Poll: Abortion : Should men get a say?

[Rimefrost]

My friends have recently had an argument over something like this. Most of the girls I know want it to be a women-only decision while the guys I know are kind of divided. I do feel I have to vote the case by case option, because in the instance of rape, it should be a women-only decision, while if it's a couple then the child in question is just as much the man's as it is the women's.

 

[Kiutu]

Some men want to be fathers, not all men run from fatherhood, even on accident, most of you assume all men hate the idea of having kids.

 

[Seydaman]

if i dont want a child i shouldn't be forced to have a child

 

[Crimsane]

Why wouldn't he get an almost equal say? Yeah, it's her body for the first nine months, but the ~eighteen years after birth are on the father as well.

 

[JaredXE]

And in the case where the man wants the abortion: he had sex with a woman who didn't like abortions, and he either knew that or hadn't bothered to check. He knew the risks, and he can stop whining about the results.

Pssst....Women lie.

Or to say it in a nicer way: sometimes a person can change their minds when confronted with such an awesome example of nature at play.


I fully believe that a man should have a legal right/alternative/say in whether or not he is to be a father. It will never happen, but I think he should be able to say "No, I told you I don't want one and I won't let you force this on me either."

Remember kids: it may take two to make a baby, but it only takes one selfish person to carry it to term.

 

[Xaositect]

My friends have recently had an argument over something like this. Most of the girls I know want it to be a women-only decision while the guys I know are kind of divided. I do feel I have to vote the case by case option, because in the instance of rape, it should be a women-only decision, while if it's a couple then the child in question is just as much the man's as it is the women's.

I think its about the fact that this baby gestates inside said women for a good deal of months giving her the right to have the final say. Like I said, I think that means on the flip side, men having "no right" to have a say on the issue means they should have an easier "right" to walk away from the whole thing untouched. Otherwise women have all the say on the issue, and at the same time can rope someone in on it that was against it from the beginning. Their body, their choice. Their life, their choice.

 

[mkg]

If a woman can take a man to court and have his paycheck forcefully garnished by the state for child support, he should also have an opinion about abortion if he is the biological father. Although I would say it would apply more to preventing the woman from having it than relieving him of responsibility for the child, too many dirtbags out there for that ever to work properly.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

A woman is the one deciding if the baby will be kept, the father should have the choice to not be involved if the conception was by accident. I'm not trying to be insensitive, but if a guy accidentally impregnated someone through a broken condom, you can't force him to be the father. But if it was on purpose, its his own fault if he's getting cold feet. He decided before, no backing out now.

I disagree, there are always risks, people should be aware of that. However if the girl is bat-shit crazy and has cut up the condom or fished it out of the bin (I'm sure we've all heard the scare stories) then he should be able to choose to not have to pay anything or to be listed as the baby's father.

That's what condoms are for, they're supposed to be for protection. If a guy puts on a condom, he's not saying "There's a 97% chance that I don't want to be a father". A condom is like an object for anti-commitment, saying to the girl "I don't want to be a father". And she should understand that. Condoms and pills and stuff are supposed to make it possible to have sex without being a father. If everyone thought "Oh, there might be a risk, and I have to be a father in that case" there would be a lot less sex in the world. I know that if I had a girlfriend who got pregnant even after we used a condom, she should understand that I don't want to or am not ready to be a father. (sorry if it got a bit ranty)

 

[Seydaman]

weather to have a baby or not? womens choice, weather to stay involved with said child? mans decision

 

[Epitome]

My friends have recently had an argument over something like this. Most of the girls I know want it to be a women-only decision while the guys I know are kind of divided. I do feel I have to vote the case by case option, because in the instance of rape, it should be a women-only decision, while if it's a couple then the child in question is just as much the man's as it is the women's.

If its rape the fathers hardly gonna show up and lay claim to the, unlikely but i suppose all eventualities must be accounted for, i agree in this case that the woman should have total say, but you would have problems with accusations of rape from women who wanted to keep the child. now i want rapist to have their balls removed and sent to general population in teh penal system with nothing but an empty jar of ky. But i feel bad for the guys who get accused of rape by woemn for whatever reason as your rep never gets back from that. So imagine woman finds out shes pregnant before man (likely), and comes "forward" and says she was raped, so as to in her mind protect her unborn son/daughter from the father who she would know would want it terminated. How do we prevent this?

 

[Sparcrypt]

I think if the man doesnt want the child and the women does, she should lose any right to child support. That said, he should lose right to custody as well.

I don't like women being able to go 'It's my body it has nothing to do with you!' followed by 'oh and I'll take half your assets for the next 18 years'.

If they make the choice to keep their child without the fathers support then good for them.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Until men can go through the physical and physiological changes involved in carrying a pregnancy to term, no, the final say must always be with the person whose body is being used for life support.

 

[Zand88]

My opinions are more fascist.

If it was an accident, and the guy doesn't want to raise a child, he shouldn't be able to tell her to get an abortion.. but he shouldn't be forced to pay for it or raise it, either. If the girl so chooses to keep it, she can raise it herself. Kinda' like how people who vote against abortion should have to adopt an abandoned child with each vote.

But, I also think some people should be forced to have an abortion, too. Or at least get their tubes tied/vasectomy. Teenagers or the impoverished, or those too dumb or irresponsible to raise a child. We have too many kids in the world, that aren't wanted, or are neglected. There are so many people who want every child to be born, but so few that are actually willing to raise them.

 

[Xaositect]

I remember getting into an argument with a bunch of feminazi's on this issue once. I remember it was because they only saw poor defenseless pregnant women being left alone without any unwilling man to sap cash off of with my suggestion. So much for "equality". Its all fine and dandy when they were screaming about womens rights over their bodies, but when it comes to not allowing someone to completely screw with your life, and said soon-to-be-screwed person happens to be a man, it somehow becomes unfair on women.

I think its clear with all the mothers deliberately and repeatedly claiming benefits from the government where I live that the "but what if deadbeat fathers abuse it" excuse isnt going to cut it. Weve already got deadbeat mothers abusing stuff, so its the choice between two evils, only only is more fair equal than the other, making it the lesser evil.

 

[Epitome]

My opinions are more fascist.

If it was an accident, and the guy doesn't want to raise a child, he shouldn't be able to tell her to get an abortion.. but he shouldn't be forced to pay for it or raise it, either. If the girl so chooses to keep it, she can raise it herself. Kinda' like how people who vote against abortion should have to adopt an abandoned child with each vote.

But, I also think some people should be forced to have an abortion, too. Or at least get their tubes tied/vasectomy. Teenagers or the impoverished, or those too dumb or irresponsible to raise a child. We have too many kids in the world, that aren't wanted or are neglected. Everyone wants these kids to be born, but so few people are actually willing to raise them.

While i maight not be as eh "Heil Hitler" with my beliefs i still think its a crime that you need a licence for a dog but not a child. Now i get that children are one of the things that humans technically have a birthright to ... but birthrates are much higher in impoverished ares of the world, take parts of Africa and such where average can be as high as 6 children be woman because of high infant mortality. I mean who hasnt seen one of those Concern ads and not wanted to bitchslap the mother for daring to give birth to a child thas gonna live its short live in utter destitution?

 

[Archemetis]

I know what you mean, about it being undeveloped and unborn so it's not "tehnically a life" and everything.

But I had to weigh out the pros and cons, and as I said I love kids, and I'd love some of my own.

So when I was deciding whether or not to "get rid" There was a kid there for a little while...
It's kinda stupid, I know.

It's understandable, I mean--I'm just saying "ya done good", which I'm sure isn't something you've heard often over this.

As for the kids you want to have, though...why would they have to be yours? Why not just adopt?

While it is a valid question and I'm not one of these people who thinks they'd be generally unfeeling towards a child that isn't my own, I'd honestly just prefer it if I could just have my own kids it's really something that spurred on by watching my older brother with his daughter, growing up I never once heard of my brother even having any interest ni children, admittedly I never heard much of anything about my brother, we're two completely seperate people and our lifestyles are so different that we just never talked about common ground between us.

But anyway, when my Neice was born he just took the whole parenting thing so well, and the bond he has with her is incredible.

And regardless of what I said at first, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried a little about not having that inherent bond with a child that isn't mine.

I really just look forward to the first time my future child runs up to me while I'm working on something to show me a picture he's scribbled out...

I'm a soppy git for stuff lke that.

But if kids of my own is an option i find myself stripped of when I'm older, I'll definately adopt.

Although saying all this, I'm not in any kind of rush at the moment and likely I'll be holding out for a while.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

To all the people saying its her body, she can do whatever the fuck she wants with it. No, you're wrong. Its her body, with something of mine in it.

In my opinion, within the first month of a pregnancy there should be made a clear choice about what each party wants. If the man doesn't wish to, and the women does then the man should be able to come to an agreement that the man isn't responsible if she wishes to keep it. He would be able to choose how much she can say about the true father and such.

If after a month the father hasn't made his views on the matter aware he should be held responsible in full.