Plot Holes [Possible Spoilers!]

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Cherry Cola

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Arcticflame said:
HUBILUB said:
But he was exposed to it. He held it.
What about gollum (Smeagol)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that he strangled the guy when he hadn't even't touched it yet.
He saw it. So he was exposed to it.
 

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GrandAm said:
Mrsnugglesworth said:
canadamus_prime said:
Mrsnugglesworth said:
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TheGreatCoolEnergy said:
Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away
Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.
To bad those two Jedi are the reason the Empire fell.


So I'd say it wasn't.
No, the Rebel Alliance as a group is the reason the Empire Fell.
The Rebel Alliance would have failed without Luke Skywalker. If Luke hadn't found Han Solo, he wouldn't have helped the Alliance. Darth Vader and the Emperor would have lived, the Death Star wouldn't have been blown up. So they brought Luke Skywalker up.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS THOSE 2.
As much as I like those lightside Force folks, I have to agree it was the Rebel Alliance that stopped the Empire.

Without the rebels Luke would not have the support to be as effective as he was.

Yoda was the super bomb master. Obi was the next best even when the Jedi had numbers. They spent 20 years hiding and waiting.

Sure in combat a Jedi (luke/Vader) was necessary to kill Palpatine. But Palpatine (as any leader, even in our RL world) can not hold power without power perceived by the masses. Generally by the movies, pretty much every body hated him. He did not even have full control (Hutts).

His whole power revolved around intimidation. His army was made by the same societies that didn't like him. A coup was inevitible. Using the Deathstar on every system that opposed him would eventually would leave him powerless. If he used it to destroy all those opposing him there would have been nobody left to rule over. Plus that action would create decsent in his ranks. How man Stormtroopers might have come from Alderan. Or the next system he would use it on.

Think about the collapse of the Roman Empire. They expanded by conscripting those they conquered. Eventually they were so dilluted from the original force that they broke off into their own forces (warlords) and Rome lost control.

Of course Ceaser didn't have knowledge of the Force. So maybe I am wrong.
Now this is true, but the Death Star was the intimidation model of the century. It could blow up planets in the blink of an eye! No one would stand against it. Also, the empire had enough money to not only build the Death Star, but to rebuild right after it got destroyed!
 

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HUBILUB said:
Arcticflame said:
What about gollum (Smeagol)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that he strangled the guy when he hadn't even't touched it yet.
He saw it. So he was exposed to it.
I'm pretty sure Smeagol wasn't a nice guy to begin with though, right?
 

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SonicKoala said:
I never understood why in District 9 the aliens were such wimps and never fought back against their human oppressors, despite the fact they had a gi-normous ship (which undoubtedly would be filled with totally awesome alien technology), far better weapons (despite looking like fancy Nerf guns), and they were extremely strong and agile - and there was apparently A QUARTER OF A MILLION OF THEM.
There is an answer to that, but unfortunately it just opens another holes

It is implied throughout the movie that just about every living prawn on earth was a "worker" or "drone", while the more intelligent aliens seemed to have died prior to the arrival on earth (with the exception of at least Christopher). For one thing, they may be just too "dumb" to use their weapons (although that is not likely, since you see prawns using human weapons and even one commanding one of the mechs).
More likely all the aliens are used to have a strict, insect-like chain of command, and as thier "leaders" died, they were very confused and frightened and pretty much unable to do a bit of thinking of their own, so they are easily ordered around by the seemingly helpful humans...

But i'd like to add a bit of my own theory
First off, as said, the Humans USED to be helpful and nice to the aliens at first. And since the aliens have no idea about anything regarding earth, they just know what the humans allowed them to see. And the aliens were probably too grateful and naive to start to think about how they can make themselves autonomous. So as the humans became more abusive, the aliens were pretty much completely dependent on their new Human Overlords (*g*)
And second, so yes, there are a quarter million aliens with awesome, powerful weapons. That still does not make them invincible. They don't have impenetrable shields or something, so the first thing the humans probably do when the aliens start to turn against them is to blow them away with a few bombers. Since the humans outnumber the aliens by far, and since the aliens are stored conveniently at one place, a "prawn resistance" would hardly survive for a month
 

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ok here is a plot CRATER: the fact that Skynet exist in Terminator 3 since ALL research prototypes and even the procesor from the first terminator got destroied
 

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yersimapestis said:
halo wars:
WHY THE FUCK WAS THE FLOOD THERE?!
I think that was because the planet is called a "shield world" it was supposed to allow the forerunner to survive the halos, but the flood got there before the halos were used and infected the planet, and when the covenant went in for the forerunner ships and the humans followed them, the flood managed to escape.
 

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Puzzles said:
HUBILUB said:
Arcticflame said:
What about gollum (Smeagol)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that he strangled the guy when he hadn't even't touched it yet.
He saw it. So he was exposed to it.
I'm pretty sure Smeagol wasn't a nice guy to begin with though, right?
I don't know, he was pretty nice when he wasn't corrupted by the ring.
 

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GrandAm said:
Mrsnugglesworth said:
canadamus_prime said:
Mrsnugglesworth said:
canadamus_prime said:
TheGreatCoolEnergy said:
Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away
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I have to disagree with a lot of what you said dude.

"As much as I like those lightside Force folks, I have to agree it was the Rebel Alliance that stopped the Empire. Without the rebels Luke would not have the support to be as effective as he was."

No one said the alliance wasn't necessary but it was Luke who made the difference. No one else could avoid Vader's fire for so long, no one else could hit the target, and furthermore without Luke Han would not have been there at all to save the day.

"Yoda was the super bomb master. Obi was the next best even when the Jedi had numbers. They spent 20 years hiding and waiting."

This is entirely untrue. Obi-wan was a low ranking member of the council and ranked about 5th in lightsaber skills. He is in NO way the second best master.

"Sure in combat a Jedi (luke/Vader) was necessary to kill Palpatine. But Palpatine (as any leader, even in our RL world) can not hold power without power perceived by the masses. Generally by the movies, pretty much every body hated him. He did not even have full control (Hutts)."

This is the equivalent of not controlling fricken mexico while controlling the rest of the world. Who gives a shit?

"His whole power revolved around intimidation. His army was made by the same societies that didn't like him. A coup was inevitible. Using the Deathstar on every system that opposed him would eventually would leave him powerless. If he used it to destroy all those opposing him there would have been nobody left to rule over. Plus that action would create decsent in his ranks. How man Stormtroopers might have come from Alderan. Or the next system he would use it on."

Again, that wasn't the point of the Death Star. The death star was a part of the "Tarkin Doctrine" which states that you blow up one planet, you won't have to blow up another. Additionally I think you are overestimating the hate. Most humans throughout the galaxy loved the guy as he catered to their needs. There were a few planets like Alderaan who hated him on principle but that's really about it. There were very few non-humans in the Imperial Army and MOST of the rebel alliance consisted of Aliens.
 

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I have two words that will help any of you understand glaring plot holes:

Bad Writing.

A good writer thinks out such things as character motivations, plot twists, complications, etc, etc. A bad one... well, that's where you get Twilight and the Star Wars prequels. Bad writing is something everyone can spot, even if they have haven't gotten some otherwise useless literature degree. You know it when you see it, because something will just strike you as WHA-HuuuUUUH?

So there you go.
 

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Mrsnugglesworth said:
Now this is true, but the Death Star was the intimidation model of the century. It could blow up planets in the blink of an eye! No one would stand against it. Also, the empire had enough money to not only build the Death Star, but to rebuild right after it got destroyed![/quote]

and the eye of Palatine, 2 suncrushers, seed the outer Rim with the those loyal to the "Hand of Thrawn." and how many SSD's? like 8? Executor was the flag ship but was in no way the only SSD.
 

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Assassins Creed II -

The end were Mithra talks to Desmond, so the animus isnt a first person perspective to Desmond? Or when you fight Pope Alexander II why does he not use his staff on you again after you enter the vault after sparing his life? Or all the weapons you dropped on the floor before you fought?
 

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OK... what do you mean, possible spoilers? You have the ending of MW2 written in your post...
 

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Here's a plot holes for you (paraphrased for space)

Return of the Jedi:

Luke: Do you remember your mother?
Leia: Yeah. She died when I was very young.

Damn that woman had a great memory, considering the end of Revenge of the Sith and how freakin young she was.

Also making a case for sloppy (read: bad) writing causing plot holes, I present the recent Doctor Who special (again paraphrased)

Dr: Hey, I'm gonna change the course of history when I know I shouldn't, regardless of the fact it could change the course of history forever and cause multiple universe imploding paradoxes.

Should be dead lady: Hey, didn't Rose try and do this in Season 1 and the whole world got eaten by paradox monsters? And why are you completely out of character? *dies anyway*

How annoying.
 

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IronDuke said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Damn eagles too busy off cleaning their feathers for most of the story.
Tolkien answered this question in a letter after the story was published. He said that other than the obvious dramatic issues, he didn't want majestic eagles to be relegated to a "Middle Earth taxi service."
Also, even though orcs aren't the smartest soldiers ever, they would notice a huge 20 ft eagle and shoot at them. The whole plan was based on secrecy and deception, something eagles lack. It is also implied that they can be corrupted. It may be difficult for the Ring to have an effect, but it is possible.
What is worse: A corrupted Hobbit, or a massive flying, razor clawed death machine?
 

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I don't like to brag, but do I have a good one.

In The Terminator Kyle says that the time displacement device would ony allow living matter to go back in time. The T-101 is a machine surrouded by living tissue so it's able to enter. But the T-1000 from T2 is pure metal so what the hell went wrong there.
 

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Revelo said:
How do sterile Vampires get thier Human girlfriends preggers?

I've not read the books, but heard enough about about this paticular plothole to want an explanation.

The way I understood it, he was still fertile, it just the females become sterile. Their bodies can't change in the way a pregnancy would require. The males, however, could still feasibly produce viable sperm. They have to replenish venom and process nourishment, so some biological activity still must be going on. Since this is a fantasy style novel, there is no reason to assume it is impossible.
 

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Ok, Half Life one and two and the episodes.

WTF is up with the ending? You kill the dude and then you are teleported to a subway car and are forced to walk into a portal? Is when you walk off that car when the second game starts?

What is the deal with the g-man at the end of the game also? He just appears and says that he will call you when you are needed next.

Ok at the beginning of Ep1 you are saved by Vorts, but at the end of HL 2 you are taken away by the G-man...what? Also, Ep 2 right before Eli dies he talks about how proud he is and there is alot of stuff they need to talk about and how Alyx could not know.

Maybe this will all get cleared up in Ep3 but damn, this is confusing and its bugging me because I really want to know!
 

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Ok, Half Life one and two and the episodes.

WTF is up with the ending? You kill the dude and then you are teleported to a subway car and are forced to walk into a portal? Is when you walk off that car when the second game starts?

What is the deal with the g-man at the end of the game also? He just appears and says that he will call you when you are needed next.

Ok at the beginning of Ep1 you are saved by Vorts, but at the end of HL 2 you are taken away by the G-man...what? Also, Ep 2 right before Eli dies he talks about how proud he is and there is alot of stuff they need to talk about and how Alyx could not know.

Maybe this will all get cleared up in Ep3 but damn, this is confusing and its bugging me because I really want to know!
Not so much plot holes as Valve cockslapping us and making us ask for more.
 

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SonicKoala said:
I never understood why in District 9 the aliens were such wimps and never fought back against their human oppressors, despite the fact they had a gi-normous ship (which undoubtedly would be filled with totally awesome alien technology), far better weapons (despite looking like fancy Nerf guns), and they were extremely strong and agile - and there was apparently A QUARTER OF A MILLION OF THEM.
I think its because they were meant to be a population consisting entirely of "idiots" or at the very least, completely uneducated "slightly feral" creatures.

It would've made more sense to explain why TWO of them were smart, as opposed to the food obsessed rest.