I think on this we can agree. People want to be PC when what they are probably looking for is to be more precise.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Political Correctness
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I hate political correctness with a passion.
For example, I cannot say the term "Black Person" anymore because it's not politically correct. I'm not being called Irish American, or a Non Colored Person, I'm called a white person, so that's what I prefer to use. I don't use "Latino, or Hispanic" for the exact same reasons. I use "Mexican, or Mexican American" That's the way I think I should say things. If you disagree, then cover your ears.
For example, I cannot say the term "Black Person" anymore because it's not politically correct. I'm not being called Irish American, or a Non Colored Person, I'm called a white person, so that's what I prefer to use. I don't use "Latino, or Hispanic" for the exact same reasons. I use "Mexican, or Mexican American" That's the way I think I should say things. If you disagree, then cover your ears.
Political correctness mistakenly teaches people that they have a right not to be offended. That isn't true and it's a very dangerous lesson to teach.
If people can force others to say or not to say certain things, it's only a matter of time before free speech is gone forever. Free speech is the cornerstone for our entire society. Without it, a democratic system cannot survive.
If someone's speech offends you, you are free to voice your discontent. That's fine. But PC is becoming more than a suggestion or request for politeness. It's becoming a demand that some people think they have a right to enforce by shutting that person up. That's what's dangerous.
If people can force others to say or not to say certain things, it's only a matter of time before free speech is gone forever. Free speech is the cornerstone for our entire society. Without it, a democratic system cannot survive.
If someone's speech offends you, you are free to voice your discontent. That's fine. But PC is becoming more than a suggestion or request for politeness. It's becoming a demand that some people think they have a right to enforce by shutting that person up. That's what's dangerous.
You forgot a bunch more.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Racism -> patriotism.
Nationalism -> patriotism.
Jingoism -> patriotism.
Patriarchal authority -> family values.
Religious indoctrination -> family values.
Stuff that was created as a political statement in the 1950s(*) -> tradition.
None of these get the scathing label of "political correctness", though. Apparently it's only wrong to be offended about race, gender, or sexual orientation.
-- Alex
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* - E.g. "under God", Confederate bars on the Georgia state flag.
I think not being able to call things retarded is retarded. Retarded means unworkable, if something is unworkable, I call it retarded.
I was thinking about "gay" the other day, as well. It used to mean 'happy' then it meant 'homosexual' now it means 'undesirable'. Maybe we're not so much intolerant people as subconsciously evolving the language
I was thinking about "gay" the other day, as well. It used to mean 'happy' then it meant 'homosexual' now it means 'undesirable'. Maybe we're not so much intolerant people as subconsciously evolving the language
[quote="0thello" post="18.118051.2261303I don't really care about the term Caucasian, it doesn't bother me because I've never had to really use it, however in the context of this conversation: The irony of your statement is that White people/Caucasians can trace their heritage back to Africa too and still retain the culture of whatever individual place they're from. Since of course white people are from Africa too if we want to get into the nitty/gritty of the truth however just like the migrations White people/Caucasians made, people who would be considered black (by the incorrect super-umbrella term) exist outside of Africa. They exist in Asia and even Australia. You're very right about the term caucus being an incorrect moniker however in that vain care to provide another?[/quote]
alright here we go with the semantics. i'm talking specifically about race and how it corresponds to nationality, not anthropology. you wouldn't have to use the term african american either, would you, if you aren't from the US? often i find people irked because african american doesn't denote their country of origin, such as places outside of africa, even if they don't know their heritage which is usually the case with some because of slavery and that's why to avoid possible offensiveness the government just uses african american to cover everybody's ass. it isn't meant to mean all blacks are from africa. of course not, but their closest ancestors were. caucasian is different because it means a specific region and is old and has been disproved. i wouldn't mind just saying black or white but thats okay cause those denotations are usually held on the same regard. matter o fact i will provide more, it's the same deal with latino/hispanic/white hispanic/latino. the system might not be exactly the way you want it to be but it works and if it really bothers you take it up with someone else. sorry if i missed the point
alright here we go with the semantics. i'm talking specifically about race and how it corresponds to nationality, not anthropology. you wouldn't have to use the term african american either, would you, if you aren't from the US? often i find people irked because african american doesn't denote their country of origin, such as places outside of africa, even if they don't know their heritage which is usually the case with some because of slavery and that's why to avoid possible offensiveness the government just uses african american to cover everybody's ass. it isn't meant to mean all blacks are from africa. of course not, but their closest ancestors were. caucasian is different because it means a specific region and is old and has been disproved. i wouldn't mind just saying black or white but thats okay cause those denotations are usually held on the same regard. matter o fact i will provide more, it's the same deal with latino/hispanic/white hispanic/latino. the system might not be exactly the way you want it to be but it works and if it really bothers you take it up with someone else. sorry if i missed the point
Oh fuckin A, I am sick and tired of political correctness, YES it has a place TO A CERTAIN POINT. After that it is nothing more then so goddamn annoying that I'm ready to pistol whip anyone that tells me to say "visually-challenged" rather than blind. I mean good lord it wasn't a derogatory term so why the hell the concern? I agree with Haydyn, I don't want one race supreme over all others, no all I ask is that people open their eyes and realize something, WE...ARE...ALL...HUMAN. Which means I don't really give a flying fuck where you're from, if i don't like you it's probably because you're a less than savory person. Sorry, getting off-topic but what I don't get is how the only people that seem to even want to be politically correct are those people with Holier-Than-Thou attitudes. Look I understand how being politically correct is nice and all but give it a rest, we all know it's nothing more than a charade you put on for everyone to see how "wonderful" of a person you are. I just don't know what's wrong with people to realize that we are all just that, PEOPLE! So just forget that race exists and we won't have to deal with issues spawned off of it like this.
I don't know maybe my view is a little extreme but I just wish we could drop the act and be who we are.
Til next time.
-Unstoppable Wall
I don't know maybe my view is a little extreme but I just wish we could drop the act and be who we are.
Til next time.
-Unstoppable Wall
Being politically correct only slightly mitigates the sting behind words, that is, if you use the proper nouns/verbs/adj./etc. The phrase "politically correct" was most likely coined in a less formal place, but a place in which people didn't want to hear the F-bomb dropped every two words. Nor did racial slurs find a place in here because not only are some vague, they can also serve as a terrible insult flat out. If you use longer words that you wouldn't find in a picture book or a rather graphic novel(I don't mean anime), it takes them a while to compose themselves, rethink before striking, and come up with a rebuddle, assuming the option they chose whilst composing and rethinking was not violent. As for society today, it is a waste of time unless you are in the workplace. People generally go toward the well spoken man if it is a formal occasion or occurance. Essentially, politically correct should be replaced by "formal speak" for those who wish to oust the prior phrase alltogether. Also other shit.
Source please. Every year we were forced to sing that damn anthem in school and they also sing it at every game of football.Flarvii said:
Political Correction isn't so much a necessary element of society as it is a smart suggestion.
The fact is that there are just some individuals in the world who hear these words and lose their friggin' minds despite intent and/or irony, so all Political Correction does is give anyone trying to make a statement a warning as to what words to avoid using as to cover their asses.
From a linguistic point of view, any offensive word can lose meaning if enough people over a long enough period of time stop using it in an offensive context. For example, did anyone know that "pants" use to be considered offensive (and still is with certain British individuals? http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/art16-swearing.html)? This is part of the reason why I'm against "being PC": the "tough love" approach is best to force an offensive word back into mediocrity, using it as often as possible in a neutral of positive light. But the problem is not so much "what" someone thinks about an offensive word but "how" they think - and the fact is that some just aren't willing to look beyond the negativity some have invented it to imply and see that it's just a nonsense sound in the grand scheme of things.
Political Correction is a strange beast like that: only a relative few like it without being aware of it, those that like it and are aware of it find it condescending or blindly comforting, those that don't like it are generally smart enough to realize intent/irony, and everyone else couldn't give less of a damn. Kinda seems like a pointless burden when I put it that way...
The fact is that there are just some individuals in the world who hear these words and lose their friggin' minds despite intent and/or irony, so all Political Correction does is give anyone trying to make a statement a warning as to what words to avoid using as to cover their asses.
From a linguistic point of view, any offensive word can lose meaning if enough people over a long enough period of time stop using it in an offensive context. For example, did anyone know that "pants" use to be considered offensive (and still is with certain British individuals? http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/art16-swearing.html)? This is part of the reason why I'm against "being PC": the "tough love" approach is best to force an offensive word back into mediocrity, using it as often as possible in a neutral of positive light. But the problem is not so much "what" someone thinks about an offensive word but "how" they think - and the fact is that some just aren't willing to look beyond the negativity some have invented it to imply and see that it's just a nonsense sound in the grand scheme of things.
Political Correction is a strange beast like that: only a relative few like it without being aware of it, those that like it and are aware of it find it condescending or blindly comforting, those that don't like it are generally smart enough to realize intent/irony, and everyone else couldn't give less of a damn. Kinda seems like a pointless burden when I put it that way...
if the use of political correctness wassound logic hey would not have these http://www.logoi.com/pastimages/aphrodite.html and most great works of art involve nudity and other non pollitically correct things
