Police taser 10 year old.

[Worsle]

they will be taken down with all the force needed.

Yes.
And this was a ten year old girl.
What kind of police officer needs a stun gun to take down a ten year old girl?

those that fear hurting the girl.

an officer is ten fold more likely to dislocate arms, snap bones, or cause massive physical trama to a pre-teen individual. after all they are trained to over power and force into submission Grown Male Adults. the taser was more than likely the safest solution considering the circimstances.

Here is an even safer solution, not trying to fucking arrest a 10 year old for not having a shower. Really what sort of moron gets into that sort of situation? It is not one I want as a police officer.

 

[Maze1125]

they will be taken down with all the force needed.

Yes.
And this was a ten year old girl.
What kind of police officer needs a stun gun to take down a ten year old girl?

those that fear hurting the girl.

an officer is ten fold more likely to dislocate arms, snap bones, or cause massive physical trama to a pre-teen individual. after all they are trained to over power and force into submission Grown Male Adults. the taser was more than likely the safest solution considering the circimstances.

Again, that's bollocks.
Especially as the effects of electrical stun devices have never been tested on children, and have been known to kill adults in rare cases.

There was far more potential for harm this way even if the claim of possible broken bones was true.

 

[niblik]

Everyone who was actually present at the event please raise your hand?

Anyone?

As I didn't see what went down I don't have a strong opinion about the tazing being justified or not. That being said, there are two rules about areas of the human body that you are not supposed to kick/punch:

1. Man's testicals
2. Woman's boob(s)

Any 10 year old that goes after a man's jewels doesn't get a lot of sympathy from me. It actually sounds as if she has some serious aggression issues that require some consoling. Hopefully she got a wake-up call from all this. Hopefully her mother finds a way to get her daughter's aggression under control.

I suspect the police officer will be wearing a cup from now on. I know I would.

 

[shiaomin]

Eer.....I have to say....no I would of gone off on her but not taze her....

 

[whatdoyouthink]

I'd tazer anyone who would kick me in the balls

 

[Worsle]

sure tasering a child is bad but there ARE some devil kids out there that need to be taken down like adults. not every kid is a weakling who can be reasoned with, some can be violent, and can kill in certain cases. saying all kids can't be dangerous to adults is like saying women are too weak to hurt anything, its not ALWAYS the case, look at the stories of kids killing their entire families. The police officer also had PERMISSION from her PARENT. since he had permission he had every right to use a taser.

Yes devil kids who wont take a shower. Your entire point here is irrelevant to what is going on. Also are you saying women are like children? The whole reason children can't be treated like adults in any civilised society is because they do not have th reasoning or the experience of adults. So unless you are saying women can't reason as well as men your comparison is flawed.

That and the permission thing is bullshit. Even if the mother did say he could do it, first why the hell was he asking in the first place? Did he go into it looking to taser the child? Second it is not some thing you can give permission to do, if the mother had said he could shoot her would that make it ok too?

 

[Carlston]

Don't wanna be stun gunned don't kick a cop in the nuts. He should have pepper sprayed the little brat it hurts worse and longer.

What a load of crap. Being kicked in the nuts does not give you the right to taser (because stun gunned sounds stupid) a 10 year old, really just try that excuses your self. It would not hold up for a normal person and it should not hold up for the police. Being a police officer does not suddenly mean you have the right to react violently to a child and using a stun gun is a violent reaction.


Read the post again. The kid was not arrested for not taking a shower by causing basicly a public disturbance and threatening her mom.
And yes no matter what age a police officer is given the right to react if under assault and bodily harm is done.
So you rather he arm barred a 10 year old? Punched, baton'd, pepper sprayed, or kick the kid in the face just cause your a kid, unarmed, with a knife, a gun or a baseball bat or teddy bear you can not attack a police officer or anyone and expect them to take it with the excuse it's just a kid.

The fact the officer was attempting to arrest some one for not taking a shower is stupid enough. Wasting police time is an offence that officer should be facing too as this whole incident was waist of time from the beginning.

 

[Maze1125]

The police officer also had PERMISSION from her PARENT. since he had permission he had every right to use a taser.

A parent's permission is not absolute. Children aren't object's that are owned by their parent. The idea that a police officer could change their actions based on permission is absurd.

Either
A) There is no need to taser a child. In which case the child should not be tasered regardless of permission.
Or
B) Due to some extremely rare circumstances there is a need to taser a child, in which case the child needs to be tasered regardless of permission.

Either way, the parent's given permission is utterly irrelevant.

 

[Worsle]

Don't wanna be stun gunned don't kick a cop in the nuts. He should have pepper sprayed the little brat it hurts worse and longer.

What a load of crap. Being kicked in the nuts does not give you the right to taser (because stun gunned sounds stupid) a 10 year old, really just try that excuses your self. It would not hold up for a normal person and it should not hold up for the police. Being a police officer does not suddenly mean you have the right to react violently to a child and using a stun gun is a violent reaction.

The fact the officer was attempting to arrest some one for not taking a shower is stupid enough. Wasting police time is an offence that officer should be facing too as this whole incident was waist of time from the beginning.

Read the post again. The kid was not arrested for not taking a shower by causing basicly a public disturbance and threatening her mom.
And yes no matter what age a police officer is given the right to react if under assault and bodily harm is done.
So you rather he arm barred a 10 year old? Punched, baton'd, pepper sprayed, or kick the kid in the face just cause your a kid, unarmed, with a knife, a gun or a baseball bat or teddy bear you can not attack a police officer or anyone and expect them to take it with the excuse it's just a kid.

So in other words he was there to arrest her for not having a shower. The public disturbance thing is not even claimed by the police in the article, only the mother called in the police so it is not a public disturbance but a tantrum and if that is an arrestable offence now we will see a lot of kids in jail.

You know what I would have rather he had done? Not tried to arrest some one for not taking a shower for a start, given he lacked the brains for that maybe this was his best coarse of action. Though really if you think a fully grown man can't restrain a 10 year old without breaking bones I think you need to get some perspective.

That and the police officer whose first reaction is always violence regardless of the situation? Is not some one who should be a cop in the first place.

Also worth it is repeating we are talking about a fully grown man who is a trained police officer and a 10 year old girl who is throwing a tantrum over not wanting to take a shower. Any one who thinks tazer the girl is a good solution to that scenario worries me.

 

[Carlston]

Don't wanna be stun gunned don't kick a cop in the nuts. He should have pepper sprayed the little brat it hurts worse and longer.

What a load of crap. Being kicked in the nuts does not give you the right to taser (because stun gunned sounds stupid) a 10 year old, really just try that excuses your self. It would not hold up for a normal person and it should not hold up for the police. Being a police officer does not suddenly mean you have the right to react violently to a child and using a stun gun is a violent reaction.

The fact the officer was attempting to arrest some one for not taking a shower is stupid enough. Wasting police time is an offence that officer should be facing too as this whole incident was waist of time from the beginning.

Read the post again. The kid was not arrested for not taking a shower by causing basicly a public disturbance and threatening her mom.
And yes no matter what age a police officer is given the right to react if under assault and bodily harm is done.
So you rather he arm barred a 10 year old? Punched, baton'd, pepper sprayed, or kick the kid in the face just cause your a kid, unarmed, with a knife, a gun or a baseball bat or teddy bear you can not attack a police officer or anyone and expect them to take it with the excuse it's just a kid.

So in other words he was there to arrest her for not having a shower. The public disturbance thing is not even claimed by the police in the article, only the mother called in the police so it is not a public disturbance but a tantrum and if that is an arrestable offence now we will see a lot of kids in jail.

You know what I would have rather he had done? Not tried to arrest some one for not taking a shower for a start, given he lacked the brains for that maybe this was his best coarse of action. Though really if you think a fully grown man can't restrain a 10 year old without breaking bones I think you need to get some perspective.

That and the police officer whose first reaction is always violence regardless of the situation? Is not some one who should be a cop in the first place.

Also worth it is repeating we are talking about a fully grown man who is a trained police officer and a 10 year old girl who is throwing a tantrum over not wanting to take a shower. Any one who thinks tazer the girl is a good solution to that scenario worries me.

You can find the story on other news outlets and seems they have different view points.
And they never tell you everything to make the story more biased in the first place. If he tasered her she'd be in the hospital to remove darts.

As well you make a good point, now be that police officer, get 35k a year and know any 70 year old you pull over can shoot you for little to no reason or a 7 year old playing with what looks like a toy gun pops a cap in you.

If mommy was a good parent she'd of done something to start with, bring in the law and have them be attacked? Why? Can't punish your own child so you hope someone else does? Kid still assaulted a police officer. Period. Even if the officer shouldn't have responded to the call. Now.... you really think 911 or a police dispatcher would have sent a cop quickly to a call "My daughter won't take a shower?" call? No....

Hit about 6 different news stories and the BS is cleared up a bit more.

 

[Maze1125]

he had permission, and he is legally untouchable as he had parental permission.

That is simply not true.
A parent could give me permission to punch their child in the face, that doesn't mean I couldn't be charged with assault if I did it.

Parents do not own their children.

In fact, there is an international convention to that effect.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/crc.htm

Parents do not have the right to give permission for their child to be harmed.
Whether or not this tasering was lawful is completely independent of the permission the mother gave.

 

[Grounogeos]

I'm taking Intro Law Enforcement right now. Maybe he went a little too far, but when a suspect becomes violent, an officer's allowed to fight back and (if necessary) use his less-dangerous tools to bring the suspect under control.

Given what we know so far, the way she was resisting would have allowed the use of joint/pressure point manipulation, hard-hand techniques (punches/kicks/strikes), his baton, pepper spray, or a taser.

Okay, since he's a full-grown man who probably has a lot of strength and she's a 10-year-old girl, joint manipulation might have severely injured her, and hard-hand definitely would have. Baton's out of the question, so that leaves pepper spray and the taser. My dad's an officer, so he knows first-hand what it's like to be on the receiving end of both; from what he says the pepper spray's a lot worse. So, going from what I know about policing, the taser was the most effective way to get her under control without causing any lasting damage (other than a fear of fighting the police). Might have been a little cruel, but when someone's kicking people in the groin over a shower it kinda makes you think that maybe they asked for it.

 

[Worsle]

no. you are completely misunderstanding the entire POINT of WHY the girl needed the police in the first place. she wasn't tasered for not taking a shower, she was tasered for assault on a police officer and disorderly conduct, NOT FOR REFUSING TO TAKE A SHOWER. you implying i insulted women shows just how you missed the entire post's POINT. i am saying some kids can be just as dangerous as adults. that's my point. reading half my post then reacting in such a way only drags this argument out more. he had permission, and he is legally untouchable as he had parental permission. my comparison is that you think kids cant be dangerous and dont need to be taken down like adults, i stated a similar FALSE stereotype then gave an example of how the kids not being dangerous notion is flawed.

EDIT: the police officer didn't ASK FOR PERMISSION.the mother GAVE them permission to taser without police asking.

Ok lets take this slow. Why was the officer kicked in the nuts? Because he was trying to arrest the little girl. Why was he trying to arrest the little girl? Because she was pulling a tantrum. Why was she pulling a tantrum? Because she was not wanting to have a shower. Ergo he was trying to arrest a little girl for not wanting to have a shower. Also some stranger tries to pick you up while you are pulling a tantrum? You would lash out at them too, the fact the officer did not see this happening comes down to his own stupidity, some thing that is at the root of the incident.

Wither or not children can by violent is irrelevant. we are not talking about some hypothetical child but the one in this insolent, who was causing a fuss over not wanting a shower. That and even if some kids are "evil" they are also not fully reasoning adults and should never be treated as such.

Also I am reading your posts, I just don't agree there is a difference. Also who just randomly says by the way you can taser my child? No he would have had to have asked to do it, it is too specific a request and even then permission does not suddenly make an action legal or a senible thing to do.

 

[Ancientgamer]

I have little sympathy for a girl who'd throw a silly tantrum over a shower, I have markedly little respect for an officer who has to taze a young girl.


But my god, the mother is just completely batshit fucking stupid. I'm sorry when I read that the argument was in the house, and shefucking called the police, I just quit and said "this is where the blame is.


I mean honestly, what the flying fuck.

 

[Maze1125]

Also who just randomly says by the way you can taser my child?

Abusive parents.