Once again, both are very different. Theft and killing are two completely different things. Haha, you are right, I have had much fun debating this with you, but neither of us will convince the other. And it would appear you are fresh out of Logos anyway. Thanks though, it has been fun.this isnt my name said:Oh please, some people have so much money it wouldnt change anything e.g bankers who get millions in bonueses. should some person starve when they can get money and some people would be no worse. And how is taking a life any different to a starving person stealing bread ?Baresark said:That is a completely different case. I am a firm believer in the axiom of non-violence. This philosophy dictates that you do no harm to others unless they have tried to harm you, then you defend yourself as far as you honestly see fit. Then there are other circumstances to consider as well in regards to that, but those are mostly personal, such as whether killing them was necessary and such things, but that is for you conscience to decide. Theft is always theft though. You must take something that belongs to another, that is always morally reprehensible. Theft is an absolute because it is always taking from others. Others may not eat because you are eating. Self defense is way different, and if you want to put the word of law into it, some places don't even allow you to really defend yourself.this isnt my name said:There are no absolutes. Thats like saying killing is always wrong despite if someone did it in self defence.Baresark said:You missed my point. You cannot condone theft in one case and not condone it in another case. Both cases are morally reprehensible. If I live in the that third world country, and I worked for 17 hours for that loaf of bread, then my neighbor steals it from me. It is morally reprehensible that he did that. Then I cannot feed myself and my family so I can work for 17 more hours for another loaf of bread. I bring up the other stuff only because the vast majority of the time, theft is not for necessities, and the few times it is does not excuse the act.this isnt my name said:And ? Some people do steal what they need. I dont knpw how looter taking TVs and crap proves that wrong. If you steal something you dont need its wrong, simple as. And stealing something you need is only justifiable if you cant get it legally e.g if someone in a 3rd world contry steas food to feed thier family, thats fine. But piritaing a game is never needed, therefore priacy is always wrong. I have no idea where you were going with this discussion when replying because you can never justift Piracy, so it didnt really have a point.Baresark said:Just to keep it going:this isnt my name said:Difference between people commiting crimes to get money for thier family/food/rent and a luxery item. Games are luxery items.Baresark said:Just for fun:this isnt my name said:I love how many of them will say "oh I am poor" or some shit excuse for piracy.
its either that or "hurr those devs didnt do everything i like they dont deserve my money" yet they still make a good enough game to invest time in apparently.
God I hate pirates.
There is actually a lot of statistics that link poverty and crime.
Now you are confusing morals and law. There is no moral basis for laws in general, the moral basis exists separate from the laws that enforce them. It's not excusable to steal, no matter the situation. And the vast majority of the time, people who habitually commit immoral crimes such as theft do not do it because they need to feed or provide for anyone. People do not habitually steal food or any necessary item. Take post Hurricane Katrina and looters as an example. The majority didn't steal items to survive, only luxury items they wanted. The same can be said for violent break out during the Watts Riots way back in the day. Looters stole lots of things, the majority of the time nothing necessary, but only items they wanted.
In the grand scheme of things, you had said that the excuse of not having money is not a reason for piracy. I simply said that there is a link between poverty and crime rates. You then said it was excusable for theft if it was to feed your family. I said it's not really excusable because theft in any situation is immoral.
AND.... SCENE! Haha, I'm just having fun. Don't be insulted.
Are you implying killing can be justified but stealing breadto survive isnt ?
You cant say killing isnt absolute but theft is. Both can be connected to a persons survival, so both can change.
Obviously we have different moral views on absolute rules, so no point in contining the conversation, because you wont convince me and I probablly wont convince you.
In general, I doubt our morals are different at all though, I am sure just decided to take the point we decided to take. In reality, we might very well see each others points in the real world.