Poll: Abortion : Should men get a say?

[Epitome]

You cannot expect a woman to have an abortion simply because her stance is opposite to the mans. Ultimately, it's her choice. Life's not meant to be fair, deal with it. Men don't carry babies, and some think they can root whoever, however and whenever they want. Smart men would actually make sure they are using condoms and THEIR condoms only, there are women out their that would do ANYTHING to trap a guy. Know the person you are sleeping with, be sure about their stance on abortion. If you are going to have a one night stand with a complete stranger to who's background you have no idea about, you deserve whatever consequences you might get from it.

Great in theory but what about defective condoms, like all things mass produced there will be some quality control issues, and een thne they are far from failsafe outside lab conditions i thin kthey fall to 95%ish, of course tahts not the only factor ttom etc all have a role to play. But if your condoms fail do you really deserve an 18 year (minimum) responsibility?

True, I didn't think of defective ones. But it's still a risk you're taking. That's why I said, you should know the person you are sleeping with or at least where they stand, rather than a stranger you know nothing about. I made it a point to let my boyfriend knows 3 years ago when we started going out that I would never abort. Luckily he shares my view, but mainly because of his religion.

See you two are in the position where protocal has been established and you both agree on the course of action, which is great. But imagine for the sake of arguement it happened to you, birth control fails nobdoys to blame just a shit happens situation. Imagine he gets cold feet and wants you to have the abortion (hypothetical i dont wanna cause offence with this) You that have been with him 3 years you must love him, so you must care for his feelings and in this case his fears yes? or is he to blame for chickening out? and if he didnt want it could you knowingly bring a child into the world who is never going to have a biological father, could you fincially support this child without him (again hypothetical). Is it responsible here to ignore the fathers wishes and bring a child into a world that you may not be able to provide for? One last disclaimer i wasnt trying to offend in anyway just painting the situation.

 

[Epitome]

I'm astounded by this poll. Really. It's the epitome of arrogance to tell a woman what she should do with her body. No, the man has absolutely no say in the matter. I believe the couple should try to reach a consensus together, but ultimately it's her body, her decision.

Her body yes, but half his kid, dna half his a biological link to the father, so its not entirely her body.And if is your position that it is her choice no matter what should the father be able to sever legal ties completely if he wishes it?

 

[Jennacide]

For the most part, no. I mean, realistically the father does, but on the whole, NOBODY has the right to make the desicion other than the woman having to make it. Far too many factors can weigh in, and nobody has the right to force thier view on someone else for any reason, not just with abortion.

 

[Leesee]

A woman should have a say about their body. But a man should have a choice weather they would like to be a father too. To me this is sad either way, an abortion or a man choosing not to be a father, but it is a two person choice.
I know a couple guys that a girl has "babied" their way to make him stay. This is disgusting and I believe that the guy should deffently have a choice.

 

[similar.squirrel]

If he does opt to abort, and the woman refuses to, perhaps he shouldn't have to pay child support.
I'm aware that that makes me sound like a douchebag.

 

[Archemetis]

I did when I had to "help" make the decision once...

I realise It's likely pissed someone here off that I've admitted to essentially killing a un-born life.

I'll admit that I didn't think about it that much at the time, I couldn't I wanted to get back to things and forget about it all, the girl who had the abortion had been sleeping with me and six other guys... But I was the one the finger got pointed at. I checked my condoms after sex when I started having it, and it's a trend I've never seen fit to lose track of, So believe me I was weirded out, but when your girlfriend at the time (lying slut that she was/is) tells you she's pregnant, well.. You don't do the upsetting thing and ask "Is it mine?" especially when you think she's faithful... anyway going off topic...

We sat down and discussed our option, we came really close to keeping the child...
We actually liked the idea of a baby, and I love children, don't get me wrong I really want some when I'm eventually ready maturity wise aswell as financially viable...

But we opted for the less popular option, Like I said I tried to ignore it for a long time.

Eventually it just started to really get under my skin at weird times...
Even after I weighed out the odds of it being my child...

But I helped in prematurely ending a life before it's even had time to realise it is one, y'know?

I don't think about it too often now, I've gotten "used to it" I guess...

But I still regret it.
I don't like the idea of any kind of life being in my hands, especially when it was cut so drastically short.

So am I Pro-abortion.

Fuck no.

 

[stone0042]

I'm astounded by this poll. Really. It's the epitome of arrogance to tell a woman what she should do with her body. No, the man has absolutely no say in the matter. I believe the couple should try to reach a consensus together, but ultimately it's her body, her decision.

Her body yes, but half his kid, dna half his a biological link to the father, so its not entirely her body.And if is your position that it is her choice no matter what should the father be able to sever legal ties completely if he wishes it?

I agree with the point Epitome is making here. The court system sees the responsibility of caring for a child as shared equally between the parents, so why should the decision whether or not that responsibility can be met not be shared as well?

 

[Epitome]

If he does opt to abort, and the woman refuses to, perhaps he shouldn't have to pay child support.
I'm aware that that makes me sound like a douchebag.

Maybe if hes doing it to save a buck, but think about it what other methods of pull does he have after asking her to abort it. If he doesnt want to be the father the only other tangibile option (outside assualt and we all agree thats wwrong) is to withhold funds no?

 

[Xaositect]

Men get a say on whether or not they want to be a father? Yeah sure. On whether or not a woman should have a child or not? No.

All that "her body, her choice" thing makes sense to me. Of course, I enjoy turning it around too, meaning that women have to take responsibility for their own actions. If by mistake a women becomes pregnant with a man who did not want it, yet she decides she does want it now, shes on her own as far as Im concerned.

Also under normal circumstances when I dont feel the need to bother about this issue, I also use the "your body, your choice" line to basically backup up a "feck off, its not my problem, so I couldnt care less" approach. But that?s mainly because this kind of problem has never been an issue for me, and I aim to keep it that way leading a kidless, and fairly womanless life.

So yeah, Im all for women making the decision alone, both because its their body and their responsibility not a mans if anything fucks up.

 

[The Bandit]

I'm astounded by this poll. Really. It's the epitome of arrogance to tell a woman what she should do with her body. No, the man has absolutely no say in the matter. I believe the couple should try to reach a consensus together, but ultimately it's her body, her decision.

Her body yes, but half his kid, dna half his a biological link to the father, so its not entirely her body.And if is your position that it is her choice no matter what should the father be able to sever legal ties completely if he wishes it?

Absolutely. If she gets pregnant, and he says "look, I don't want this kid" and she says "tough shit" then he shouldn't have to put up with it. He's not enslaving her to some financial doom. If she's against abortion, put him up for adoption.

 

[WhackySacky]

If its a one night stand and the guy opts for abortion and the girl wants to keep it she shouldnt be able to make him stay around

 

[Agent Larkin]

The man should have on opinion on the matter yes. But the decision is ultimately the womans.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

He should be able to have a say in the abortion, since he's the father. If they really care for each other they have to respect each other's opinion's.

I knew you had a senstitive side, you big softie.

 

[stone0042]

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That secret vasectomy link just made my day

 

[Archemetis]

I did when I had to "help" make the decision once...

I realise It's likely pissed someone here off that I've admitted to essentially killing a un-born life.

I'll admit that I didn't think about it that much at the time, I couldn't I wanted to get back to things and forget about it all, the girl who had the abortion had been sleeping with me and six other guys... But I was the one the finger got pointed at. I checked my condoms after sex when I started having it, and it's a trend I've never seen fit to lose track of, So believe me I was weirded out, but when your girlfriend at the time (lying slut that she was/is) tells you she's pregnant, well.. You don't do the upsetting thing and ask "Is it mine?" especially when you think she's faithful... anyway going off topic...

We sat down and discussed our option, we came really close to keeping the child...
We actually liked the idea of a baby, and I love children, don't get me wrong I really want some when I'm eventually ready maturity wise aswell as financially viable...

But we opted for the less popular option, Like I said I tried to ignore it for a long time.

Eventually it just started to really get under my skin at weird times...
Even after I weighed out the odds of it being my child...

But I helped in prematurely ending a life before it's even had time to realise it is one, y'know?

I don't think about it too often now, I've gotten "used to it" I guess...

But I still regret it.
I don't like the idea of any kind of life being in my hands, especially when it was cut so drastically short.

So am I Pro-abortion.

Fuck no.

If it was never born, it doesn't have any way of knowing it was never born. You do understand that, right? You can relax--there's no soul. No little ghost-baby is going to piss on your bleeding corpse in Hell over this, or whatever the religious fanatics would have everyone else believe. You prevented the child of a worthless, lying slut from being born into what would in all likelihood have probably been a dysfunctional family and a life of promiscuity and dishonesty--i.e. one just like her mother's. That's a good deed, sir, and I, for one, applaud you for it.

I know what you mean, about it being undeveloped and unborn so it's not "tehnically a life" and everything.

But I had to weigh out the pros and cons, and as I said I love kids, and I'd love some of my own.

So when I was deciding whether or not to "get rid" There was a kid there for a little while...
It's kinda stupid, I know.

 

[Epitome]

I'm astounded by this poll. Really. It's the epitome of arrogance to tell a woman what she should do with her body. No, the man has absolutely no say in the matter. I believe the couple should try to reach a consensus together, but ultimately it's her body, her decision.

Her body yes, but half his kid, dna half his a biological link to the father, so its not entirely her body.And if is your position that it is her choice no matter what should the father be able to sever legal ties completely if he wishes it?

Absolutely. If she gets pregnant, and he says "look, I don't want this kid" and she says "tough shit" then he shouldn't have to put up with it. He's not enslaving her to some financial doom. If she's against abortion, put him up for adoption.

Adoptions always seemed cruel to me though, you hear teh occasional horror story of foster kids who have the shittest run of things? Could you be hapy knowing you may have condemened your child to that and never be able to check in?

 

[A Pious Cultist]

A woman is the one deciding if the baby will be kept, the father should have the choice to not be involved if the conception was by accident. I'm not trying to be insensitive, but if a guy accidentally impregnated someone through a broken condom, you can't force him to be the father. But if it was on purpose, its his own fault if he's getting cold feet. He decided before, no backing out now.

I disagree, there are always risks, people should be aware of that. However if the girl is bat-shit crazy and has cut up the condom or fished it out of the bin (I'm sure we've all heard the scare stories) then he should be able to choose to not have to pay anything or to be listed as the baby's father.