Poll: Are "Gamer Girls" shooting themselves in the foot?

[TundraStalax]

I'm gonna start calling myself a gamer boi after reading this thread

I honestly think G-Man is a much better, not to mention cooler title, don't you agree?

 

[Lisolet]

You know what we need? A lot less "annoying girls are bad" and "annoying boys are bad" and a lot more annoying people are bad. Stop drawing imaginary lines that are impossible not to cross and stop putting us in gender camps. We're all human beings. Some of us are great, some of us suck, we all do it wrong sometimes and we're all fucking brilliant. You don't like how someone plays a game? Don't play with them, you don't have to justify your choice, just move on.

Sorry, I'm tired and should be asleep. I usually avoid these "what's wrong with girls" threads but tonight I was weak.

 

[Lem0nade Inlay]

Yes, I like girls.
Wait, what was the question?

Oh right, yeah I agree with what you're saying. It's like if a 'girl gamer' went:
"u just got pwnt by a guurrll lol!"
"can i see ur tits" << Horny teenager
"OMG TREAT ME WITH RESPECT CANT I JUST FIT IN!"

If you don't want to get hit on, don't announce to everyone that you're a girl gamer. I mean, I know that sort of sounds unfair, but I mean as Divided Unity said, guys don't go around saying "YOU JUST GOT OWNED BY A BOY HAHA"

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

There are plenty of idiots in this world... some of them are female gamers I suppose. I like to see both genders playing games, but I do get tired of hearing bitchy people making a big deal of themselves in gaming communities( xbox live, steam, psn, etc)

 

[DividedUnity]

I'm gonna start calling myself a gamer boi after reading this thread

You should check the group in the first footnote of my original post. Use some of their stuff

All that makes me happy are my male friends who use that knowledge to their advantage, play female avatars with chicky names, and act flirty to get free items.
Karma? Yum. I'll take a helping of that.

Oh god. It really doesn't show gamers in a true light when that tactic still works.

Yes, I believe "Gamer girls" are shooting themselves in the foot head foot. To me, gamer girls are girls who play videogames because they want boys to fawn over the fact that they play videogames, not because they truly enjoy it. And to be perfectly honest, I hate them with a passion because they make girls who play videogames look bad. I'm a girl, but I never make it a point to hide my gender or expect anyone to treat me differently because of it, so encountering girls who expect guys to pamper them and treat them special because they have two X chromosomes and happen to know how to use an XBox controller infuriates me to no end. It also reminds me why I have so few girl friends. It's just sad to think of how many vapid, materialistic whores are out there, and how they have to invade one of the last havens for intelligent females to satiate their need for attention and ruin the experience for so many gamers. And honestly, if they get harassed or made fun of, it's their fault for broadcasting their gender and acting like a ***** expecting to be treated like a queen.

Thanks for posting, good to get some views from a female perspective. I have had first hand experience with the girls who do that to get money or items. Not to mention the guys who pretend to be women to do it

 

[FaithorFire]

They should be required to make themselves known so they can be immediately removed from the interwebz and put back in the kitchen*


*pointless asshole-ism, don't be offended

 

[Swarley]

I hate girl gamers that use the fact that they're female to get everyone to do what they want.

Ever play TF2 with a girl on the team using her mic? I guarantee 2-3 people will go medic in order to heal her, no matter what class she is.

 

[Discord]

To be honest I only recently played with girl gamers (well 2 to be exact) there hard to fine but that might just be me. Both times did not go so well. The one time in a MW2 match everyone was calling each other names; the usual stupid stuff on Xbox Live and she was in the middle of it calling people everyword in the book until someone said, "Your alittle funny Cu**"

And then... the angry and screaming started, she threating to report everyone, "Typical men" comments were said and she left.

*sigh*

I'm not letting this experence soil how all girl gamers act online but with online play comes the stupid comments, racist remarks and XBOX Live Thugs and those things combined, well can come from anyone men or women it just seems being female online attracts it or either amplify's it.

But I try not to add to it and be polite to all; it's the only thing I can do besides Mass Mute.

 

[MisterShine]

That said, I disagree that there is a wrong way about getting equality.

Alright, that comment of mine was dumb. There are certainly many bad ways of going about getting equality.


I'll try and sum up my point thusly:
The two of you are trying to say that because a certain percentage of a certain group acts stupidly, that that group shouldn't complain when they receive large amounts of flak because some number of them act in that manner. My point is that unless the individual is engaged in these acts of stupidity and then claims that it is unfair that they're being harassed for it, yes that is hypocrisy and should be called out as such. However, girls do not receive flak for acting "flirty" or being a part of the "beautiful gamers" club, they get flak for simply being female, far far more intensely than any other group of gamer. Even black gamers, and believe me I get a lot of shit for just saying wassup guys. You wouldn't believe my old xbox live inbox if I showed it to you.

Those who act out the stereotype are the ones that cause the hate to continue. In my opinion, it also causes additional ire from people within the demographic for the people acting so stereotypically. I think Bill Cosby said something of the like at one point.

I disagree with you here. It's fine to be scornful of people who present this type of behavior, it isn't fine just because someone happens to belong to the same group. The onus is entirely on the person doing the hating, and saying otherwise makes the problem worse.

 

[DividedUnity]

Hmm apparently more people believe there are no girls on the internet than "Gamer gurls" are right

I hate girl gamers that use the fact that they're female to get everyone to do what they want.

Ever play TF2 with a girl on the team using her mic? I guarantee 2-3 people will go medic in order to heal her, no matter what class she is.

Yes. White-Knighting is common. Lot's of stuff along the lines of "Don't worry I'll protect you"

 

[Betancore]

No I'm not saying that in any way that this behaviour from men should be condoned and I do not think anyone should be treated like shit. I was stating the stupidity of taking actions then complaining when there are consequences which is what they are doing. They seperate themselves from the crowd then complain when they are targeted.

Are you trying to say that if girls don't want to suffer harassment then we shouldn't make our gender known at all? When we 'separate ourselves from the crowd' we shouldn't have to be treated differently, even poorly. Sure, some girls want free loot and all, but not all do. Some want to play a good game, but they shouldn't need to hide their gender for that. The problem here is more the maturity levels of everyone else who treats gamers who happen to be female differently. Sorry to shift the blame. Ideally, online, we'd be able to game and regardless of gender, be treated equally by others. However, that being said, that's just the ideal - in reality, I'd have to agree that for now, girls shouldn't complain too much if they distinguish themselves as being female and then get crap about it. It shouldn't happen, but it does, and throwing a tantrum about it won't help.

And all the girls who shove their gender in everyone's face, from armour choice to username, I can't say they don't sometimes deserve it. It's one thing to be female and not have to hide it, and another to be female and then broadcast it to the world. I don't know of any male gamers who do this, so why should female gamers do it? If we want equality then we shouldn't have double standards.

 

[AbsoluteVirtue18]

Oh, you mean like when a girl says before a game starts that she wants to be treated like "one of the guys", then calls you sexist when you beat her, you know, like you would "one of the guys?"

Yeah, I'd say they are.

 

[Lizmichi]

As a girl gamer I don't really care abut being hit on in games. I know it will happen and I know how to ignore it. Yes, when I was in wow I told guildies I was a girl just so it wouldn't be a surprise in vent when they heard my voice. As for out of guild yea I got hit on still because well my name is Lizmichi, that's a dead give away. Yes I think other girl gamers shoot them selves in the foot with this. Me, if I want to be treated equally I work my ass off to be good at what I play. If I get shit I just do nothing.
As for expecting special treatment because I'm a girl? No fucking way. I will out right refuse any help because of my gender, the only fellow gamers I get to help me are friends and that's it. To me doing that just means you suck at games. Girl gamers like that I have a name for "Attestation Whores"

 

[Miles Tormani]

I'll try and sum up my point thusly:
The two of you are trying to say that because a certain percentage of a certain group acts stupidly, that that group shouldn't complain when they receive large amounts of flak because some number of them act in that manner. My point is that unless the individual is engaged in these acts of stupidity and then claims that it is unfair that they're being harassed for it, yes that is hypocrisy and should be called out as such. However, girls do not receive flak for acting "flirty" or being a part of the "beautiful gamers" club, they get flak for simply being female, far far more intensely than any other group of gamer. Even black gamers, and believe me I get a lot of shit for just saying wassup guys. You wouldn't believe my old xbox live inbox if I showed it to you.

Yes I would believe your old Xbox Live inbox. If I sound even slightly gay over the microphone, I get no end to the shit for the entire game. It makes those games completely unplayable. I know exactly what the bullshit is, because I've been on the receiving end. Frankly, I'm more inclined to blame the people who talk with deliberate lisps and say everything is so "cuuuute" for perpetrating the stereotype than the people who react to it.

The part that I put in bold for your quote? I never, once, ever, agreed with that. I absolutely hate that. And I hate the people who act like the part of your post that I put in italics, because I find that they are one of the main reasons I have to deal with this shit in the first place.

I disagree with you here. It's fine to be scornful of people who present this type of behavior, it isn't fine just because someone happens to belong to the same group. The onus is entirely on the person doing the hating, and saying otherwise makes the problem worse.

Once again, I think you missed my point. You're right. It isn't fine to hate someone just because they belong to the same group as the person who is acting like the tosser. Hating the tosser himself on an individual level is what is perfectly okay, because it's their fault for being a tosser.

I think our difference in opinion stems from who is really perpetrating the issue. You claim it's entirely the fault of the person making the hateful comments in the first place. I claim that's only partially true, and that the person who acts the stereotype is of equal blame. Other than that, I think we're actually seeing eye to eye.

Why are we arguing?

 

[Dfskelleton]

Most of my female friends that I have met haven't been trying anything, but my friends always try to show off for them. I truly don't see what's so special about girls gaming. Sure, most people on PSN and Xbox Live are male, but if someone isn't, everybody in the party freaks out and tries to virtually rape her. Have you seen people try to virtually rape people in video games? It's proof that many people have no lives.

 

[DividedUnity]

No I'm not saying that in any way that this behaviour from men should be condoned and I do not think anyone should be treated like shit. I was stating the stupidity of taking actions then complaining when there are consequences which is what they are doing. They seperate themselves from the crowd then complain when they are targeted.

Are you trying to say that if girls don't want to suffer harassment then we shouldn't make our gender known at all? When we 'separate ourselves from the crowd' we shouldn't have to be treated differently, even poorly. Sure, some girls want free loot and all, but not all do. Some want to play a good game, but they shouldn't need to hide their gender for that. The problem here is more the maturity levels of everyone else who treats gamers who happen to be female differently. Sorry to shift the blame. Ideally, online, we'd be able to game and regardless of gender, be treated equally by others. However, that being said, that's just the ideal - in reality, I'd have to agree that for now, girls shouldn't complain too much if they distinguish themselves as being female and then get crap about it. It shouldn't happen, but it does, and throwing a tantrum about it won't help.

And all the girls who shove their gender in everyone's face, from armour choice to username, I can't say they don't sometimes deserve it. It's one thing to be female and not have to hide it, and another to be female and then broadcast it to the world. I don't know of any male gamers who do this, so why should female gamers do it? If we want equality then we shouldn't have double standards.

No. No where did I say that people who differ themselves from the crowd deserve harrasment. As I said in earlier posts when you seperate yourself from the crowd you have made a choice. Every choice has consequences. My point here is thatif you want to be able to differ yourself from the crowd then go about it the way all girls used to. They would make light of teh fact they are female, initially there may be some teasing but it wears off and they just become one of the team. "Gamer Gurls" shove their gender down everyones throats then get pissy when it bites them in the ass. Sure there are the odd idiots who make kitchen jokes, white knight in matches, and flirt but the mass majority of men are happy to game without even thinking about this if you don't give them other ideas which is what "Gamer gurls" do e.g. flirting with a guy for items, playing into gender stereotypes or trying to use their gender to gain an advantage. Then they complain when guys get the wrong idea and start making comments about them.

I agree with you that ideally everyone should be able to game and not have to be part of the crowd to avoid harrassment though, be a long time before that happens though

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you could read the minds of women who play games. I was going to argue against you, but you clearly know more than I do, oh great penis-owner. I mean, it is pretty obvious that with the invention of voice chat, hiding one's gender on the internet has become difficult, and then of course the idea that one shouldn't have to hide his or her gender comes to mind, but those points have already been defeated, as you, OP, clearly know every situation a female gamer must face and have thought about them deeply and from their perspective. I apologize for ever having doubted you, oh great testosterone-having guru.

 

[Jinxzy]

Yes! I'm sick of it to be truthful. The "gamer gurl" thing is just annoying. They moan and complain when they don't get attention or free items. They leave when other girls join (it's a threat to there attention) and then cry when guys hit on them. I mean come on. Really? You know whats going to happen and yet they still complain about it. It kills a lot of things, heck I got kicked from a halo game cause some girl turned it into a "chat room" and I shot her. It's like "gamer gurls" are buying video games to find a new place to get attention.

 

[Mockingjay]

It annoys me to a massive extent, to see my best friend pretending she's a hardcore gamer and using it to flirt with guys despite the fact that she has only ever played Wii Fit. Once. However, it also annoys me if I'm asked if I'm female in game, I say yes and then suddenly I'm an attention seeking whore.