Political Correctness

[MelodyMan]

Heh this reminds me of this stupid after school special type shows. You know the big gayass family ones where everyone learns a valuable lesson then the father molests the kids once the cameras are gone. (Okay so I just hate these types of shows)

Basically this little white kid was friends with a black kid. Went over to his house after school and the black kid and his family were saying things like "whats up my ******" and "up yours negro" in a jovial way. Next day at school the kid greets his friend like that then basically the entire episode was of the black kid and his family all ostracising the poor little white bastard and just treat him like trash. Not up until the very end did anyone explain to the kid that he is not allowed to say these things even though they can then he has to apologise even though he insulted them out of ignorance, they treated him badly because they are assholes. They did not even explain why.
So basically the whole moral you were meant to learn was a complete failure.
I was going to make a thread about this sort of thing (When after school specials fail) weeks ago when I saw it but well... I am very very lazy.

Now that show was racist.

No matter what the word is, if only one race can use it that is racism.

so would it be racist if a black man called a caucasian man "whitey"

 

[MasterSqueak]

Heh this reminds me of this stupid after school special type shows. You know the big gayass family ones where everyone learns a valuable lesson then the father molests the kids once the cameras are gone. (Okay so I just hate these types of shows)

Basically this little white kid was friends with a black kid. Went over to his house after school and the black kid and his family were saying things like "whats up my ******" and "up yours negro" in a jovial way. Next day at school the kid greets his friend like that then basically the entire episode was of the black kid and his family all ostracising the poor little white bastard and just treat him like trash. Not up until the very end did anyone explain to the kid that he is not allowed to say these things even though they can then he has to apologise even though he insulted them out of ignorance, they treated him badly because they are assholes. They did not even explain why.
So basically the whole moral you were meant to learn was a complete failure.
I was going to make a thread about this sort of thing (When after school specials fail) weeks ago when I saw it but well... I am very very lazy.

Now that show was racist.

No matter what the word is, if only one race can use it that is racism.

so would it be racist if a black man called a caucasian man "whitey"

Depends. What I was saying is, if a black family can use the word "******" in a joking fashion and a white kid saying it jokingly is offensive is racism.

If black people can say "******" jokingly but if a white person does the same, and he is called racist, the racists would be the black people who take offense to he word yet use it themselves. Understand?

 

[perfectimo]

Some people may care less about why you're speaking and more about what you're saying. To clarify my point, it would appear from your post that your word choice (you mentioned "racist terms, derogatory terms") is based solely on how that choice effects you and not anyone that you may be talking to or in the vicinity of. To be honest, I don't totally understand the purpose of that. It sounds like you'd be just as satisfied communicating the same ideas to a brick wall?

I will clarify more then and please don't try to belittle me by saying I could just talk to a brick wall (that shouldn't be a question).

I will not say racist terms to people who are of that race but I will refer to them as the term within my circle of friends. It is so I can have the fun of using profanity without offending anyone or making anyone feel hated.

 

[perfectimo]

I use racist terms, derogatory terms and I use whatever other terms there are.

Please note that I do not use them with hate behind them. That would be the point at which I know I have gone too far.

so you use terms with horrible meanings without thinking right? It doesn't matter of your intent to use these words, if they offend someone you are accountable.

you say "******" around a black person and theres no way that you can tell him that you didn't mean it. you say "slut" around a woman and theres no going back. these words have meanings, use some sense, meanings of words cannot be changed just for you.

Read all my posts before you jump the gun.


EDIT: I also read your motto, interesting.

 

[Flarvii]

Political correctness has gone out of hand in the past few years. In Australia you can't sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM that's just stupid

 

[perfectimo]

Yuh huh, I did, decisive usage doesn't excuse the fact that these words were created to be offensive, you have a very poor vocabulary at best.

There is no point arguing with you, you have already decided your viewpoint on me and have already judged me on one part of my behaviour. Well I guess I'll take your word for it that I have a very poor vocabulary, have fun being a hypocrite.

 

[Rassan]

Ah I know a good video on political correctness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PwiyOwGh4g

 

[AngloDoom]

I use whatever words I like, but I'm also not arrogant enough to assume it's my god-given duty to be callous to people who do care. In my head, I call people with any sort of mental disability "retard". I don't mean it offensively, it just fits. However, I wouldn't say it around people unless I know they are okay with it.

PC does go too far though, they went through a patch of trying to make it so you couldn't say "homosexual". What the hell would you say in substitute?

 

[MelodyMan]

Heh this reminds me of this stupid after school special type shows. You know the big gayass family ones where everyone learns a valuable lesson then the father molests the kids once the cameras are gone. (Okay so I just hate these types of shows)

Basically this little white kid was friends with a black kid. Went over to his house after school and the black kid and his family were saying things like "whats up my ******" and "up yours negro" in a jovial way. Next day at school the kid greets his friend like that then basically the entire episode was of the black kid and his family all ostracising the poor little white bastard and just treat him like trash. Not up until the very end did anyone explain to the kid that he is not allowed to say these things even though they can then he has to apologise even though he insulted them out of ignorance, they treated him badly because they are assholes. They did not even explain why.
So basically the whole moral you were meant to learn was a complete failure.
I was going to make a thread about this sort of thing (When after school specials fail) weeks ago when I saw it but well... I am very very lazy.

Now that show was racist.

No matter what the word is, if only one race can use it that is racism.

so would it be racist if a black man called a caucasian man "whitey"

Depends. What I was saying is, if a black family can use the word "******" in a joking fashion and a white kid saying it jokingly is offensive is racism.

If black people can say "******" jokingly but if a white person does the same, and he is called racist, the racists would be the black people who take offense to he word yet use it themselves. Understand?

yah

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

Being political correct is a pain in the ass. because most of the time, these are things by the people that aren't a part of the culture. Like for instance Eskimo's. They don't care that they're called Eskimo's. We don't care that they're called Eskimo's. Only a few twats care that had the power to annoy the hell out of some people so that Eskimo would be politically incorrect to say.

Yes this is true, I have noticed that, it annoys most the people it doesn't effect.

Political correctness and the First Amendment do not mix, and I've far more love of the latter.

Thank you, someone understands.

NO. I don't want "hate speech" laws past here. You should not go to jail for expressing your opinion however foul. The Government has used similar laws in the past to place innocent people in jail. You don't have a right not to get your feeling hurt.

Hate speech is bogus anyway. I mean why classify only specif things said out of malice as hate speech? How do you define hate speech?

The premise of the idea is bullshit. "Let's not say certain things so we don't offend ANYONE."

Example (stolen from George Carlin, requiescat in pace):
Crippled -> Disabled -> Handicapped -> Differently abled (not always, but sometimes).

Okay, "crippled" has taken on a derogatory meaning. So I understand that. "Disabled" is not inherently offensive, and "handicapped" most certainly isn't. And "differently abled"...fuck, it's not that they can do stuff different ways, it's that they can't do stuff most of us can. I, for one, used to be almost totally deaf in my left ear (and am still sub-standard, but I had surgery and it got better). I wasn't "differently abled". I couldn't hear things in a different way that no one else could. I just plain couldn't hear out of one ear. DISabled. Not differently abled.

And this whole thing down in Houston about "we have to have a minority (i.e., black or Hispanic. For some reason, "Asian" and "Native American" don't seem to apply here) holding the title of Superintendent of Schools." And consequently, they chose Rod Paige because he was black (and though it was before my time, some of my teachers have attested that he drove HISD into the shitter) and then Abelardo Saavdra becaus he's hispanic, and he had the policy of "fuck talking about it, fucking thinking about it, fuck telling anyone in advance. I'll announce what I want to do when I'm announcing the plan to bring it up for debate/a vote, and what I say goes".

Political correctness is BS. It's gotten to the point of "we can't say anything bad about a Mexican or a Black person or they'll pull the race card on us, and there's no way out of it because everyone else is too much into political correctnss to stand up and say 'Bullshit, that's not a racist comment. Sit down and shut the fuck up.'"

Yes, Jesse Jackson is one of those people, if you say anything bad about a black person you must be racist even if what you said has nothing to do with race. The same thing happened with Obama supporters,if you didn't vote for Obama you must be racist because there can't possibly be another reason you wouldn't vote for Obama,that was their mentality.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

Political correctness has gone out of hand in the past few years. In Australia you can't sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM that's just stupid

Do you mean the American National anthem? Because I can see how they might see that as disrespectful, although people in America sing the Canadian National anthem.

I use whatever words I like, but I'm also not arrogant enough to assume it's my god-given duty to be callous to people who do care. In my head, I call people with any sort of mental disability "retard". I don't mean it offensively, it just fits. However, I wouldn't say it around people unless I know they are okay with it.

PC does go too far though, they went through a patch of trying to make it so you couldn't say "homosexual". What the hell would you say in substitute?

Homosexual is the proper term, gay is not.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

The same thing happened with Obama supporters,if you didn't vote for Obama you must be racist because there can't possibly be another reason you wouldn't vote for Obama,that was their mentality.

The same thing happened with Obama detractors, if you voted for Obama you must be reverse racist because there can't possibly be another reason you would for for Obama, that was their mentality.

And I saw a hell of a lot more of the latter than the former.

Homosexual is the proper term, gay is not.

Wait, are you trying to tell people the proper term...in a thread about how wrong it is to force others to use one term instead of another?

You...don't see the hypocrisy there?

I will agree there were people on both sides blaming the other of racism in regards to Obama,but most of the more vocal people I saw were the Obama supporters.

I wasn't saying that people couldn't use the term gay, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it was for the PC movement not to allow that term, there are terms that are more technical than others, but that doesn't make the non-technical terms wrong. However also in this case the origin of the term gay is happy so it has another technical meaning.

 

[hagaya]

I use racist terms, derogatory terms and I use whatever other terms there are.

Please note that I do not use them with hate behind them. That would be the point at which I know I have gone too far.

I work in the same way. If it doesn't offend the person you're talking to, its politically correct. I know when to stop, there are boundaries that are well beyond defined, and crossing one probably results in getting a brick to the face.