Poll: Abortion : Should men get a say?
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No consequences? what rock did you just crawl out from?!? the man has to pay child support, pay for food, school, college, dental plans, and basic finacial aid all across the board. next time, before you make a comment, make damn sure you know what you're talking about.velcthulhu said:
Severely reduced consequences, then, since he woman will be carrying, raising, and paying for the child, and all you have to do is send some of the money. And in the case where the man wants the abortion: he had sex with a woman who didn't like abortions, and he either knew that or hadn't bothered to check. He knew the risks, and he can stop whining about the results.Epitome said:
well, in the end you can't force a woman to have an abortion true, but for the mother to, say, have an abortion without consulting the father, even if the father wanted to keep the child, would be very cruel indeed. The same could sort of be said for the opposite way round - if the mother kept the child without consulting the father (who was completely against the idea), that wouldn't really be fair either, although there is less the father can do about it.
Yes, Ive heard of them. Theres one who I used to go to college with, and she tricked her boyfriend into it in the same way you describe, just cos she wanted a kid. Or so the rumor mill tells me. The dad just seems to have disappeared though, and occasionally shows up once in a while...Epitome said:
I think men should have more of a say in the matter, as a father they will have (or ought to have) as much responsibility for the child as the mother, and therefore their opinion should be taken more into account. However, it is the woman who will have the child, so I believe the final decision should be theirs to make. And in any case the father can always just run off, if they really want to, whereas the woman is pretty much stuck with the kid if they realise they have made the wrong decision.
Guy shouldn't be able to force the woman to kill off the baby, but they should have the right to practically abort it. I.e. Give up any claims to being a parent (Also making them not liable for child maintenance).
Likewise I do think women should be able to say they don't want the child, but the father is willing to raise it alone then a similar thing should be doable. The woman in this case gives up all claims and isn't liable for maintenance. Ofcourse if the womens REALLY spiteful in that kind of scenario they should still have the right to abort.
It's one of those areas where you really can't have equality in the sexes, simply because of the mechanics of pregnancy. It does suck that if you're a guy and you get a girl pregnant and she won't abort, you have to pay maintenance for 18 years and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You won't see any feminists mention that tho, bunch of hypocritical twonks.
Likewise I do think women should be able to say they don't want the child, but the father is willing to raise it alone then a similar thing should be doable. The woman in this case gives up all claims and isn't liable for maintenance. Ofcourse if the womens REALLY spiteful in that kind of scenario they should still have the right to abort.
It's one of those areas where you really can't have equality in the sexes, simply because of the mechanics of pregnancy. It does suck that if you're a guy and you get a girl pregnant and she won't abort, you have to pay maintenance for 18 years and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You won't see any feminists mention that tho, bunch of hypocritical twonks.
You cannot expect a woman to have an abortion simply because her stance is opposite to the mans. Ultimately, it's her choice. Life's not meant to be fair, deal with it. Men don't carry babies, and some think they can root whoever, however and whenever they want. Smart men would actually make sure they are using condoms and THEIR condoms only, there are women out their that would do ANYTHING to trap a guy. Know the person you are sleeping with, be sure about their stance on abortion. If you are going to have a one night stand with a complete stranger to who's background you have no idea about, you deserve whatever consequences you might get from it.
You have a say in the matter, but that's basically all you've got. And don't emotional blackmail someone, regardless of what the situation is you can permanently damage someone. The mistake you both made might hurt, but it's not right to transfer your hurt onto her because of it. This happened to a friend of mine and she was damaged for years because of it. No, it wasn't her boyfriend, he was supportive it was more a friend.
You have a say in the matter, but that's basically all you've got. And don't emotional blackmail someone, regardless of what the situation is you can permanently damage someone. The mistake you both made might hurt, but it's not right to transfer your hurt onto her because of it. This happened to a friend of mine and she was damaged for years because of it. No, it wasn't her boyfriend, he was supportive it was more a friend.
If a man wants her to abort and she won't, he shouldn't be legally required to pay child support (or at least not as much.) But it is ultimately up to the woman; it's her body.
Great in theory but what about defective condoms, like all things mass produced there will be some quality control issues, and een thne they are far from failsafe outside lab conditions i thin kthey fall to 95%ish, of course tahts not the only factor ttom etc all have a role to play. But if your condoms fail do you really deserve an 18 year (minimum) responsibility?MelziGurl said:
A say yes, but the final say should be the women's because there the ones carrying it inside their body.
True, I didn't think of defective ones. But it's still a risk you're taking. That's why I said, you should know the person you are sleeping with or at least where they stand, rather than a stranger you know nothing about. I made it a point to let my boyfriend knows 3 years ago when we started going out that I would never abort. Luckily he shares my view, but mainly because of his religion.Epitome said:
A woman is the one deciding if the baby will be kept, the father should have the choice to not be involved if the conception was by accident. I'm not trying to be insensitive, but if a guy accidentally impregnated someone through a broken condom, you can't force him to be the father. But if it was on purpose, its his own fault if he's getting cold feet. He decided before, no backing out now.
I'm astounded by this poll. Really. It's the epitome of arrogance to tell a woman what she should do with her body. No, the man has absolutely no say in the matter. I believe the couple should try to reach a consensus together, but ultimately it's her body, her decision.
I've actually thougth of your sugegstion before (man says no, woman says yes, man doesn't legaly have to be father) and it's seems quite smart to me.
It would be pretty sick (sick in a bad way) if women culd be forced to haev abortions cause the man said so.
I'm just waiting for the male birth control pill to come, and hope/pray that my girlfriend doesn't forget hers untill then.
It would be pretty sick (sick in a bad way) if women culd be forced to haev abortions cause the man said so.
I'm just waiting for the male birth control pill to come, and hope/pray that my girlfriend doesn't forget hers untill then.
My fuck buddy and I had a scare recently(well more accurately she miscarried)but I can tell you that was scary enough as it is. She didn't even realise she was pregnant until she miscarried. She wanted to keep the baby, but(and I would never say this to her of course)I was kinda "glad" the baby miscarried, not in a selfish way but in a "I'm barely old enough, nor financially secure enough" to bring up a kid kind of way. I don't even know if I want kids really, so having that just piled on me would've been a fucking shock to the system.
OT though, I think the guy should have some say in the matter if they want the woman to have an abortion, but like avykins said I would be happy if I had no connection to the kid once it's born, the mother would have what she wants, I would have what I want. Whether the relationship the two are in at the time would last past the baby being born is another topic.
OT though, I think the guy should have some say in the matter if they want the woman to have an abortion, but like avykins said I would be happy if I had no connection to the kid once it's born, the mother would have what she wants, I would have what I want. Whether the relationship the two are in at the time would last past the baby being born is another topic.
The man should get a say, but the final, absolute decision should lie with the woman.
Exactly what I was going for.Pandalisk said: