Police officer kills two police dogs.

[Biek]

The fine sounds about right, seeing how much time and money went into training a police dog in the first place. And he definetly shouldnt be allowed to handle dogs again.

 

[KaiRai]

I can't believe they're doing all this to a UK police officer when we have the problem of 1million immigrants refused asylum on the NHS. Surely there is a better way to spend taxpayer pounds?
It was only a snifferdog, they're 10 a penny and bred for that purpose.

 

[Delicious]

If he was on foot pursuing a suspect I can see how he could have very easily forgotten about the dogs. I've got a cousin who works in Watts (South Central LA) who has told me that is extremely easy to find yourself in situations where you are several blocks from where your car is. Hell, during the recent LA Laker riots someone got a hold of a police car key (note: one key works for every car) and managed to steal his car while he was a few streets away.

Make him train two new ones or don't let him handle dogs anymore. Simple as that.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

It's a dredful mistake to make, but 6 months in prison is a bit much. I doubt this guy did it on purpose. He either forgot or has never had a dog and doesn't know any better.

It's still a stupid thing to do and yes, he should be sacked. But it's obviously incompitence, not evil.

 

[Olfinbedwere]

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[Mediteral]

Christ! whats wrong with you people? They were dogs! They weren't even pet dogs. They werent near and dear to anyone. They were tools, used to find drugs and bombs, maybe even attack people, and yet you all say he is the worst kind of man, even going so far as to say he should die. I'll never understand why anti-speceism is so popular. Hes no murderer. Did anyone here consider maybe he did it on accident? Maybe he forgot to open the windows a bit. Maybe he went to get a cup of coffee, got to chatting, and lost track of time. There are a whole host of possibilities, but no-one here considers them.
I think that a suspension is probably right, after all he has cost the police a few hundered dollars and man hours in killing the dogs. He most certainly does not deserve a prison sentence, but a small fine may be in order.

Dogs have mothers too. They weren't a pair of pliers, they were living breathing creatures. If nobody cared about you would it be ok if you were killed? Those beings would've lovingly laid down their lives to protect that man and he left them in a car to die.

...they're dogs of the police force

 

[Erana]

You know, considering the capabilities and lonjevity of humans versus dogs, I can understand the rational thought behind people valuing the lives of humans over dogs. But how is their suffering any less painful? Dying of heat stroke is a terrible fate, and just because they aren't human doesn't mean that the pain they would have felt was any less than what a human would have felt...
The point made earlier about their expense is also a reason this should effect his job.

Their expense would be, feasibly, be covered by his fine and paid back by community service. Shoving him in Prison does bugger all to pay back the expense of the dogs he killed. In fact, it'd serve to deepen the cost because the State would then be paying for him to live in prison as well.

People are treating this like he left his kid in the car. Dogs are not human, and people need to stop pushing their own love for everything cute and fluffy. I do wonder exactly how much they'd care if it was an ugly animal instead.

I agree that it would be futile to put him in prison, and by no means am I saying this just because I like dogs.
Heat stroke fucking hurts. Dogs feel pain. The dogs died from literally baking alive.
The logical result from that is: The dogs died a painful death.
I know that things happen, and dogs will die from a slip in the mind of an otherwise loving caretaker. Its that they suffered that bothers me.

 

[Bagaloo]

*Snip*

I'll second Amnestic's opinion here.
The guy made a mistake, and suddenly people want to see him dead. I mean, it was just two dogs. Yes dogs are fluffy and cute and it was a horrible fate for them, but sticking a police officer in prison seems way to harsh a punishment.

Heck, the fine alone during this recession period is going to be pretty devastating; cops don't earn that much money.

I don't really see why this has been blown so out of proportion, people purposefully neglect animals all the time, and this guy does it by accident and suddenly he's worse than Hitler. I'm sure he feels sorry for his actions, give the guy a break.

 

[Olfinbedwere]

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[KingPiccolOwned]

Don't fire him or put him in jail, just put him in a car on a hot day until he dies.

That is insane.
I suppose losing his job is inevitable, but I don't think that prison is something that is really appropriate here. I mean they're just frickin' dogs for fu__s sake, I know that they are cute and lovable (some are anyways), but killing them isn't by any stretcht the same as killing a person. Whe used to understand this.

 

[RavingPenguin]

There are very few who would care if I died. Mostly immediate family. A dogs mother, though, doesnt care if their pup dies, I have seen wolves eat members of there own pack, and a mother dog go and bury her own pup when it died without second thought and go right back to her other pups.
If we were to carry your beleifes to their logical conclusions, should we not also harbor flys or mosquitos as pets? as they too feel pain and breath. Why dont we all stop eating chicken, as surely putting them to death is wrong too. Nature is unforgiving, and the only reason we have grown soft is because we have eliminated nature from our environments. As short as 50 years ago, if those two dogs had died no-one would have batted an eye. He may have been suspended for monetary reasons but not for killing a few dogs.

Humans kill members of their own family, and human mothers have tossed newborns in dumpsters while they still lived. Almost all mothers whatever species care if their children live or die. Animals have thoughts and emotions and are capable of love. Insects are not. And putting chickens to death is wrong. And I wouldn't kill you, just because you'd taste good with honey mustard.

If its one thing Ive learned while hunting animals, and training others, its that no dog, or animal for that matter, is capable of emotion. A dog "loves" because you'll pet it, because you'll feed it, and you'll care for it. A dog does not really love you, it has learned that acting in a certain manner triggers certain rewards. The same is true with all animals, they will only act out of love if they get something out of the deal. Insects are also capable of independent thought upon instinct. Bees can be trained to only fly to certain flowers.
To counter your last point: the only reason you would not kill me is because the law says so.

 

[Lyri]

Christ! whats wrong with you people? They were dogs! They weren't even pet dogs. They werent near and dear to anyone. They were tools, used to find drugs and bombs, maybe even attack people, and yet you all say he is the worst kind of man, even going so far as to say he should die. I'll never understand why anti-speceism is so popular. Hes no murderer. Did anyone here consider maybe he did it on accident? Maybe he forgot to open the windows a bit. Maybe he went to get a cup of coffee, got to chatting, and lost track of time. There are a whole host of possibilities, but no-one here considers them.
I think that a suspension is probably right, after all he has cost the police a few hundered dollars and man hours in killing the dogs. He most certainly does not deserve a prison sentence, but a small fine may be in order.

What do you think they do with them?
The officer they're assigned too takes them home and looks after them, like a pet dog. They don't just live in some kind of kennel until a large shipment of drugs come rolling on in.
They are trained animals and someones friend too.

That said, I find this to be completely stupid. Any dog owner should know to leave but the tiniest of cracks for animals to get ventilation.
Even if it is a police car.

 

[Scrythe]

If you are stupid enough to leave two living beings in a car on a hot day, when you know what will happen, I'm scared what you will do with a gun. He deserves to be fired.

I live in Las Vegas. You hear about shit like this all the time. Every summer, some dumbass will leave their kid in a car in 110-degree weather. Every summer, at least one child becomes cooked pork. Every summer, you hear the same stupid fucking excuse: "Well I only left him/her in there for ten minutes! I thought it would be fine."

As sad as it is to hear, it is also good to know that in some situations, retards don't get to spawn.

 

[Sugarnugget]

wow the world is getting stupider and stupider by the minute

 

[Lizardpudding]

Seems that the only fair punishment would be to lock him in a car in the desert for a similar amount of time. Right?

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

Meh. While it's sad that two living creatures have lost their lives, it's just idiotic to wish death on your fellow human for that reason. He is not, by definition, a murderer, he is not a rapist, he is not a paedophile, all he did was forget, for whatever reason, to open his car's windows slightly. If you're going to wish death on someone for that then I don't know what you deserve, but the least of it is that you'd be walking funny.

Accidents happen, the severity of the accidents depend on the environment in which they are made. Maybe someone in a delivery business made a similar mistake, they get a written warning and a shouting at, but as in this case it was not some kind of delivery (use your imagination) and as a result a man may be facing six months in jail.

 

[CrashBang]

Strangely while this weeks escapist issue is on pets I found This news story [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8160753.stm]

He left two police dogs in his car on a hot day and both died. He is currently suspended and is being charged with causing unnecessary suffering to the animals. He faces up to 6 months in prison and £20,000 fine ($32,992 US dollars according to Googles exchange rate).

This is a real shame but does he deserve to lose his job? Should he go to prison? (It cant be fun being a cop in prison). How about if he was just demoted?

Personally I'd fire him and ban him from keeping animals.

What are your thoughts?

Yeah I think a hefty fine and a demotion is a good idea. Although I'm kinda with the idea of him losing his job, but definitely not a prison sentence

 

[Travdelosmuertos]

A lot of internet tough guys here.

The guy made a mistake, no doubt about that. Toss him a fine, maybe a good deal of community service and a demotion, but prison and losing his job (which will effectively keep him out of the Police Force for the rest of his life if what my friend, also a Police Officer, said is true)? That's really harsh.

They're dogs guys. They're not human.

Agreed, despite the no firearm thing in England. Every summer they do PSAs about "dont leave your so and so unattended in a hot car", a police officer should be very well aware of these things. Its common sense.

"To err is human, to forgive divine."
"Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone."
"Some other line about forgiveness."

When you guys come to me and tell me you've never forgotten anything important, I'll consider thinking otherwise but what I see right now are a bunch of flared tempers over someone making a mistake which cost precisely zero humans their lives or wellbeing. Destroying possibly his entire livelihood is extreme to say the least.

And I'd bet £10 of the Queen's finest pound sterling these are the same guys telling us we're too nanny state and too harsh on people as well. Hypocrisy abound.

Listen. The man is a police officer. His job is to do what? Uphold the LAW. When the police break the law, they are to be held as accountable as the law can hold them. You don't give them a slap on the wrist. They know the goddamn law, or so they should. It's their fucking job. I have no sympathy for this guy. You broke the law, and now you must pay for it. I've forgotten plenty of things in my day but never once have I been so stupid or negligent to leave two living beings to be cooked in a car on a hot day. Fuck this guy, he deserves what he gets. Your argument that it doesn't matter because it was just animals is flawed. It doesn't matter whether or not it was a dog or not. It's fucking illegal.

 

[Monocle Man]

Now this is silly. There's no need for such grave punishments as locking that man himself up in a hot car. No reason for prison, and no reason for being permanently fired.

Let him pay a some pounds to cover the dogs, suspend him for a month or two and say "Bad!". That's punishment enough.
Heck it would still be more than a dozen times worse than the punishment parents who leave their baby in a hot car get.

The man shouldn't have left him there, I agree. But most likely he just forgot about time after he had to do something outside the car.
And two dogs for one officer? That's just asking for trouble. You can't take two dogs with you all the time, can you?
Try inspecting someone's papers and taking notes when there's a leash in both hands.

 

[Travdelosmuertos]

Meh. While it's sad that two living creatures have lost their lives, it's just idiotic to wish death on your fellow human for that reason. He is not, by definition, a murderer, he is not a rapist, he is not a paedophile, all he did was forget, for whatever reason, to open his car's windows slightly. If you're going to wish death on someone for that then I don't know what you deserve, but the least of it is that you'd be walking funny.

Accidents happen, the severity of the accidents depend on the environment in which they are made. Maybe someone in a delivery business made a similar mistake, they get a written warning and a shouting at, but as in this case it was not some kind of delivery (use your imagination) and as a result a man may be facing six months in jail.

I'd be willing to bet that the package being delivered was not breathing. Personally, I'm not wishing death to the man or wishing for him to be left in a hot car on a 100 degree day or whatever else people are saying. No matter the excuse, those dogs were in his care and he let them die. It'd be like me not giving my child water because I fucking forgot and he died. Take out the human element and you still see that it is illegal. A cop should know that and should be given no leeway.