Poll: Annoyed much with Left 4 Dead?

[ultimateownage]

I hate my fucking friends, they always invite these retards from a clan their in, all of them in the clan are mic spamming 5 year olds, all 200 of them. Then when I played the game with my proper friends, the ones I don't know in real life, one of them joins and becomes a total jackass. THEN when I was playing with them the same jackass from all the other times thinks its funny to shoot me and incapacitate me then sit there shooting me and healing me for a second then dropping me, then he calls me a dip shit for rage quitting. Bastards.

 

[Nova Tendril]

Nova.

SHUT UP.

WHO CARES if it's a selfish way to look at it?! Just because it's selfish doesn't make it wrong. Just because you say it's wrong doesn't make it so!

The subject has been dropped SO SHUT UP and stop trying to reignite the argument!

Uh, yeah it does. It is wrong because it is selfish. I believe the people who have their reputation ruined because they were not having fun with the game care.

Again, if you want to drop the argument then don't bring up additional points. You can't just make a statement and then prevent people from countering it.

 

[AnGeL.SLayer]

You can get bots to be the humans while you just keep being the infected to up your skills. Granted this takes some effort with scripts and cheats but its worth it in the end I think. Believe it or not the bots are alright on their own, they can see you almost anywhere so you have to be REALLY good to get one up on them. If you want to be big into verses join a l4d group, thats fairly big, and people will ALWAYS be stalking you to play.


^_^

 

[Nox13last]

Uh, yeah it does. It is wrong because it is selfish. I believe the people who have their reputation ruined because they were not having fun with the game care.

*ring ring*

Is that the Messiah Complex I hear?

Quit rebooting arguments. For around five posts, we had a tranquil moment where the discussion was going as intended. Then YOU had to reignite it again.

I have been very patient up until now. I have listen to your side of things and tried to be understanding.

Then it occurred to me that you are something that I will be probated for if I spoke it's noun, particularly some insults to your intelligence and your ability to comprehend.

I have been incredibly patient, but I am fast losing that.

I beg of you. Please, shut up. Let it fricking DIE. If you want, I will renounce everything I say and call it wrong and incorrect. I will give you an Internet cookie from my jar. Just PLEASE let it DIE.

 

[Nova Tendril]

Uh, yeah it does. It is wrong because it is selfish. I believe the people who have their reputation ruined because they were not having fun with the game care.

*ring ring*

Is that the Messiah Complex I hear?

Quit rebooting arguments. For around five posts, we had a tranquil moment where the discussion was going as intended. Then YOU had to reignite it again.

I have been very patient up until now. I have listen to your side of things and tried to be understanding.

Then it occurred to me that you are something that I will be probated for if I spoke it's noun.

Please, shut up. Let it fricking DIE.

No it's not a messiah complex. Were did you get that idea from?

Again, if you want the argument to die then DON'T make additional points. I don't see why we can't have a civil discussion but if you want it to end then just do that.

 

[iJosh]

This was a good game actually. I liked it, Never played the online vs mode alot. Only enough to get some achievements because thats what I do.

Hi my name is josh, I am an achievement whore.

 

[Nox13last]

No it's not a messiah complex. Were did you get that idea from?

You're saying it's wrong because it is selfish, which makes no sense. Selfishness is not wrong. It's frowned upon, but it isn't wrong.

Ok, maybe the term "self-proclaimed moral superiority" would fit you better?

Selfishness or not, it is up to the person using the system. Emp|ty was an invigorating voice, reminding me that I am not the only person who uses this logic, and that I wasn't alone. That, on it's own, is enough to say that your statements are, in themselves, wrong. If you want to call us both social deviants, then by all means, do. But I'm siding with the guy who seems to have a train of logic parallel to my own (in this regard, at least).

You did not answer my previous question, either. Who (apart from you) says that's it's for Ranked only?

The Feedback system is based on preference, and is meant to refine XboxLive and the experience therein. If you don't like someone, you have every right to say so, so the service knows not to match you two up next time, so you BOTH have a better experience.

It occurs to me that if you don't like someone, you should stay away from them. Feedback is a digital means of doing that.

That doesn't sound very selfish to me.

 

[The Rockerfly]

Uh, yeah it does. It is wrong because it is selfish. I believe the people who have their reputation ruined because they were not having fun with the game care.

*ring ring*

Is that the Messiah Complex I hear?

Quit rebooting arguments. For around five posts, we had a tranquil moment where the discussion was going as intended. Then YOU had to reignite it again.

I have been very patient up until now. I have listen to your side of things and tried to be understanding.

Then it occurred to me that you are something that I will be probated for if I spoke it's noun.

Please, shut up. Let it fricking DIE.

No it's not a messiah complex. Were did you get that idea from?

Again, if you want the argument to die then DON'T make additional points. I don't see why we can't have a civil discussion but if you want it to end then just do that.

Or you could leave him alone, you're not going to change his view or opinion, you are just being irritable with your consistent talk of the rep. So what if it provides the person with permanent negative feedback, people do provide good feedback to, it usually balance?s it?s self out over time and the whole purpose of gaming is to have fun. Call me selfish but when I fork out £200 for a console £40 for a game and £40 for gold membership I expect to have fun. Plus you have had a civil discussion and he wants to drop it. So be reasonable and drop it. Now back to the topic at hand

 

[Nova Tendril]

No it's not a messiah complex. Were did you get that idea from?

You're saying it's wrong because it is selfish, which makes no sense. Selfishness is not wrong. It's frowned upon, but it isn't wrong.

Selfishness or not, it is up to the person using the system. Emp|ty was an invigorating voice, reminding me that I am not the only person who uses this logic, and that I wasn't alone. That, on it's own, is enough to say that your statements are, in themselves, wrong.

You did not answer my previous question, either. Who (apart from you) says that's it's for Ranked only?

The Feedback system is based on preference, and is meant to refine XboxLive and the experience therein. If you don't like someone, you have every right to say so, so the service knows not to match you two up next time, so you BOTH have a better experience.

It occurs to me that if you don't like someone, you should stay away from them. Feedback is a digital means of doing that.

That doesn't sound very selfish to me.

Logically it only applies to a ranked game. Think about it, go outside of your own personal mindset. The point of a public game is to have FUN. Both teams should be having FUN. If a player is not having FUN then they should not be forced to stay. If you were supposed to stay even when your gaming experience is absolutely miserable then there would not be an option to disconnect (like in a ranked match of GoW2).

In DoW2 you will not get a disconnect for leaving a public game, however you get one if you leave a ranked game. The reason for this is because public games are for the sake of having FUN.

While someone leaving the game is selfish, you forcing them to stay is also selfish. The difference is that the person who is forced to stay will not leave you negative feedback because you wanted to have fun. However you will give the other player negative feedback because they left to have fun.

The point is this isn't something you can even complain about. The developers designed it so that you can leave the game if you're not having fun. Besides you continue to dodge the fact that you can preform certain actions to prevent this from happening.

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

I think I'm having a hard time relating to any of this, but it's probably just because I don't care if someone quits in Left 4 Dead. If they quit, I'll just say, "oh well," and then wait the 30 seconds it takes for someone else to join in and then go on as if nothing happened.

Moving away from Left 4 Dead for a bit, the one thing I hate about Gears 2 is that I can't quit during public matches. Sure, it solves the problem with people rage quitting, but I can't stand it when I have to put up with terrible, terrible lag, have to exit to the dashboard just so I can get away from it, and then get back on hoping it doesn't happen again.

But, thankfully, laggy matches don't occur that often for me, so it's honestly not that big of a deal. But when it does happen, it's the one thing I hate more than anything.

 

[Nox13last]

The point is this isn't something you can even complain about. The developers designed it so that you can leave the game if you're not having fun. Besides you continue to dodge the fact that you can preform certain actions to prevent this from happening.

I did? Hold on...

Ultimately, it's the person's choice to leave and there is nothing I can do to leave because often I don't even know why. It could be because of the aforesaid team they're shafted onto (but will play as soon, anyway). Or it could be the well-trodden road of this topic that they're being beaten.

In the latter case, what do you propose the opponents do? Dumb their skills down?
You also can't change teams ingame, because the game does that every half-round anyway.

The point is is stopping them from leaving and KNOWING why they're leaving are two completely different things.

And screw your 'logic'. The thing is, and it's been blatant here, is that different people have different logics. You believe it only applies to Ranked and Official matchups. It is your 'logic' that such an official system needs to be used in an official environment (this is it, right? I'm sorry if I have that wrong.) I believe it's to be used all the time, because of the simple fact that it's there.

 

[Fantastico]

Even though I find Left 4 Dead incredibly annoying, I never quite...not even when my allies are purposely killing me repeatedly.

 

[Nova Tendril]

The point is this isn't something you can even complain about. The developers designed it so that you can leave the game if you're not having fun. Besides you continue to dodge the fact that you can preform certain actions to prevent this from happening.

I did? Hold on...

Ultimately, it's the person's choice to leave and there is nothing I can do to leave because often I don't even know why. It could be because of the aforesaid team they're shafted onto (but will play as soon, anyway). Or it could be the well-trodden road of this topic that they're being beaten.

In the latter case, what do you propose the opponents do? Dumb their skills down?
You also can't change teams ingame, because the game does that every half-round anyway.

The point is is stopping them from leaving and KNOWING why they're leaving are two completely different things.

And screw your 'logic'. The thing is, and it's been blatant here, is that different people have different logics. You believe it only applies to Ranked and Official matchups. It is your 'logic' that such an official system needs to be used in an official environment (this is it, right? I'm sorry if I have that wrong.) I believe it's to be used all the time, because of the simple fact that it's there.

You could set it up so that some of your friends are on infected while other are on survivors. That way you always have a balance between human players and bots. It would also discourage people from leaving if your friends stay.

Also the difference between my logic and your logic is that mine doesn't hinder the ability of other players to have fun.

At this point I'm done. If you want to end the argument then fine but if you want to address my other points than go ahead.

 

[spuddyt]

I didn't even see a point to play this game online. Shooting hordes of zombies gets old very fast for me, even if it requires some tactic.

its not much different from asking why play call of duty online, shooting humans just gets old pretty quick, versus mode in l4d is virtually no different

I don't play CoD either. It seems more complex and strategy requiring, though.

Its different weapons, thats it really

 

[Deriaz]

For a game that touts teamwork and communication, there are sure as hell a lot of people who don't have microphones.

I have a microphone, and I refuse to use it in random games. I stick around, and I follow orders (If I can hear the player. If they're whispering, then I let them know they're too quiet), and I play to a general level of my ability, given the router troubles I have where I freeze for 2 seconds every minute or so.

The way that sentence is worded, though, along with the rest of the paragraph makes me think you are saying all people without microphones are stupid. I'll admit right now that I'm extremely shy in voice communication in anything (yes, that includes talking over a simple phone). I'd rather avoid it if I can. Phone calls, I obviously can't, but if I can avoid having to try to communicate with people who shout orders like Left 4 Dead is srs bizness, I'm going to.

There are idiots all over the game, myself included sometimes. There have been plenty of times where I shoot by reflex at the big zombie in front of me, only to realize it's a Boomer, for example. Microphone-less people aren't the only ones who make incredible mistakes, though.

But I don't leave the game until it's the finale, if I can help it. Emergencies? I'm leaving; I couldn't care less if you think I'm rage-quitting or what. But being polite comes at an equal price to my entertainment; I'll stick through it with a bad team, but if we're losing and players on both sides of the game are being stupid/rude/whatever, I'm out once the finale rolls around. (Usually, by then, a majority of games have a clear winner, as well.)

 

[L33tsauce_Marty]

Eh, your playing on the 360 right? Well I'll try to say this as nicely as possible...the 360 community BLOWS.

 

[Devilpapaya]

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IT ONLY MEANS YOU'LL, AND ONLY YOU'LL, BE LESS LIKELY TO PLAY WITH THEM IN FUTURE

THE SOONER YOU TWO GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, THE HAPPIER EVERYONE WILL BE.

Oh crap guys, he's typing in caps, he must be pissed.

but seriously, this argument is going no where. Its just a giant game of he said she said. If one of you really wants to end the argument, someones gonna have to provide some proof. AKA post a link to an xbox live page that explains how the rating system works. Otherwise, I suggest both of you take a few deep breaths, and remember, its just a game, and an online "rating" doesn't matter in the least, no matter how much someone is abusing it.

 

[CRAVE CASE 55]

i hate people who start getting cocky when they save yur ass once

 

[edinflames]

If you think people leave because you and your friends choose infected then choose human instead.

Problem solved.

Yeah this is the best thing to do.

When my friends and I start a versus game we always go human so that we can fill the server.

Generally i've noticed that the players who choose to be human from the start are the better players anyway.

Eh, your playing on the 360 right? Well I'll try to say this as nicely as possible...the 360 community BLOWS.

There are arseholes in the PC L4D community too, but judging from my experience on my friend's Xbox (and the observations made by others) 90% of the 360 community are screaming brat children from the USA (endlessly shouting "fag, fag, fag" like members of the Westboro Baptist church) and imo there is nobody more likely to ragequit when things don't go their way than screaming brat children from the USA (probably fat too).

 

[Hexadecimal16]

Lol @ "IT'S YOUR DUTY TO KEEP PLAYING THE GAME" and Nox in general. I rarely leave a L4D game, but if I do it's for a good reason. If my team is utter shit and refuses to stick together/team kills/generally acts like an idiot, I'm gone. If I have something important to do, I'm gone. I'll send a message to whoever started the game saying something like "sorry dude, gotta go" but I'll be damned if I'm going to stay in a game if I have something to attend to or if I'm just flat out not enjoying myself.

You really need to quit acting like a child about it. No one is obligated to stay in a game, period. Sure it's the polite thing to do, but you act like every time you join a game there is some revered oath that must be followed. There isn't. 9 times out of 10 someone joins less than 5 minutes after a person leaves so I don't see what the big deal is.