Police pepper spray 8 year old
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After watching it I have to agree with many that it was justified. The police had to make sure to stop him from becoming a further threat to other kids, teachers, and themselves. What I can't stand however is that his mother likely "allows" for this to happen. While I am not dogging on everyone that is over weight, but if she wants her son to be a good kid she needs to show the same model behavior. Being healthy, respectful, working hard, and knowing consequences. What is the mother doing at home to disipline him, and to make him behave? Is she holding him to the same punishment, or just saying no, then going back to the couch to eat another carton of icecream? Honestly, the family needs to have an intervention of parenting for the kid. He's already had run ins with the police before this, well guess it's showing what his life is going to be like in another ten years.
If you, as a grown-ass man, need pepper spray to restrain an EIGHT YEAR OLD WITH A STICK not only should you not be allowed to be a police officer, you should have your balls revoked. The little bastard is 8 years old he probably weighs like 75 pounds and there were 2 cops. Pepper spray was employed because it sounded like fun, no other reason whatsoever.
Familiar
You know like,
"Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" : "Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays." *cough* America Uber Alles, Manifest Destiny *cough*
Or, "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" : "Because of fear of enemies and the need for security the people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." *cough* Guantanamo,Abu Ghraib *cough*
Or, "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause" : "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities" *cough* War on Islam..err (T)error *cough*
Or, "Supremacy of the Military" : "Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. " *cough* The Few,The Proud , The Ubermench The US MarineSS *cough*
Or "Obsession with National Security" : "Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses." *cough* Terror Alert Brown, everybody soil their pants! Quick! Be afraid! *cough*
Or "Corporate Power is Protected" : "The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite." *cough* KBR,Blackwater/Xe *cough*
Or "Obsession with Crime and Punishment" : "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. " *cough* no-oversight domestic espionage program *cough*
Or "Rampant Cronyism and Corruption" : "Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability." *cough* Billions of "reconstruction" dollars missing *cough*
Right... Land of the Brave/ Home of the Free. Sure.
Back on topic : It was overkill on an 8 year old kid.
Oh? Familiar with characteristics of fascism are we?bdcjacko said:
You know like,
"Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" : "Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays." *cough* America Uber Alles, Manifest Destiny *cough*
Or, "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" : "Because of fear of enemies and the need for security the people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." *cough* Guantanamo,Abu Ghraib *cough*
Or, "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause" : "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities" *cough* War on Islam..err (T)error *cough*
Or, "Supremacy of the Military" : "Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. " *cough* The Few,The Proud , The Ubermench The US MarineSS *cough*
Or "Obsession with National Security" : "Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses." *cough* Terror Alert Brown, everybody soil their pants! Quick! Be afraid! *cough*
Or "Corporate Power is Protected" : "The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite." *cough* KBR,Blackwater/Xe *cough*
Or "Obsession with Crime and Punishment" : "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. " *cough* no-oversight domestic espionage program *cough*
Or "Rampant Cronyism and Corruption" : "Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability." *cough* Billions of "reconstruction" dollars missing *cough*
Right... Land of the Brave/ Home of the Free. Sure.
Back on topic : It was overkill on an 8 year old kid.
I just don't think it would be THAT difficult to restrain him. As I've already said earlier, I'm not really against their action here, as they did use non-lethal force and end the situation.bdcjacko said:
i have no idea about the legal right of the police to use pepper spray in this situation given his age and subsequently meagre threat level
but from a personal point of view they were fully justified in spraying him in his angry little face
it's not like he's had his face torn off by it, it just stung like hell for a while (presumably)
and it succeeded in controlling the sitaution
fair enough if he can't control his mood swings
but he should accept that it was fully justified
but from a personal point of view they were fully justified in spraying him in his angry little face
it's not like he's had his face torn off by it, it just stung like hell for a while (presumably)
and it succeeded in controlling the sitaution
fair enough if he can't control his mood swings
but he should accept that it was fully justified
However neither of the above 2 mentioned methods of yours are lethal, which is exactly the point. They are meant to be used to deal with situations that get out of hand without requiring the use of lethal force.dagens24 said:
OT: I believe in this situation, although the general tag line "8 year old pepper sprayed" may sound at first somewhat shocking, it is entirely justifiable. The pepper spray quickly diffuses the situation, leaves the child with no permanent damage (merely very short term discomfort), and also ensures no one else sustains damage.
If you weigh up the scenario, yes he may only be 8 years old, but if he is wielding a sharpened stick then all it takes is one lucky jab (either to the eyes or between the ribs) to cause even an adult a permanently disabling or even in the worst case scenario life threatening injury.
In this case even the child is smart enough to admit that the pepper spray was not unnecessary force to be used against him and that they were justified in doing so in the situation. (Watch the video, he states that he deserved it).
I think in all likelihood, you are right, it wouldn't have been hard. But again you can't think so simplistically in a situation like this. Because we do live in a sue happy time. School policy comes into effect, having to take charge of a media storm, and it isn't ever about what happened, but what could have happened.MaxwellEdison said:
But yes you would think knocking the little bastard down would have been easy.
Admittedly, it's better than beating the crap outta the kid, but there's an important point to be made. This kid is 8 years old. I severely doubt that anyone is justified in calling an 8 year old a serious threat. These are police officers, trained to take down murderous thugs. If they need pepper spray to deal with an 8 year old, there's something wrong with the local police.
This also. Two trained teahcers > one angry kid. If that doesn't hold, then I can tell what's gone wrong here.Eldarion said:
facepalm police went too far
also get that kid checked out lady
my 2 cents on the kids behavor eather he has anger issuses or that was a panic attack and he needs consuling
also get that kid checked out lady
my 2 cents on the kids behavor eather he has anger issuses or that was a panic attack and he needs consuling
So the kid's an angry **** and went on a rampage threatening to kill the teachers with a sharp stick after ripping the school up a bit over something he doesn't even remember and the police are being attacked for it?
The police were justified in what they did. They could have sent in that special unit but they didn't and the officers did what they could without touching the kid and being accused of something else.
You're some kind of hardened hooligan that you treat a peppering so lightly? Or in general having the police barge over you. I don't know about you, but when a policeman, you know, comes at you to immobilize or incapacitate you, it's because of something serious, like starting a bar brawl or catching you in the act of stealing something.bdcjacko said:
Not being an 8 freaking year old with an attitude problem, no matter how serious that problem is. You don't pepper spray a kid. You grab his stick from his hand or whatever, lift him up and put him in a corner and give him a good yelling to if necessary.
You pepper spray a tall drunken goon bent on trouble, not a kid whose testicles haven't even dropped.
I really don't see the issue here. Pepper spray causes no permanent damage. It's not like he was hit with a tazer, shot with bean bag rounds(those things will crack ribs and such), or something that could cause serious damage to somebody his age.
Even if they didn't use the pepper spray and attempted to subdue the kid he could get injured in some way and then the title of this news article would be about "police brutality on an eight year old child" or something of that sort.
Even if they didn't use the pepper spray and attempted to subdue the kid he could get injured in some way and then the title of this news article would be about "police brutality on an eight year old child" or something of that sort.
He's learned a valuable lesson today : "Never try to murder your teachers with Nightsticks, or you will be pepper-sprayed in the face and left in absoloute Agony-Inducing pain until you are finnally dragged to the police station."
Call me immature, but I laughed when I read this thread's name. After I read the article, I had "Different" feelings towards the situation.
Not like he had allergies towards the stuff (or, at least I hope so), but you're taking it way too far, you could of just lured him out of the school or something, you don't have to pepper-spray him in the face 'till he drops drops to the ground (Well, I'm assuming he dropped to the ground, or at least dropped the nightstick, and I'm assuming the weapon was a nightstick, since there's not much you can do with a regular ol' "stick").
Call me immature, but I laughed when I read this thread's name. After I read the article, I had "Different" feelings towards the situation.
Not like he had allergies towards the stuff (or, at least I hope so), but you're taking it way too far, you could of just lured him out of the school or something, you don't have to pepper-spray him in the face 'till he drops drops to the ground (Well, I'm assuming he dropped to the ground, or at least dropped the nightstick, and I'm assuming the weapon was a nightstick, since there's not much you can do with a regular ol' "stick").