Playing as a female character usually annoys me.
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AwesomeKahunaburger said:
. I totally agree and I'm glad you brought up the subject of guns, as that immediately made me think of this:You show 'em Indy.
Fixed for you. Considering that Krogans in armor weigh about as much as two large adult grizzlies or four small adult grizzlies [http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Krogan], it's not really possible for a male Shep to do that either. Unless you know any men who go around headbutting stacks of bears.MetalMagpie said:
The only real way it's remotely plausible is that Shep's cybernetic implants give him/her super-strength, and strength implants are equally plausible for male and female characters.
Yes, yes I did, and with good reason. The point is that I am willing to accept unrealistic things if they make the fantasy universe more enjoyable in some way. But being told to suspend my disbelief "just because," is annoying, and artists in any medium should try to avoid it. A story is always more compelling when it is as realistic as possible while still permitting a free imagination. It's the same reason that "deus ex machina" is a bad storytelling technique. A realistic solution is always far more impressive and enjoyable.Treblaine said:
Thank you for understanding. You understood the point better than I was able to word it.MetalMagpie said:
It's gonna be hilarious if he provides pics and he's rocking a Leonidas physique or something.Shiny Koi said:
They've got you there though OP, that was quite the claim; almost certainly untrue (unless you're some kind of special forces super secret agent), and doesn't really help you even if it is.
Your right Hormones do make a person, they make a person make my dinner (or something along the lines of the way this thread is going)Shiny Koi said:
Infact this sounds like a really good idea for a game. Ok so it's like Trine in the way that you need to have different tasks done by different classes, the two classes are Man and (wo)Man. So the (wo)Man character works best with agility based and intelligence based puzzles and the Man character is good at Strength, endurance, charisma, speed, reflex, agility, intelligence.
Shepard punching out an alien which weighs as much as 2-4 bears: realistic, apparently. As long as Shepard has a Y chromosome in there somewhere. Lol wut?The_Vigilant said:
Only with the money that i worked hard doing because women can only stay home and shop with the money thats given to them. :O thats a fantastic idea for the game, that only men can earn coins, and you need to trade with the woman so that she spends it. WERE MAKING PROGRESS!Shiny Koi said:
lol you're an idiot if you cant see that you're contradicting yourself.The_Vigilant said:
you say "You and I both know there's no way a female is going to be humanity's first SPECTRE when women can't even make the Navy SEALs, and every time FemShep knocks a Krogan down with the butt of her Assault Rife it breaks immersion. So why do you do it?"
but then you change your face and say that you're trying to make a different point entirely.
you're a sexist a-hole and need to take a beating from woman, perhaps your mother?
I feel I have to say this after reading a boatload of arguements back and forth here about genders and sexism and the like. I will discard both of these, hopefully.
The countless options and customizations put into a game is not generally used to play 'both/all' sides of the customization. They are put there in order for the player to relate to the character on some level, this includes gender, scars, funny hats, etc.
But customizations aside we are sometimes "saddled" with a specific character type/gender/funny hats/etc.
The major point that I feel is being missed is this: No matter what your character is, they are the main focus of the story (most of the time) and when you keep comparing the 'average man/woman' or the 'strongest man/woman' you miss the point that "This is how the story is told" according to the game/writers/etc. (even if its a multiple ending story like Mass Effect)
If anything dialogue-wise or action-wise is failing you or bursting your bubble, it is but a reflection of things you as a person cannot accept in reality/unreality.
I would have liked to make an example of Kratos, but as I sat here looking it over there I failed to find the words that would cause understanding, other than him being no different from any other random War veteran before he got his powers. (what made him special, eh?)
Edit: looking this over more and more I believe this ought to be moved to off-topic because it seems everyone is more interested in the gender-war than this guys apparent 'discomfort' with female characters in games.
The countless options and customizations put into a game is not generally used to play 'both/all' sides of the customization. They are put there in order for the player to relate to the character on some level, this includes gender, scars, funny hats, etc.
But customizations aside we are sometimes "saddled" with a specific character type/gender/funny hats/etc.
The major point that I feel is being missed is this: No matter what your character is, they are the main focus of the story (most of the time) and when you keep comparing the 'average man/woman' or the 'strongest man/woman' you miss the point that "This is how the story is told" according to the game/writers/etc. (even if its a multiple ending story like Mass Effect)
If anything dialogue-wise or action-wise is failing you or bursting your bubble, it is but a reflection of things you as a person cannot accept in reality/unreality.
I would have liked to make an example of Kratos, but as I sat here looking it over there I failed to find the words that would cause understanding, other than him being no different from any other random War veteran before he got his powers. (what made him special, eh?)
Edit: looking this over more and more I believe this ought to be moved to off-topic because it seems everyone is more interested in the gender-war than this guys apparent 'discomfort' with female characters in games.
You're stronger than all of them? Really? Unless you're a martial arts champion or body builder I dare say there's a few women who can beat you up or win a tug of war with you. Plus there are things, even physical things, that women on average are better at. By my knowledge, very long term endurance and pain thresholds for starters. Given the prevelance of high tech armors in Mass Effect, I'm willing to believe a scenario where an excelling woman can be more suited than an excelling man once equiped with gear that makes several differences irrelevant.
I honestly can't say I ever said to myself during gaming "Well, I believe this man can jump in full plate, keep walking for hours and swing his sword several times per second, or one-hit kill an armored alien with a punch of his rifle butt, but if that was done by a woman with 35% less muscle mass it would be totally unbelievable." As for Devona and her hammer, I don't find it any less believable than a man with that hammer being an equal match for a man or woman that can shoot fireballs and lightning bolts, or could even scratch the enormous Crystal Dragon before being ripped appart by Glint's huge talons, yet game balance ensures that he is. I'm sorry, but it does sound sexist when the female thing is the only part where your immersion breaks down.
I honestly can't say I ever said to myself during gaming "Well, I believe this man can jump in full plate, keep walking for hours and swing his sword several times per second, or one-hit kill an armored alien with a punch of his rifle butt, but if that was done by a woman with 35% less muscle mass it would be totally unbelievable." As for Devona and her hammer, I don't find it any less believable than a man with that hammer being an equal match for a man or woman that can shoot fireballs and lightning bolts, or could even scratch the enormous Crystal Dragon before being ripped appart by Glint's huge talons, yet game balance ensures that he is. I'm sorry, but it does sound sexist when the female thing is the only part where your immersion breaks down.
But Wrex's species is a 7-foot 400lbs alien with a head like a shark. No human could headbutt that thing without the butt seeming weak.MetalMagpie said:
I think "Jane" Shepard handles it as well as "Jack" Shepard. Both realistically poorly.
See with BOTH genders it is supposed to appear feeble and ineffectual because Shepard is a measly human trying to head-butt the equivalent of a bipedal elephant. What this does show is fortitude of spirit in application of alien customs.
The bias here is when the man attacks weakly the assumption is: "well he bit off more than he can chew, at least he tried"
But if a woman shows weakness in attack: "grrr, women can't do anything! She should never have even tried"
Urrrrrgg...
Funny thing is, I can actually see where you're coming from. Yes, it can seem a bit jarring when a slender female protagonist does something that her physical stature wouldn't really allow for. And yes, this does sometimes occur in the case of female Shepard. For example, in one mission in ME2 she can intimidate a guy twice her weight and then go on to stare down a Krogan in a bar. Yeah, fair enough, it's a bit jarring.
However, you really could have worded your post a lot better. Because you came off as being... um, how do I put this... a bit unpleasant. Yeah, let's go with that.
Besides, I really don't see what you have to worry about. The vast, vaaaaaast majority of game protagonists are male. We're talking something like 8 to 1 here. Which is why I often roll up a female protagonist when given the chance, a wee bit of variety is nice. (And in the case of Shepard specifically, there's the voice acting. But that's another issue for another day.)
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Also, while I'm on the subject, do you really think male Shepard could beat down a Krogon with his rifle butt? Really? You're willing to accept a physically ridiculous scenario so long as it's being performed by a male body?
Funny thing is, I can actually see where you're coming from. Yes, it can seem a bit jarring when a slender female protagonist does something that her physical stature wouldn't really allow for. And yes, this does sometimes occur in the case of female Shepard. For example, in one mission in ME2 she can intimidate a guy twice her weight and then go on to stare down a Krogan in a bar. Yeah, fair enough, it's a bit jarring.
However, you really could have worded your post a lot better. Because you came off as being... um, how do I put this... a bit unpleasant. Yeah, let's go with that.
Besides, I really don't see what you have to worry about. The vast, vaaaaaast majority of game protagonists are male. We're talking something like 8 to 1 here. Which is why I often roll up a female protagonist when given the chance, a wee bit of variety is nice. (And in the case of Shepard specifically, there's the voice acting. But that's another issue for another day.)
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Also, while I'm on the subject, do you really think male Shepard could beat down a Krogon with his rifle butt? Really? You're willing to accept a physically ridiculous scenario so long as it's being performed by a male body?
That pretty much sums up my opinion. One aspect of person does not define a person. Saying you don't enjoy playing as a female in games is one thing; it is another matter to say that the notion of female character being just as capable with the same specs is absurd is obnoxious to say the least.Torrasque said:
