Poll: Abortion- What's your position and why?

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DrDeath3191

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I don't believe that it is right, and I don't believe it should be legal. People often say that it's a woman's body, and therefore her right to kill the child in her womb. I disagree. That thing is a person, with it's own seperate DNA and rights.
 

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TehCookie said:
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Abortion is for sick bastards that make money out of murder. Its disgusting how many people support it blindly because they see it as a right. Nobody has the right to tell someone should die because of his/her own mistake.
Killing fetuses is better than killing babies in my eyes. The dead fetus can go towards stem cell research and the parent won't go to jail for killing the baby or child abuse.
I'd rather not kill neither of them.
 

Lonan

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WAY too many people in the world right now. The earth can sustain about 2 billion. The best place to start is to not add to the total, and that's just the starting point. Too many people emitting too much greenhoues gases (I'll mention it's emitted indirectly, in case the detail police monitoring the thread) reducing water supplies that are already being used more than they can be replenished. Frankly, it should probably be illegal to reproduce, and that would only be the beginning of preventing low water resouces, minus the polluted water from the total amount. And people are really bitching about a woman choosing to abort an organism the size of a grain of rice before it can add to the little problem that there are MORE THAN 3 TIMES TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE WORLD. Anti-abortionists live in the most decadent society in the history of humanity. And they're making life even worse for those who already live in extreme poverty. Good Lord help us.
 

ZeroMachine

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NoMoreSanity said:
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This will not turn out well.

I believe Abortion should be open for all, as I think a Fetus isn't a living thing.

*Prepares to be flamed*
Put away your flame shield- judging by the polls, you're safe.

I, however, am probably not, as I disagree with you.
Ah, sorry than.

Macgyvercas said:
Actually, there are five requirements for life and a fetus meets all five:

1) Grow & develop
2) Consume resources
3) Adult stage must be able to reproduce (from a genetic standpoint, a fetus is human)
4) Consist of cells
5) Must respond to stimuli
Where do these requirements come from? It's not alive, it can't feel emotions and has no emotional connections, and it isn't intelligent.
Um... bacteria. Viruses. Several parasites and insects. Even plants, if you want to get really technical. Those are all living things. They aren't intelligent (unless you count instinct as intelligence) they cannot feel emotions and they cannot creat emotional connections.

Now, I do believe you're entitled to your opinion of abortion being ok, but a fetus is a living thing, no two ways about it. Not only is it a living thing, but it's a living thing with potential to surpass the living thing it's growing inside of, be it from intelligence, strength, or some other thing.

My stance on it? It's not my place to decide for other people, even though I disagree with it. But, I refuse to get into any discussion about it (situations like this being exceptions).

I'm not meaning to insult you or anything, Sanity, but it's just the truth. Whether something is alive or not is not an opinion, it's a fact, and a fetus is a living thing, albeit in a very primitive, early stage of life.
 

DazBurger

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Tough for me to say. It's more of a "Different Case, Different Stance" deal for me.

For instance: A woman is raped. Does she not have the right to abort what wasn't hers to begin with?

On the other hand: A promiscuous woman sleeps around alot, and gets pregnant. For being careless, I don't feel a fetus has the right to die.
Since when has life become sacred?..

Honestly... When!?
 

cobra_ky

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Other. life doesn't begin at conception. i'm not sure at what stage of brain development life DOES begin at, but it's definitely before the third trimester. up until that point, i don't care what happens to the fetus, and 3-4 months should be enough time to decide what you want to do with it. i have no problem with banning elective late-term abortions. obviously the mother's health always comes first and foremost.

robert632 said:
fuck morality choices

O.T fuck making abortion illeagal, that's like making tobacco illeagal, it would destroy to much business at this point.
by that logic, we never should have gotten rid of slavery.
 

LCP

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NoMoreSanity said:
Where do these requirements come from? It's not alive, it can't feel emotions and has no emotional connections, and it isn't intelligent.

Apparently neither do you.

where do you deduce that a an unborn baby cant do any of those things, because he can't talk?
 

lacktheknack

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NoMoreSanity said:
Macgyvercas said:
Actually, there are five requirements for life and a fetus meets all five:

1) Grow & develop
2) Consume resources
3) Adult stage must be able to reproduce (from a genetic standpoint, a fetus is human)
4) Consist of cells
5) Must respond to stimuli
Where do these requirements come from? It's not alive, it can't feel emotions and has no emotional connections, and it isn't intelligent.
Now you're just assuming. I read in a magazine recently about a fetus that had been injured when the mother was injured. Some doctor... I can't remember his name (I wish I had the magazine...) removed the fetus, fixed it's spine, stitched it up, then put it back in the womb. The fetus then reached back out and grabbed the doctor's finger, held it for a moment, then let go.

Now sure, it's not THAT impressive, and it could just be chance that that happened, but it makes me feel that fetuses are capable of basic thought and emotion.
 

DazBurger

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LCP said:
Macgyvercas said:
Where do these requirements come from? It's not alive, it can't feel emotions and has no emotional connections, and it isn't intelligent.
Apparently neither do you.

where do you deduce that a an unborn baby cant do any of those things, because he can't talk?
Well... Honestly I dont see much difference between an appendix or an unborn fetus.


But hey.. Im also known to be a hippocrite^^
 

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i'm a supporter of that breeder's licence idea that was thought up a while back.

i think that you should need this licence in order to have a child, thanks to the massive overpopulation, and large amount of idiots in the world.

i think there are a few others here with this view, although i cant recall any of their names.
 

Guitarmasterx7

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Pro Choice. If someone doesn't want an abortion they don't have to get one. Anyone who tells me what I can't do if it has nothing to do with them is so far up their own ass they can smell their esophagus.
 

Marble Dragon

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I think that a fetus is alive, and I do think that life is sacred. (In a way, at least.) However, I also think that it's totally up to the woman in choice, and the man if it was an accidental pregnancy as opposed to rape. There are a lot of people who could not provide for a child for whatever reason, and they aren't going to just stand and take it. Many of them will try to get an abortion no matter what the law states, and they risk a lot of personal damage if they go to the wrong place. Careless people don't deserve abortions, in my opinion, but they could just as easily lie. The service shouldn't be provided for them, but it has to be, really.

For the record, I hate abortion. I think it's a terrible thing, and it's awful that we should have to use it at all. However, we've backed ourselves into a corner on this, and we have to give the right to choose.
 

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Guitarmasterx7 said:
Pro Choice. If someone doesn't want an abortion they don't have to get one. Anyone who tells me what I can't do if it has nothing to do with them is so far up their own ass they can smell their esophagus.
Anyone who wants to kill and unborn baby just because they see it as their property like a chair, is a arrogant idiot with his head up his ass.
 

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LCP said:
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Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.
Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.
If you can find me one foetus that has a complaint about being aborted, let me know.

Until then, imagine the child isn't "paying" anything. It doesn't know anything about anything, it is only living vicariously through its mother, has no concept of the world and sure as hell wouldn't give much care to dying before it has its first thoughts.

I don't understand you pro lifers, the kid won't care.
 

Guitarmasterx7

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LCP said:
Guitarmasterx7 said:
Pro Choice. If someone doesn't want an abortion they don't have to get one. Anyone who tells me what I can't do if it has nothing to do with them is so far up their own ass they can smell their esophagus.
Anyone who wants to kill and unborn baby just because they see it as their property like a chair, is a arrogant idiot with his head up his ass.
How's the esophagus smell?
 

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Darkside360 said:
NoMoreSanity said:
This will not turn out well.

I believe Abortion should be open for all, as I think a Fetus isn't a living thing.

*Prepares to be flamed*
Don't know how you can say its not alive when it has a heartbeat.
Well... not that I'm disagreeing with you on the whole "it's alive" thing, but fetuses don't have a hearbeat until they, you know... grow a heart. So that's a moot point, for a time :p
 

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Puzzles said:
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Puzzles said:
Her choice.

Why force another unwanted baby into the world due to a silly accident. The life of an unwanted or resented child can be full of more pain than any abortion can cause.
Ridiculous, It's her mistake and child pays for it? fuck no! If she makes the child's life living hell, then toss her in jail.
If you can find me one foetus that has a complaint about being aborted, let me know.

I don't understand you pro lifers, the kid won't care.
You assume that because he/she can't speak. Let's tape your mouth shut and nail you to a wall.
Oh look you can't talk, lets kill you! you can't say anything against it, that obviously means you don't care!
Stupid reasoning is stupid