This is in no relevance to plot holes number one and two but when they actually destroy the hometree, the support columns on one side are broken but the tree falls in the opposite direction... the side that is still supported... pretty much one of the only flaws in the movie. And if you actually stare at the lens of the 3d glasses you can see your eyes... I was not bored enough to figure this out but my absent-minded friend did. Upon this discovery she decided on sharing it with me in one of the most important parts of the movie....
Plot holes in "Avatar"
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How the hell are these plot holes? These are just things you didn't notice.
No, It's FernGully.Booze Zombie said:
In my studies in neuroscience I've learned that the brainstem (basically the top of the spinal cord) controls all the autonomic nervous system, which is to say things like breathing and, you know, not dying. I imagine that the avatar bodies merely function at brainstem level unless a human pilot is patched in somehow (the movie isn't exactly clear on how that happens, but I'm not going to question the science since the resource everyone's after is called 'unobtainium'). One could remove the entire neocortex from a human and the body would continue to breathe and show reflex actions, but there would be no activity that most of us would consider conscious. In fact, you could entirely remove a person's head, prop the body upright on a treadmill, and the motion of the treadmill would trigger a walking reflex in the legs. The communication for walking, once a person has learned how, is basically a muscle to spinal cord loop. If you want to do something fancy, like dancing or gymnastics then other parts of the brain get involved.zeldakong64 said:
Can't you just enjoy the movie? The first one's not a plot hole and the second one is because that guy punched a hole in the glass. I'm not sure where that guy went, but it doesn't matter. It was still a good movie.
I've got a plot hole that you didn't point out-
The movie is about 10 foot tall blue cat people inhabiting some sort of brain-tree planet with flying mountains.
Sarcasm aside, those are good points that I had not noticed. You get an observational skills cookie!
The movie is about 10 foot tall blue cat people inhabiting some sort of brain-tree planet with flying mountains.
Sarcasm aside, those are good points that I had not noticed. You get an observational skills cookie!
Ugggh.Skarvig said:
Thanks for reminding me.
The healthcare bill is to the point where they cut out the public option to appease the conservatives.
Not only will we not get the best thing (single payer), the Democrats made a COMPROMISE ON A COMPROMISE. It's not likely to pass now, and even if it does it's a mandate without a public option. I.E. Just giving greedy insurance companies monetary handouts. Arghhhhhh.
I'm sorry if humans never had the ability to control fucking nature like the Na'vi can.Skarvig said:
Simriel said:
I get the movie. Considering how obvious every single message in the movie is it would be impossible not to get it. It's just that I think the message was delivered in a poor way. I suppose I am making the movie sound worse than it is. But still, the plot to this movie could have been much, much better.
And I'm not trying to be a stubborn dick. I just think it's unfair that this movie compares us to the Na'vi, a species that seems to be flawless in almost every single way.
Honestly, it is a testament to the degeneration of human morality that people think that the protagonist in Avatar is anything less than a hero (though I agree he was rather thick and grunt-like until right at the end).
Apparently, these people think that it's alright to kill, maim and damage something that is sacred to other sentient being's cultures, in the name of getting some material goods. In fact, this makes them look all too similar to the humans who appeared in the movie, most of which were perfectly obvious villains out there for greed and for greed alone (and if they weren't malicious, they were ignorant and followed malicious orders, which has the same result).
It's not a betrayal to beat down the mercenary humans in the way it happened in this movie. It's not like the native forces killed innocent humans; just the combatants who were blowing their friends up. Meanwhile, think of what the humans did: they crushed those communicative plants used to listen to ancestors, they blew up the sacred tree, they burned much of the land in the fighting, and killed much of the animals the Na'vi used to hunt. Whatever the Na'vi did, simply does not compare to that. Put simply, like any harmful juggernaut, the human advance in this particular story had to be halted.
The whole point of the movie is that the "unobtainium" is just a valuable resource that can be sold for good money, and is not necessarily useful for anything. The weedy capitalist behind the whole operation is the connection we get to that fact, and to the dingy corporate world where profit is considered the only thing that matters.
Remember his key line about the GDP versus native life? That's a disgusting approach to life that he has, and it completely justifies fighting back, especially since it's not like they're compensating the natives - on their own land, what's more - for the material.
Bottom line: you can't go on to someone else's planet or land or any kind of property and destroy it just to "get it out of the way", and take any material that happens to have been found there. That doesn't pass for okay when we do that to other humans on Earth, and it shouldn't pass for okay with other intelligent beings either.
And many of those beliefs, at least concerning the invaders, and the peaceful approach taken towards them at first, could be considered naive, and naivety is one of the most damaging flaws one can identify in a culture.
Apparently, these people think that it's alright to kill, maim and damage something that is sacred to other sentient being's cultures, in the name of getting some material goods. In fact, this makes them look all too similar to the humans who appeared in the movie, most of which were perfectly obvious villains out there for greed and for greed alone (and if they weren't malicious, they were ignorant and followed malicious orders, which has the same result).
It's not a betrayal to beat down the mercenary humans in the way it happened in this movie. It's not like the native forces killed innocent humans; just the combatants who were blowing their friends up. Meanwhile, think of what the humans did: they crushed those communicative plants used to listen to ancestors, they blew up the sacred tree, they burned much of the land in the fighting, and killed much of the animals the Na'vi used to hunt. Whatever the Na'vi did, simply does not compare to that. Put simply, like any harmful juggernaut, the human advance in this particular story had to be halted.
The whole point of the movie is that the "unobtainium" is just a valuable resource that can be sold for good money, and is not necessarily useful for anything. The weedy capitalist behind the whole operation is the connection we get to that fact, and to the dingy corporate world where profit is considered the only thing that matters.
Remember his key line about the GDP versus native life? That's a disgusting approach to life that he has, and it completely justifies fighting back, especially since it's not like they're compensating the natives - on their own land, what's more - for the material.
Bottom line: you can't go on to someone else's planet or land or any kind of property and destroy it just to "get it out of the way", and take any material that happens to have been found there. That doesn't pass for okay when we do that to other humans on Earth, and it shouldn't pass for okay with other intelligent beings either.
Umm, I find that strange, because the Na'vi're not flawless. They're based on the American Indians in many ways. The more you read into it, the more allegorical it gets. The culture, the hair, the dialogue they get, the customs, even the beliefs about the "Sky People"... they all bear similarities to the native reaction to settlers in America.Internet Kraken said:
And many of those beliefs, at least concerning the invaders, and the peaceful approach taken towards them at first, could be considered naive, and naivety is one of the most damaging flaws one can identify in a culture.
Well the first one I think we have established isn't a plot hole as much as just a little bit of discontinued information.
As for the second well first the other guy had left ages ago but more then that, it was much more poetic that the female love interest saves the main hero because then they share a moment of understanding of each other and she finally sees him in his human form. I found that very sweet.
What? I'm a romantic... sue me.
As for the second well first the other guy had left ages ago but more then that, it was much more poetic that the female love interest saves the main hero because then they share a moment of understanding of each other and she finally sees him in his human form. I found that very sweet.
What? I'm a romantic... sue me.
But, they don't have rights, not by the understanding of the Na'vi.Demented Teddy said:
Anyway, these aren't holes, just not really fleshed out sub-plots.
No its not Fern Gully. Fern Gully was crap and Avatar is watchable enough that I went back and saw it a second time. The only thing the two films share is their underlying message.GoldenCondor said:
Avatar isn't really Dances With Wolves either. Its actually closer to Frank Huberts Dune saga.
Which brings up a strange point: Why are people bashing this film for being derivative? Seriously, its tough to find any truly original film, musical track or computer game these days.
Avatar is based on several very good films and one of the best Sci-Fi books ever written. Its directed by the man responsible for some of the best action films ever made and rendered in the most beautiful CGI ever commited to film.
To me this sounds more like an endorsement than a complaint.
Anyway, plot holes... Ummm can't think of any major ones. I don't see how those little spinning lizards ever evolved though. Their flight pattern makes them easier for predators to spot and kill and its established early on that Pandora is FULL of predators.
Also the 'Dragon' bomber would never fly but thats more of a technical irregularity and the film is jam packed with those.
I'm guessing the air wasn't really toxic to humans, they simply said it was so because they couldn't breath it.Canid117 said:
This begs the question has to why a government would ever want to step in and stop the corporation. It's pretty obvious that unobtanium is needed back on Earth for the global monorail system, now why wouldn't the government want that?Canid117 said:
The "citizens" of Earth would probably never rebel to actually stop an invasion force. They don't understand the natives and the corporation can simply say they were murderous beasts that don't deserve to live. Either way, that invasion force is no stopping.
Ditto.Canid117 said:
This is different. Unobtanium is needed for the monorail system. It's use goes beyond the "bling" aspect.Canid117 said:
That's the thing, actually. The press has no idea how the Na'vi look like, what are their ways and how they're not murderous savages, the way the corporation will probably present them.
Wouldn't they look menacing to a predator? You saw how they only started flying if they were touched and how they immediately emanated bright colors. It's a deception game.bathlarper said: