSqueak]

Nikola Tesla, the man was a f****ing genius!

Fallout 3: Nikola Tesla And You! book.

 

[Anarchy In Detroit]

I'm sorry but you people glorifying Hitler have your heads in your asses. I don't think any of you really know what you're talking about. Hitler lost the war. It was not his generals. In fact the plans his generals made usually turn out in hindsight to be plans that probably would have worked very well. Second, he wasn't a charismatic person as much as he told the Germans what they wanted to hear. I'm not saying he was a bad speaker by any means mind you but he didn't charm the Germans with his magical mustache or something (in fact elaborate ceremony and parade stuff did that). He told the Germans that he would repay France for impoverishing Germany after World War 1. He would restore Germany's honor. He would unify all Germans once and for all. He would killl the Jews who had been weakening Germany. He would crush the Slavs and take their lands as Germany's. Germans weren't evil, in fact they were better than everyone else! etc etc etc. To a highly militaristic and proud people this is exactly what they wanted to hear at the time.

Also to anyone saying "they left out all the bad stuff the Allies did in WW2" you're a fool. Because everything wasn't in a textbook doesn't mean "they" left it out. It means you didn't look it up. It was all there the whole time.

Genghis Khan has a deserved reputation as a ruthless slaughterer but an undeserved reputation as a stinking barbarian retard. As long as you didn't try to step up to him he was actually a very fair ruler. His actions went a long way in furthering contact between Asia and Europe. The things he accomplished in his life against overwhelming adversity in my eyes makes him a greater figure than almost anyone.

I think Julius Caesar has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Somehow he is always glorious when in reality he was a power hungry usurper and a genocidal maniac.

Nikola Tesla is ignored when he shouldn't be.

Poland has an undeserved reputation as being weak because of World War Two. Poland was one of the only European countries to allow religious freedom in the Middle Ages. Poland was one of the largest countries in Europe for a long time. Their cavalry were renowned as some of the best in the world. Poland has been conquered in the past but against massive descrimination at the hands of Germans and Russians they always reclaim their land and preserve their culture. They have in fact potentially saved Europe on a few occasions. Most notably in the Siege of Vienna where they utterly smashed a massive Turkish army that could have broken through Austria into the rest of Europe. They also stopped the Soviets after World War 1 in what is now known as the Miracle on the Vistula. If they had not done either of these Europe would be a vastly different beast than it is now. In world war two Polish flyers who escaped to Britain were some of the best pilots the Allies had. Poles also broke the Enigma code allowing us to read German messages. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was a fantastic feat but due to the Soviets deliberately stalling their advance the Uprising failed and many valiant Poles and Jews died.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

people should be looked upon based on their actions and how they lived.

i believe in respecting the dead, but no one should get more respect than they ever deserved because they died. [and no, not speaking of anyone in particular.]

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

Nikola Tesla is ignored when he shouldn't be.

three cheers for tesla!!

 

[vampirekid.13]

You mean "should be looked upone more favourably by Western History". A lot of people poorly misrepresented by western history have illustrious histories in their own countries and societies, and vice versa.

Some people aren't even in their own country, such as hitler.

That man was bring society to its knees, and he did it all because he was a misunderstood artist.

hitler was a good public speaker.

that still doesnt make him any less of a genocidal madman bent on world domination.

 

[hippykiller]

in order of importance

1)Micheal Collins

2)Bobby Sands

3)William Wallace


they should all be in history textbooks around the world.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I will say it for you Hitler. He has unfortunately in many ways been given the blame for a lot of things he had no control over. Like losing the War when in reality it has turned out his Generals' usually lied to him in order to cover their asses. In fact this has been a common debate in the historical community that if Hitler had purged his High Command like Stalin he could have probably done better in the war. People like von Manstein propagated the myth of Hitler losing the war to deflect the blame from themselves and try to wash their hands of it.

As a history Student I'm afraid I take some exception to what you say here. I think it is quite unfair to say that Hitler's decisions did not lose the war, after all his of his decision to invade Russia was a vary bad one. It is quite commonly accepted that this was the one huge flaw in his military plan and there is a lot of evidence that he went against the recommendations of his Generals in doing so.

I'm not saying Hitler wasn't a good tactician and a smart man but his choice to invade Russia did cause him to eventually lose the war.

Oh and Neville Chamberlain gets a very rough deal in most British people's perception of history.

I don't know where you get your facts but they are wrong. OKW approved of and drew up the plans to invade the USSR not Hitler. These plans were part of a containment policy in regards to them which had been on the books for a while before they were implemented. Hitler after seeing the success in the Lowland Invasion and the failure of the Battle of Britain decided this was the next proper course to securing Germany. OKW agreed. What went wrong is not the invasion itself because that went quite well it was that the invasion was delayed by bailing Italy out of Greece which made them have a far smaller window before winter in the USSR thus leading to their stalemate and latter loss there.

 

[Danzaivar]

guy fawkes
a guy fighting for the right of free speach (nevermind the fact that he was a mercenary)
the idea of people celebrating his death disgusts me

Guy Fawkes wasn't trying for free speech, he was trying to get Britain back under the thumb of the Catholic Church, i.e. he was a wanker.

I'd say Maggie Thatcher, up here in the North-East of England she's really hated. She was pretty cruel but overall she stopped Britain's decline on the World stage and made us a 1st world country again. That has to be worth something!

 

[Soxafloppin]

MJ

 

[Leorex]

If you look through history there are certain people who are looked upon quite unfavorably for any given reason. I just want your opinion on who you think should be given a boost in the goodness department.

I think Saladin should be seen for the man he really was. An expert tactician, man of the Arts, and quite the Dignified man in warfare. But the history books i grew up with always made him seem like the big bad guy in the crusades. The evil devil worshipper who needs to have his way corrected. Now i know in the middle east he's revered but i think he should be world wide.

Bill Clinton. Yeah, he basically fixed everything the Republicans did to our economy. Then Bush came along and fucked it all up again. But his legacy is going to end up being "that guy who got a blow-job from a chubby secretary or something".

hitler, he was only trying to help. ( damn ninja )

and that was no chubby secretary, that was a kgb sex robot.

 

[G1eet]

Richard Nixon, that way he won't be so angry when he becomes president again in a thousand years.

Yes. Futurama ftw.

He is the man.

 

[Deleric]

Richard Nixon, that way he won't be so angry when he becomes president again in a thousand years.

RRRRRROBOT NIXON!!!

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

You mean "should be looked upone more favourably by Western History". A lot of people poorly misrepresented by western history have illustrious histories in their own countries and societies, and vice versa.

Some people aren't even in their own country, such as hitler.

That man was bring society to its knees, and he did it all because he was a misunderstood artist.

hitler was a good public speaker.

that still doesnt make him any less of a genocidal madman bent on world domination.

Never said he wasn't, but american history that is taught in schools is this: Hitler killed all the jews. Nothing else. At all. Just talking about jew killing.

 

[G1eet]

Nikola Tesla is ignored when he shouldn't be.

three cheers for tesla!!

Even if he went crazy in his winter years!
Or did he really build a friggin ray gun?

That is the question.

The way American History is taught, I think the British deff need to be given a little less flack.

I don't know about any of my other fellow Americans, but I'm starting to cut them more slack and caring less about the revolution and that whole business in 1812.

Partially because one of my best friends now lives there and is now a de facto Brit.