Poll: Are "Gamer Girls" shooting themselves in the foot?

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Ok it's not just Grrl Gamers who are at fault here with this. Every single gamer who feels the need to broadcast either sex, race, belief, creed, etc shouldn't as you only make things worse for that group. I really hate when people complain about say guys asking grrls to show a pic of their boobs and they have a name like that. It is the internet for fuck sake everyone else has to put with the mindless shit why should you be any different. It is why you can set people to ignore and turn of chats or just ignore what that person is saying. People have lost the ability to ignore some pixels that are shaped to form letters.

 

[BoxCutter]

People in general are annoying, it doesn't have to be the girls that want attention because they have ovaries. It could be the gay guy with the lisp who wants everyone to know hes not sexually attracted to women, this goes for the gay women too. It could even be as simple as a douchebag who wants to be the internet toughguy and brag about things hes never done over the internet.

There will always be stupid people around, and you will have to deal with them. Luckily on the internet its as simple as not listening to them. Mute them or leave, problem solved.

 

[-Samurai-]

Well, I agree, but guys don't exactly help the situation. Even the girls that don't advertise their gender and don't act like total morons still get hounded by the immature little boys(read as: immature anonymous males) that play with/against them.

If guys are sick of the "gamer girls" problem, perhaps they should stop enabling it.

When it comes to me, male or female, you're getting a virtual bullet in the virtual head.

 

[Azure Sky]

He be a smart cookie =3

That would have been really funny to see.

Oh, don't get me wrong. He's very intelligent. I just don't think he realized that he specifically referred to video game females. Probably came natural to him on account of being a straight male. I don't hold it against him. It's just a funny story to tell.

Though back on topic, I think he has the same opinion on the "obnoxious minority gamers" as I do. I know he has no problem with normal "minority gamers," because he's introduced me to a few. But we both have a rather strong urge to punch a stereotypical "fag" in the face.

If I had gold star for every online douchebag I wanted to punch, I would have a golden house with walls and ceilings of gold.

But as far as the topic goes, there are two times of female gamers.
The GIRL Gamer
And the Gamer who happens to be a Girl

No prizes for guessing which I would rather game with. =3

 

[Danpascooch]

"A Gamer Girl" or "Girl Gamer" as I'm sure a few of you know is a female gamer who seperates themselves from the gender-neutrallity that the anonymity of the internet and online gaming offers by advertising their gender. Despite the fact that no men seem to do this (well some do but it is a dig at girl gamers [footnote]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/menwhoplaygames[/footnote])

I didn't pick my name because I was poking fun at females who advertise their genders. It's just my name.

Yet this problem can be and often is solved by just resulting to the gender neutrallity which the internet offers.

Yeah, I shouldn't mention I'm black either. I tend to hear ****** a lot more that way. This is how we should solve racism! Just don't tell anyone I'm black -.-

It's so stupid it hurts. Females campaign for equality in gaming because many of them want to be treated equally but instead alot of them go and create a "Girl's clubhouse" situation. When was the last time male gamers did that? (and not in a joking way. If you have any examples I'll take that statement back but I couldnt find any)

So I ask you this. Are "Gamer gurls" shooting themselves in the foot? By that I mean they want equality but are going about it the wrong way.

Abso-friggin-lutely not. There is no excuse for acting like a total buffoon, even if the girl is cute or you have the anonymity of the internet to protect your creepy ass. YES girls who tease guys like the above example are kinda assholes, but this should in no way be used to say , as I believe you are here, that that kind of behavior is asking for all female gamers to be treated like shit. There's teasing back to girls who act like that, but guys go wayyyy too far, wayyy too often, just because they can, even if they're not "provoked".

So no. Just no.

The point is that they advertise their gender much more than guys do, why would they do that if they wanted to be treated equally?

You don't see Steam groups named things like: "Sexy awesome guys", but his footnote led right to a group called "gorgeous gamer girls"

The point is, if they want to be treated equally, they should act equally, and not invite the behavior they supposedly despise.

No you shouldn't hide your race either, but when you enter a thread, do you start every post with "I'm black by the way". Of course not. It shouldn't matter, and if these girls need to constantly advertise that they're girls, that just shows that they want it to matter.

 

[DividedUnity]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you could read the minds of women who play games. I was going to argue against you, but you clearly know more than I do, oh great penis-owner. I mean, it is pretty obvious that with the invention of voice chat, hiding one's gender on the internet has become difficult, and then of course the idea that one shouldn't have to hide his or her gender comes to mind, but those points have already been defeated, as you, OP, clearly know every situation a female gamer must face and have thought about them deeply and from their perspective. I apologize for ever having doubted you, oh great testosterone-having guru.

Yep. I can read everyones mind. I can tell you're being sarcastic. Frigging magic isn't it.

Since when is voice chat required to play a game? I wouldn't even bother saying team work because the last time I seen people using teamwork online was in Defcon and that only has text chat. I didn't say it was right that anyone has to hide his/her gender, I said revelaing it has consequences and you have to deal with those. I didn't that it was right nor wrong i said that it was the way things are.

Maybe next time actually contribute something to the discussion or don't bother posting because that sargasm you just had was pretty damn pointless.

Or the point went over your head. I was saying that your main post assumes that these "Gamer Gurlz" actually exist, or that they exist in large enough quantities to be significant. I doubt that. I have yet to meet a girl gamer who acts any differently than a regular gamer, and I refuse to see why she should.

As for the consequences- they aren't really shooting themselves in the foot if other people attack them for their gender, are they? That's more like having a bullet pierced through their skull.

So they don't really exist in large quantities eh? Most of these posts from other users would beg to differ. Considering the escapist audience is pretty diverse in terms of games they play and systems they play on I think its safe to assume that the amount of people here suggests "Gamer gurls" are in significant quantity and thats negating personal experience I've had on steam and XBL.

The 2nd footnote in my OP shows one of the groups on steam which has 500+ members and considering theres more than one group as well as many female steam users having "Gamer gurl" descriptions in their profiles is a pretty good example.

Shooting yourself in the foot is a safer analogie. Commiting suicide is too touchy a topic to use an analogy of that.

I will concede to you that these groups exist. I will bring up that I doubt every member of these types of groups acts in the way that you describe "Gamer Gurlz" as doing. They probably just want a place to enjoy their hobby without the criticism that you admit they receive. Hence, they are not "Gamer Gurlz," as you would put, but just regular gamers seeking to have a good time. Therefore, the "Gamer Gurl" is a construct that does not exist in reality, or at least in very few numbers. I've seen far less girls advertising themselves and complaining about how they get treated online than boys complaining about these mythical and legendary "Gamer Gurlz" who actually do. As for your analogy, I wasn't talking about suicide. I was just saying that they're not shooting themselves in the foot. They're not to blame for the consequences of admitting what sex they are. And they should be allowed to be open about their sex. It's the people who make it difficult for them to enjoy their hobby that are, metaphorically, shooting them.

In short,

1. I think your description of a girl gamer is a strawman.
2. Are "Gamer Girls" shooting themselves in the foot? No.

You misunderstand the shooting the foot analogy. I don't mean they are to blame for what happens to them I mean that they are causing a lack of progress towards equality even though they claim that is what they want.

They are in significant enough numbers and getting larger in number. I know they are not the majority, I didn't calim they were, but the fact is they still have an impact. You seem to be dismissing the idea they exist simply because you are lucky enough not to have encountered one.

Now just as an example NSFW btw http://hotgamergirls.com/

An example of "Gamer gurls". Surely the fact theyre posing in their ****ing underwear isn't a grab for attention. "Oh hai guyz we're just one of the group, we just want to play games, I think I'll post a picture full of boobage".

They know they can get stuff from guys, anyone who has played an MMO knows this. Even if it's not really a girl they can still pretend and get stuff. There are alot of horny men online with their with their brain suddenly vacant when a women is around.

Gamer girls went beyond flirting to get free stuff and began to capitalise on their attractiveness by combining it with gaming. The Fragdolls and Gamecrush are two prime examples of this.

I suppose stupid men are to blame for feeding them

EDIT:

Here this picture illustrates my point.

Spoiler

 

[Littaly]

Only partially.

I disagree with the statement that men more commonly hide behind net neutrality. Sure, we don't advertise our gender, but not because we wish to keep it a secret, but because we assume people already know it. I don't know the exact term for it, but what it comes down to is that we assume members in an Internet community are male until they state otherwise.

Think of it this way, if you were a part of an Internet community where all members automatically assumed you were a girl, would you just go with it or would you feel the need to in one way or the other make sure people knew you were a guy?

I agree that some "gamer gurls" (for lack of a better term), handle the whole situation a bit immaturely, but I wouldn't say that simply stating that you are a girl is stepping over the line.

I also wouldn't say this is in any way connected to sexism in games, it's actually closer to the contrary. Demanding to be treated equally on the Internet and have games that aren't designed for one gender exclusively is not the same thing (although they are in one way or the other connected). The reason so many female characters in games are cardboard cutouts is because the market assumes girls aren't gonna buy the games, meaning it's a better move to craft characters that appeal to men (even though their idea of what that is can be somewhat insulting at times), resulting in sexism.

If we have more girls pointing out the gender to the community, maybe in the long run, the market will change.

Then again, like I said, there are better and worse ways to handle it.

 

[MinishArcticFox]

While I personally believe all "girls" on the internet to be advanced cyborgs that the government is using to gather data on male behaviour and to perfect their robot armies, the ones that identify themselves and then ***** when other people comment on the fact are fuck tards. Yes you have the right to do it but every action has a consequence and don't complain about it, especially since it's fairly obvious that it will happen. In my opinion it's similar to smoking cigarettes and then complaining when you get lung cancer. Just accept the internet's anonimity and pretend that you are a small boy. Or identify yourself as a girl and then don't complain about it.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you could read the minds of women who play games. I was going to argue against you, but you clearly know more than I do, oh great penis-owner. I mean, it is pretty obvious that with the invention of voice chat, hiding one's gender on the internet has become difficult, and then of course the idea that one shouldn't have to hide his or her gender comes to mind, but those points have already been defeated, as you, OP, clearly know every situation a female gamer must face and have thought about them deeply and from their perspective. I apologize for ever having doubted you, oh great testosterone-having guru.

Yep. I can read everyones mind. I can tell you're being sarcastic. Frigging magic isn't it.

Since when is voice chat required to play a game? I wouldn't even bother saying team work because the last time I seen people using teamwork online was in Defcon and that only has text chat. I didn't say it was right that anyone has to hide his/her gender, I said revelaing it has consequences and you have to deal with those. I didn't that it was right nor wrong i said that it was the way things are.

Maybe next time actually contribute something to the discussion or don't bother posting because that sargasm you just had was pretty damn pointless.

Or the point went over your head. I was saying that your main post assumes that these "Gamer Gurlz" actually exist, or that they exist in large enough quantities to be significant. I doubt that. I have yet to meet a girl gamer who acts any differently than a regular gamer, and I refuse to see why she should.

As for the consequences- they aren't really shooting themselves in the foot if other people attack them for their gender, are they? That's more like having a bullet pierced through their skull.

So they don't really exist in large quantities eh? Most of these posts from other users would beg to differ. Considering the escapist audience is pretty diverse in terms of games they play and systems they play on I think its safe to assume that the amount of people here suggests "Gamer gurls" are in significant quantity and thats negating personal experience I've had on steam and XBL.

The 2nd footnote in my OP shows one of the groups on steam which has 500+ members and considering theres more than one group as well as many female steam users having "Gamer gurl" descriptions in their profiles is a pretty good example.

Shooting yourself in the foot is a safer analogie. Commiting suicide is too touchy a topic to use an analogy of that.

I will concede to you that these groups exist. I will bring up that I doubt every member of these types of groups acts in the way that you describe "Gamer Gurlz" as doing. They probably just want a place to enjoy their hobby without the criticism that you admit they receive. Hence, they are not "Gamer Gurlz," as you would put, but just regular gamers seeking to have a good time. Therefore, the "Gamer Gurl" is a construct that does not exist in reality, or at least in very few numbers. I've seen far less girls advertising themselves and complaining about how they get treated online than boys complaining about these mythical and legendary "Gamer Gurlz" who actually do. As for your analogy, I wasn't talking about suicide. I was just saying that they're not shooting themselves in the foot. They're not to blame for the consequences of admitting what sex they are. And they should be allowed to be open about their sex. It's the people who make it difficult for them to enjoy their hobby that are, metaphorically, shooting them.

In short,

1. I think your description of a girl gamer is a strawman.
2. Are "Gamer Girls" shooting themselves in the foot? No.

You misunderstand the shooting the foot analogy. I don't mean they are to blame for what happens to them I mean that they are causing a lack of progress towards equality even though they claim that is what they want.

They are in significant enough numbers and getting larger in number. I know they are not the majority, I didn't calim they were, but the fact is they still have an impact. You seem to be dismissing the idea they exist simply because you are lucky enough not to have encountered one.

Now just as an example NSFW btw http://hotgamergirls.com/

An example of "Gamer gurls". Surely the fact theyre posing in their ****ing underwear isn't a grab for attention. "Oh hai guyz we're just one of the group, we just want to play games, I think I'll post a picture full of boobage".

They know they can get stuff from guys, anyone who has played an MMO knows this. Even if it's not really a girl they can still pretend and get stuff. There are alot of horny men online with their with their brain suddenly vacant when a women is around.

Gamer girls went beyond flirting to get free stuff and began to capitalise on their attractiveness by combining it with gaming. The Fragdolls and Gamecrush are two prime examples of this.

I suppose stupid men are to blame for feeding them

EDIT:

Here this picture illustrates my point.

Spoiler

Hotgamergirls: Exhibtionists, pure and simple. Gaming is just their gimmick. Not a good measure of girl gamers.
Fragdolls: Ubisoft sponsered PR stunt, not a good measure of girl gamers.
Gamecrush: Company out to get money, not a good measure of girl gamers.
Your edit: 0 teleporters built in 9 hours of play? WTF?

I'm willing to let the minor things slide and say we disagree on points, and honestly I think you're missing that I'm trying to counter your analogy by turning it around on you, but maybe I might be misunderstanding.

At least we agree on this

I suppose stupid men are to blame

 

[DividedUnity]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you could read the minds of women who play games. I was going to argue against you, but you clearly know more than I do, oh great penis-owner. I mean, it is pretty obvious that with the invention of voice chat, hiding one's gender on the internet has become difficult, and then of course the idea that one shouldn't have to hide his or her gender comes to mind, but those points have already been defeated, as you, OP, clearly know every situation a female gamer must face and have thought about them deeply and from their perspective. I apologize for ever having doubted you, oh great testosterone-having guru.

Yep. I can read everyones mind. I can tell you're being sarcastic. Frigging magic isn't it.

Since when is voice chat required to play a game? I wouldn't even bother saying team work because the last time I seen people using teamwork online was in Defcon and that only has text chat. I didn't say it was right that anyone has to hide his/her gender, I said revelaing it has consequences and you have to deal with those. I didn't that it was right nor wrong i said that it was the way things are.

Maybe next time actually contribute something to the discussion or don't bother posting because that sargasm you just had was pretty damn pointless.

Or the point went over your head. I was saying that your main post assumes that these "Gamer Gurlz" actually exist, or that they exist in large enough quantities to be significant. I doubt that. I have yet to meet a girl gamer who acts any differently than a regular gamer, and I refuse to see why she should.

As for the consequences- they aren't really shooting themselves in the foot if other people attack them for their gender, are they? That's more like having a bullet pierced through their skull.

So they don't really exist in large quantities eh? Most of these posts from other users would beg to differ. Considering the escapist audience is pretty diverse in terms of games they play and systems they play on I think its safe to assume that the amount of people here suggests "Gamer gurls" are in significant quantity and thats negating personal experience I've had on steam and XBL.

The 2nd footnote in my OP shows one of the groups on steam which has 500+ members and considering theres more than one group as well as many female steam users having "Gamer gurl" descriptions in their profiles is a pretty good example.

Shooting yourself in the foot is a safer analogie. Commiting suicide is too touchy a topic to use an analogy of that.

I will concede to you that these groups exist. I will bring up that I doubt every member of these types of groups acts in the way that you describe "Gamer Gurlz" as doing. They probably just want a place to enjoy their hobby without the criticism that you admit they receive. Hence, they are not "Gamer Gurlz," as you would put, but just regular gamers seeking to have a good time. Therefore, the "Gamer Gurl" is a construct that does not exist in reality, or at least in very few numbers. I've seen far less girls advertising themselves and complaining about how they get treated online than boys complaining about these mythical and legendary "Gamer Gurlz" who actually do. As for your analogy, I wasn't talking about suicide. I was just saying that they're not shooting themselves in the foot. They're not to blame for the consequences of admitting what sex they are. And they should be allowed to be open about their sex. It's the people who make it difficult for them to enjoy their hobby that are, metaphorically, shooting them.

In short,

1. I think your description of a girl gamer is a strawman.
2. Are "Gamer Girls" shooting themselves in the foot? No.

You misunderstand the shooting the foot analogy. I don't mean they are to blame for what happens to them I mean that they are causing a lack of progress towards equality even though they claim that is what they want.

They are in significant enough numbers and getting larger in number. I know they are not the majority, I didn't calim they were, but the fact is they still have an impact. You seem to be dismissing the idea they exist simply because you are lucky enough not to have encountered one.

Now just as an example NSFW btw http://hotgamergirls.com/

An example of "Gamer gurls". Surely the fact theyre posing in their ****ing underwear isn't a grab for attention. "Oh hai guyz we're just one of the group, we just want to play games, I think I'll post a picture full of boobage".

They know they can get stuff from guys, anyone who has played an MMO knows this. Even if it's not really a girl they can still pretend and get stuff. There are alot of horny men online with their with their brain suddenly vacant when a women is around.

Gamer girls went beyond flirting to get free stuff and began to capitalise on their attractiveness by combining it with gaming. The Fragdolls and Gamecrush are two prime examples of this.

I suppose stupid men are to blame for feeding them

EDIT:

Here this picture illustrates my point.

Spoiler

Hotgamergirls: Exhibtionists, pure and simple. Gaming is just their gimmick. Not a good measure of girl gamers.
Fragdolls: Ubisoft sponsered PR stunt, not a good measure of girl gamers.
Gamecrush: Company out to get money, not a good measure of girl gamers.
Your edit: 0 teleporters built in 9 hours of play? WTF?

I'm willing to let the minor things slide and say we disagree on points, and honestly I think you're missing that I'm trying to counter your analogy by turning it around on you, but maybe I might be misunderstanding.

At least we agree on this

I suppose stupid men are to blame

haha the Teleporters thing wasn't what I was talking about. I circled that for something else. Eh, I still hold the same views i did before but I see where you are coming from. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Phoenixlight]

There are no girls on the internet.

Well it looks like you're a girl, identifying yourself as a female from the state military in Full Metal Alchemist.

 

[Pendragon9]

This reminds me of those feminists who demanded equal pay, but wanted to be treated like gold in the work place.

Apparently they wanna be paid more for working less. It just didn't make much sense. And I see the similarities here.

Equality comes at a price. You can't have it both ways.

 

[blobby218]

i have many "girl gamer" friends some are like that some are not

 

[Seventh Actuality]

"Gamer girls" are not an organisation. They're just people playing the games. A demographic united only by their chromosomes and their liking of games can't collectively do anything, let alone shoot themselves in the foot.

That aside, this is blame shifting. The problem lies with the attitudes of a large number of male gamers, and how the women respond is the secondary issue to getting these misogynist cunts to get over themselves.

Also, why is being open about your gender considered "advertising"? The internet needs less anonymity and less of the G.I.F.T effect. This whole idea of girls "inviting" sad twats to pester them seems like, again, leaping on a chance to shift the blame.

 

[RIOgreatescapist]

They are called gamer girls because it is rare to see gamer girls. Gaming as always been a guy's thing.

 

[JEBWrench]

*snip*
That's why you politely ask them to stop, like the adults that we all are.

Comrade, that's asking a lot of some people who play online games.

 

[DividedUnity]

"Gamer girls" are not an organisation. They're just people playing the games. A demographic united only by their chromosomes and their liking of games can't collectively do anything, let alone shoot themselves in the foot.

That aside, this is blame shifting. The problem lies with the attitudes of a large number of male gamers, and how the women respond is the secondary issue to getting these misogynist cunts to get over themselves.

You seem to misunderstand the term "Gamer girl" it does not refer solely or wholely to females who play games but to a certain portion of who act in a certain way, advertising their gender, playing into stereotypes and flirting to gain an advantage then compalin when they are not treated equally. Gamer girls does not equal females who play games.

The root problem is males yes, but the root problem is not easy to get to past all the spines.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

snip to the super long debate

Oh, I know. I just thought it was hilarious. Useless fucking engi she is, huh?

 

[Daipire]

A lot of games (xbox games, mostly) have microphones nowadays, and while it is optional to use it, you're losing the ability to chat with randoms or warn people about the sniper that camps.