Pokemon X and Y

[lazy villian]

The water starter is a frog with glasses.

Game Freak, you magnificent bastards, you.

But really, I hope they step up their game with the designs. I thought Gen IV was ok, but Gen V was trash. I remember an article here not too long ago that discussed the roots of Pokemon like Espeon and Drowzee, which are mythological in origin. Because Game Freak, as much as I love you, you have pretty much run out of animals to base your critters on, and resorted to sub species and inanimate objects. I know y'alls can do it!

That said, I do like the look of the fire starter.

geodude is a rock, a rock is the most inanimate of, objects onix is a bunch of rocks
pikachu is a yellow mouse

id say they have gotten waaay better at making pokemon

or can you explain this

explain how warturtle evovles into that

 

[lazy villian]

I got nothing.

At least they're finally moving to 3D. If I ever get a 3DS, this would probably be ones of the games that I get. But -
[ul][li]Dat water starter.[/li]
[li]Dat map for areas outside of cities or enclosed spaces like forests/buildings.[/li]
[li]Dat Grass Oshawott.[/li]
[li]Dat name.[/li][/ul]

Pokemon Z would be a silly name. It would make sense with these two, but it would still be silly considering people already make the joke of calling them "pokemanz". Imagine the confusion. (Yes, that is a joke, but I still think Pokemon X and Pokemon Y are pretty unoriginal names, even if they are choosing it because of the three dimensional planes. Now, if they make the 3D actually impact the game in a significant way instead of just being a graphical overhaul, I'll concede my reservations.)

every pokemon changes the game, all of them did
i dont see your point

... I made no comments about the game remaining unchanged, so I guess we have something in common, because I don't see your point either.

I said if they make the switch to 3D have an impact on the game, I would concede my reservations about their naming conventions. As in, if the game being in 3D has a tangible impact on the mechanics of the world, instead of just being there so they can say "Hey, our game is 3D now!", I'll be fine with them naming it after the three dimensional planes.

that's reasonable, but its an rpg, i love them but its essentially "make my numbers beat your numbers" the game. i suppose from a story telling aspect, game feel and aesthetics it will change wonderfully.

but i dont know what you expect, if you wanna whole new rpg play something else i would suggest, pokemon is pokemon

but maybe im wrong maybe they changed the game up, i dunno we dunno

 

[Yellowfish]

Pokemon Z would be a silly name.

Sounds like a zombie game!
It even fits into the standard Pokemon formula - like, say, there's a legendary Pokemon that is rumored to have the power to resurrect the dead, but it is captured by the bad guys who twist its' powers, forcing it to create bloodthirsty zombies anstead of actually resurrecting the dead. And now I must go and weep in the corner because this will never be made.

 

[The White Hunter]

Snippy snipsnip

My thoughts? Neat, I love Cel Shading, looks like there could be character customisation too which I'd also enjoy, and a lot more exploration, possibly some legend of zelda elements to the dungeons and a bit of platforming, which is certainly nice.

The starters look meh too me, I quite like the grass one and I hope it's not as poor as Snivy was. I also really hope they get creative with type combinations, I do not want another Fire-Fighting type gamefreak! Nor do I want Grass-Ground for my starter ): Grass-Rock could be nice though?

Maybe have secondary types for the starters work like they did in Gen 4 as a kind of check to the starter it was weak too... maybe not rock actually for grass grass is defensively poor as it is...

I think Grass/Rock would work OK as a starter, it would be interesting and weak to Bug, Steel, Fighting and Ice. So probably not great metagame-wise but they are certainly some of the lesser used attacks in the main game.

If they do the gen4 thing Grass/Dark Fire/Psycic and water/Fighting would work well, but that kind of defeats the point of the starters being an elemental triangle, it's to teach new players about weaknesses (and why you should level other pokémon too, if your rival can 1shot your starter)

I really like the graphical style too, gave me Colosseum flashbacks.

Grass/Rock would be okay but I'd like it to be feasible competitively, it wouldn't stop me from using it but it would limit the rest of my team choics somewhat, like in White 2 I used an Aggron and it crippled my choice for certain other team slots, basicaly forced Starmie to be my water after I didn't wanna give up my Krookodile.

None the less, I like the looks of the grass thing, hope it evolves into cool things, my favourite starters from 4 and 5 were probably Piplup (which is so cute i got diabetes) and Snivy (because it played differently than being a kinda bulky, average speed, okay attack generic movepool snoozefest that the other two were...e specially Emboar, fuck Emboar, it lived up to neither Kung-Fu Chicken or Infernape).

Grass-fghting would be pretty cool since the only other is Breloom.

Should've used that darn Skarmory but I was already attached to the Lairon I'd spent 4 HOURS HUNTING

that would work well too but I wouldn't want the 4x bug weakness on my starter! The graphics style actually reminds me a lot of Dragon Quest 8 and 9 for some reason, there's definately some Toriyama influence there!

 

[The_Echo]

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

*Ahem* Well, this was a pleasant surprise. I wasn't expecting a new generation so quickly after Black/White 2.

And I'm all for a full new generation. If the new region were filled to the brim with old Pokémon, it wouldn't really feel like a new region, now, would it?

However, Froakie looks like garbage. Here's hoping its evolutions improve in design. (Judging by Oshawott in the previous gen, it's not unlikely.)

 

[Crispee]

I'm kind of mixed. I think the graphics are a massive improvement that could probably have been achieved a while ago, but the designs don't intice me all that much, in fact I've already forgotten their names and what they look like. It doesn't seem like they've actually shifted the game around a whole lot either, still the same similar looking character, the same types and the same duo of legendaries.

I dunno, the graphics are very pretty but I don't want to be drawn in by that alone, massively shift around the plot and gameplay and then we'll talk.

To quote xkcd:
"..throw off your commercial shackles, challenge us. Go out in a blaze of Dadaist glory. There is still time."

achived on what?
the ds?

why would shift aroundd game play like that

along character and story lines i agree with you, and why would pokemon die
it sells nintendo hand helds

i dont see your point exactly?

I suppose not no.

It was just a quotation from a webcomic, I was focusing on the 'commercial shackles' and 'dadaist glory' parts, I meant that Nintendo should stop sticking to the comfortable structure of the Pokemon games and do a massive overhaul of the plot and make it kind of like Pokemon Colosseum where you're a reformed thief, or make you a member of one of the evil organisations or something. Which is another thing that I always hear people wishing would happen.

 

[The White Hunter]

the gameplay hasn't changed its core mechanics since Gen 1...so why shouldn't I go back to playing gold/silver?

I disagree. Generation two fixed the frankly game breaking Psychic type by introducing a type that was immune and a type that resisted it in Dark & Steel respectively.

Generation 4 divided moves into physical and special on a move by move basis rather than the previous system of it being done by type.

Not to mention that new moves and monsters always shake up the metagame in a big way, though I'll concede that classics like Salamanece will likely never lose their uses.

Also, don't fix what ain't broke, that's how you end up in the ditch FF has dug for itself.

 

[Lunar Templar]

YAY!!!

FINALLY !! A game in 2013 worth me getting excited over.

The fire starter is made of 'do want' and i generally approve of the 3D graphics

 

[ZehMadScientist]

SNIP, I choose you!

Eeh, ok, fair point about the Geodude and Onyx and inanimate objects thing. Kind of justified because they, well, were rock types. And to be fair, Onyx is snake. Who happens to be made out of rocks. But most importantly, the majority of the first gen oozed of imagination, something the later generations lacked, especially the fifth. Blastoise is a perfect example, it's a huge turtle with ginormous water jets sticking out of its shoulders. How can you not love that!?

Gen V had a bag of trash with eyes slapped on.

The evolution chain of the starter turtles boils down to a small turtle becoming a big turtle right? In a game where crime syndicates can get disbanded by ten year old kids, I ain't gonna nitpick on the finer details, and truly, neither should you, you'll live a happier life
Who cares how a stupid red carp can turn into a humongous sea dragon, you've got a humongous hyper-beaming sea dragon!

 

[lazy villian]

I'm kind of mixed. I think the graphics are a massive improvement that could probably have been achieved a while ago, but the designs don't intice me all that much, in fact I've already forgotten their names and what they look like. It doesn't seem like they've actually shifted the game around a whole lot either, still the same similar looking character, the same types and the same duo of legendaries.

I dunno, the graphics are very pretty but I don't want to be drawn in by that alone, massively shift around the plot and gameplay and then we'll talk.

To quote xkcd:
"..throw off your commercial shackles, challenge us. Go out in a blaze of Dadaist glory. There is still time."

achived on what?
the ds?

why would shift aroundd game play like that

along character and story lines i agree with you, and why would pokemon die
it sells nintendo hand helds

i dont see your point exactly?

I suppose not no.

It was just a quotation from a webcomic, I was focusing on the 'commercial shackles' and 'dadaist glory' parts, I meant that Nintendo should stop sticking to the comfortable structure of the Pokemon games and do a massive overhaul of the plot and make it kind of like Pokemon Colosseum where you're a reformed thief, or make you a member of one of the evil organisations or something. Which is another thing that I always hear people wishing would happen.

i from that point i understand, they almost did it in black and white, those games were kinda f***ed up
id like to play with that more from the villain side though
id like for you to be able to customize your main character ( because im not a white/japanese guy and i am tired of playing as one ) and they asign different back stories at random, that would be interesting

how ever main character development and assigned main character i would like that one to be on a home console like collesseum

 

[lazy villian]

SNIP, I choose you!

Eeh, ok, fair point about the Geodude and Onyx and inanimate objects thing. Kind of justified because they, well, were rock types. And to be fair, Onyx is snake. Who happens to be made out of rocks. But most importantly, the majority of the first gen oozed of imagination, something the later generations lacked, especially the fifth. Blastoise is a perfect example, it's a huge turtle with ginormous water jets sticking out of its shoulders. How can you not love that!?

Gen V had a bag of trash with eyes slapped on.

The evolution chain of the starter turtles boils down to a small turtle becoming a big turtle right? In a game where crime syndicates can get disbanded by ten year old kids, I ain't gonna nitpick on the finer details, and truly, neither should you, you'll live a happier life
Who cares how a stupid red carp can turn into a humongous sea dragon, you've got a humongous hyper-beaming sea dragon!

mhm blastoise sucks,i didnt espect it not to be a big turtle the question is why does he not look like them so much , that its jarring . but anyways if you wanna go there
ghastly, is a ball of smoke with eyes
and and farfetched is a bird with a leek

ekens an arbok are just big purple snakes

they all have imagination, your nostalgia goggles are blinding you

 

[TheEvilCheese]

Gen V had a bag of trash with eyes slapped on.

Sorry, I partially agree with the sentiment of the post (Ice cream? TRUBBISH?) but it's not a great comparison. Generation one had a muddy puddle with eyes slapped on. It had a pokéball with eyes slapped on. It had a snake whose name is literally snake spelled backwards, which evolves and is still a snake with its name spelled backwards. It had a Seal called Seel etc.

The first gens felt more imaginative partly because they were the first. There was nothing of similar popularity to compare them to.

 

[ZehMadScientist]

SNIP fainted!

SNIP, come back!

I suppose both of you are right, a large part might be nostalgia speaking. They were the first Pokemon after all. IT WAS MY CHILDHOOD MAN!

However, when I first saw the Ice Cream one, Trubbish, Chandelure, Klinklang etc., I couldn't help but feel that the designs have gotten worse. Less inspired, somehow.

 

[Nantucket_v1legacy]

I think when Nintendo has to call their new Pokemon game: X & Y, you just know they've lost their colour chart or something.

I will not be investing in this game because every Pokemon game feels the same to me. I played Pokemon red, blue, yellow, gold, pearl and white and I saw very little difference between them. Granted graphics improved as the games progressed and Pokemon I did not know existed suddenly appeared after the originals.

Side note: I wonder if they could make a new Pokemon rap with all the Pokemon now?
It'd be longer than Don McLean's American Pie!

 

[Mr Dizazta]

OMG! I am super excited for the games. Hopefully there is a challenge mode available from the start of the game as opposed to what White 2 and Black 2 did.

 

[lazy villian]

SNIP fainted!

SNIP, come back!

I suppose both of you are right, a large part might be nostalgia speaking. They were the first Pokemon after all. IT WAS MY CHILDHOOD MAN!

However, when I first saw the Ice Cream one, Trubbish, Chandelure, Klinklang etc., I couldn't help but feel that the designs have gotten worse. Less inspired, somehow.

nostalgia?

like seriously, alot of pokemons designs are just copies of things
thats fine, just dont go around saying one gen is more imaginative than one because you were 10

i have seen catertpe

the real bug that looks like that

art reflcts life

 

[acillies45]

Alright...so if this was 10 years ago, this might have been cool...though at this point in the game, the graphics are too far behind, there's too many poke'mon and quite frankly, the gameplay hasn't changed its core mechanics since Gen 1...so why shouldn't I go back to playing gold/silver?

thats not a point
if thats the case you should stop playing every video game that isnt a sequel ever because they didnt change the core mechanics

also its a hand held console thats actually good (sorry psp)
so of course the graphics wouldn't be onpar, with say a wiiu

your just being pessimistic

these arent points

1st: I don't mind sequels having the same core mechanics. Obviously the second or even third game in the series probably won't change things much. But when you've had 6 - 8 (I don't know how many there are) games after the first, you think something significant could change after awhile (I'll get to what I mean under the next quote).

Graphics: That's fair. I don't care too much about graphics of the hand held, and they are not bad looking back on it. That was a bad point. I think by this point a full console game should've come out by now so I guess I was thinking that.

I'm not being a pessimist either (and technically they are points, how good they are may be shaky but the way I listed them categorizes them as 'points'). Going back to my first thought about there being so many sequels, if I'd have said this around 3 - 4 I would think myself a pessimist as that's not a whole lot to judge on. Honestly, by this point I think I have the right to be critical. They've had plenty of practice, I think they

the gameplay hasn't changed its core mechanics since Gen 1...so why shouldn't I go back to playing gold/silver?

I disagree. Generation two fixed the frankly game breaking Psychic type by introducing a type that was immune and a type that resisted it in Dark & Steel respectively.

Generation 4 divided moves into physical and special on a move by move basis rather than the previous system of it being done by type.

Not to mention that new moves and monsters always shake up the metagame in a big way, though I'll concede that classics like Salamanece will likely never lose their uses.

Also, don't fix what ain't broke, that's how you end up in the ditch FF has dug for itself.

When I say 'core mechanics' I think I may have been unclear. Yes they've changed parts of the system and that's good, but I guess I just have a problem with how it is still turn-based fighting (something I have been disliking for awhile). It really is a personal thing (though I know there are at least some others who agree) but I think they could do more with the franchise in terms of the battling aspect (my main concern although I've come up with other ideas). Poke'mon battles are supposed to be exciting aren't they? To me the turn based just turns repetitive and boring.

As with the 'don't fix what ain't broke' I would agree...but to an extent. I think some of the best games out there are the ones that take leaps to try things that are new and different. Sure you may get a flop, but aren't some of the best titles the ones that experimented with new systems. Ex: Look at Shadow of the Colossus's concept: Bosses that are dungeons and no small enemies to fight through? When I first heard that I was a little skeptical as to how it would play out. Now it is in my top 5 games.

I don't mean to sound pessimistic and I probably am overly upset with them coming out with the new generations (although compared to the old ones, these just look rushed, but hey, that's my opinion again), but I love poke'mon. I have since I was a kid. I think the franchise could do more than it is now if they took their time with it, redid the system a bit, and put it on console. I've had an idea of third person fights where you control the pokemon (and many other aspects I won't go into). I think that could be fun.

Anyways, this all is opinionated and you can disagree. I'm just voicing myself haha.

 

[144_v1legacy]

I'm hopeful, and will likely get it.

Even so, I hope the map is way more expansive than previous generations, and I hope that there is a more involved post-game that will provide a not-so grind-feeling way to level up.

 

[NightmareExpress]

I am impressed to see them finally making a conventional Pokemon game using three dimensional graphics, something people have been dreaming about since the N64 days about what could be. Unfortunately, it seems like it will largely be the same (though it's true that the reveal trailer doesn't show much at all) and I'm going to imagine that the newly added Pokemon won't be the most good looking or imaginative (remember the ice-cream cone in B/W?).

With all that said, I wonder if any future titles will be using the alphabet.
Or perhaps even Greek symbols so that we may formulate things?
Pokemon Pi and Pokemon Sigma, anyone? Maybe Pokemon Alpha and Pokemon Omega?
The possibilities are out there.

Captcha:
ecks why zee

That is freakishly related to the topic.