Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

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Oh sure, you have the power to make or break the publisher but that doesn't mean they have to satisfy every one of your personal requirements to sell it to you. You are entitled to buy or not buy the game, not demand aspects of it be changed to make you want to buy it a little bit more. You are not the creative party, you're the guy with the money and that's all you'll ever be to them. It's their choice whether they pander to the market you fit into.

If you seriously think you have the power to fine tune games to your need, especially after release, then you're deluded with your own entitlement. That's all you are to me right now: extremely deluded. Either buy the game or leave it.

This is a thread about gamer entitlement. Your post was saying that this wouldn't happen in other mediums. But it has. It's irrelevant whether or not it's ok, it has happened.

I hope to fucking God you're kidding. My point was that this happens far more frequently in gaming rather than it never happens anywhere else. I was using hyperbole to emphasise my point.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

This is a thread about gamer entitlement. Your post was saying that this wouldn't happen in other mediums. But it has. It's irrelevant whether or not it's ok, it has happened.

I hope to fucking God you're kidding. My point was that this happens far more frequently in gaming rather than it never happens anywhere else. I was using hyperbole to emphasise my point.

Name me any examples other than ME. People complain about these things all the time, in all mediums, for something to be demanded changed is rare, in all mediums. and no need to be rude about it.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

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Oh sure, you have the power to make or break the publisher but that doesn't mean they have to satisfy every one of your personal requirements to sell it to you. You are entitled to buy or not buy the game, not demand aspects of it be changed to make you want to buy it a little bit more. You are not the creative party, you're the guy with the money and that's all you'll ever be to them. It's their choice whether they pander to the market you fit into.

If you seriously think you have the power to fine tune games to your need, especially after release, then you're deluded with your own entitlement. That's all you are to me right now: extremely deluded. Either buy the game or leave it.

This is a thread about gamer entitlement. Your post was saying that this wouldn't happen in other mediums. But it has. It's irrelevant whether or not it's ok, it has happened.

I hope to fucking God you're kidding. My point was that this happens far more frequently in gaming rather than it never happens anywhere else. I was using hyperbole to emphasise my point.

Thank you, good sir! Thank you so much for that!!!

 

[AnarchistAbe]

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Oh sure, you have the power to make or break the publisher but that doesn't mean they have to satisfy every one of your personal requirements to sell it to you.

Uh, yes they are? Or are they going to force me to buy it xD

Sorry, but that was just a stupid sentence.

It's our Money, without our Money they can't survive, thus we are ultimately the boss, their only other real choice is fucking right off and dying in a gutter, we just have to be suffciently pissed. This is by the way the case with any and every industry, consumers pay the bills, thus Companies are at the mercy of them. Don't fuck up too bad, or we might just withold the money they so dearly need.

I think you place too much value on yourself as a consumer. YOUR money doesn't mean ANYTHING to them. $60? This is a multi-billion dollar industry. YOUR money accounts for jack shit. What hurts these publishers is MANY consumers not buying a product.

If you think for a minute that internet boycotts and petitions account for anything, I need only to point back to the L4D2 "boycott", of which the majority of petitioners were playing on launch day, and, more or less, the same petition for about EVERY CoD game.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

This is a thread about gamer entitlement. Your post was saying that this wouldn't happen in other mediums. But it has. It's irrelevant whether or not it's ok, it has happened.

I hope to fucking God you're kidding. My point was that this happens far more frequently in gaming rather than it never happens anywhere else. I was using hyperbole to emphasise my point.

Name me any examples other than ME. People complain about these things all the time, in all mediums, for something to be demanded changed is rare, in all mediums. and no need to be rude about it.

L4D2 (they wanted it as a free expansion).
Day-1 DLC (like it or not, it happens, and your aren't ENTITLED to that content for free).
MW2/MW3 dedicated servers.
Dark Souls PC port.
Pre-Order DLC (believe it or not, I still hear bitching about this).
Online Passes.
Annual Sports Games as roster updates.

And these are just things off the top of my head. Not really even thinking that hard... But, Should I continue?

 

[Vegosiux]

It's our Money, without our Money they can't survive, thus we are ultimately the boss, their only other real choice is fucking right off and dying in a gutter, we just have to be suffciently pissed. This is by the way the case with any and every industry, consumers pay the bills, thus Companies are at the mercy of them. Don't fuck up too bad, or we might just withold the money they so dearly need.

I think you place too much value on yourself as a consumer. YOUR money doesn't mean ANYTHING to them. $60? This is a multi-billion dollar industry. YOUR money accounts for jack shit. What hurts these publishers is MANY consumers not buying a product.

I daresay that unless I am very much mistaken, he used plural in his post instead of singular.

If you think for a minute that internet boycotts and petitions account for anything, I need only to point back to the L4D2 "boycott", of which the majority of petitioners were playing on launch day, and, more or less, the same petition for about EVERY CoD game.

That wasn't "a boycott not working", that was "no boycott at all".

 

[Cranky]

Everyone has a right to their own ideas and opinions, so no.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

If you think for a minute that internet boycotts and petitions account for anything, I need only to point back to the L4D2 "boycott", of which the majority of petitioners were playing on launch day, and, more or less, the same petition for about EVERY CoD game.

That wasn't "a boycott not working", that was "no boycott at all".

"No boycott at all"???

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

http://kotaku.com/5286185/valve-responds-to-left-4-dead-2-boycott-vows-support-for-original

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/valve-co-opts-l4d2-boycott-by-giving-leaders-free-trip-to-hq.ars

Seems like just as legitimate a "boycott" as any other...

 

[Vegosiux]

"No boycott at all"???

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

http://kotaku.com/5286185/valve-responds-to-left-4-dead-2-boycott-vows-support-for-original

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/valve-co-opts-l4d2-boycott-by-giving-leaders-free-trip-to-hq.ars

Seems like just as legitimate a "boycott" as any other...

Uhm, no, a "boycott" is when people actually ignore stuff, not just say they're going to.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

"No boycott at all"???

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott

http://kotaku.com/5286185/valve-responds-to-left-4-dead-2-boycott-vows-support-for-original

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/valve-co-opts-l4d2-boycott-by-giving-leaders-free-trip-to-hq.ars

Seems like just as legitimate a "boycott" as any other...

Uhm, no, a "boycott" means that people actually ignore stuff, not just say they're going to.

Well, then we'll see how many people stick to their guns on this Dark Souls PC "boycott"

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Well, then we'll see how many people stick to their guns on this Dark Souls PC "boycott"

You seem to care a lot about what other people care about. It never really occurred to me to fuss over whether or not someone else was enthused or angry about a particular brand or product.

It's an interesting phenomenon, psychologically speaking.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

Well, then we'll see how many people stick to their guns on this Dark Souls PC "boycott"

You seem to care a lot about what other people care about. It never really occurred to me to fuss over whether or not someone else was enthused or angry about a particular brand or product.

It's an interesting phenomenon, psychologically speaking.

I'm interested in the bottom line, and how it affects me. I've already watched PC fall to a second tier platform, and am just waiting for publishers to finally throw their hands up and write off the PC Gaming market. THAT is why I'm interested (speaking towards the Dark Souls boycott).

As far as the Mass Effect thing is concerned, I, again, am concerned with the games industry as a whole. If this sort of backlash becomes the norm, one of two things will happen. A) They will stop listening entirely, whether the complaint has merit or not. Or, B) we will get EXACTLY what sells. Nothing more, and nothing less. Less innovation, less risk-taking and new IP. More Call of Duty.

 

[Naeras]

The video is interesting... However, he does touch (albeit, very VERY briefly), over the same major concern that I have: Gamers request a game, publisher makes the game, the game doesn't sell...no more games.

Obviously, that's a tad extreme. But publishers hate nothing more than losing money. They obviously didn't have much faith in a PC Port to begin with, or they would have just made one. This just re-affirms their decision to NOT make a port. And don't be naive enough to think other publishers will look at what Namco did wrong here. Expect them to see the hit to Namco's bottom line, with the cause being a PC port.

Yeah, publishers tend to whine when their bottom line gets hurt because they listened to their customers when they asked for a port, they did a half-assed job to make a port that sucked, and then they yelled "BUT WE GOT YOU WHAT YOU ASKED FOR AND YET YOU DONT WANT TO GIVE US YOUR MONEY, FUCK THIS YOU ENTITLED SHITS". See the Gears of War PC-port and Cliff Blezinsky's reaction to that for an example, where exactly this happened.

The difference is that this time, people made it abundantly clear already that there will be a problem with this port, to the point where a lot of people flat-out won't be able to play it, 'cause GFWL is full of shit, nuggets and derp. If the port sells badly initially, a lot of the potential customers have already informed exactly what the dealbreaker was. Not buying a bad port because you don't want to spend money on a bad product isn't entitlement. Publishers expecting their customers to pay for a bad product just because, however, is most definitely entitlement on their part.

Your concerns are definitely well justified, but the customers are definitely not being entitled by asking nicely for a dumb business decision to be changed. Sadly, as has been pointed out, that's not going to happen, unless someone volunteers to write new netcode from scratch. And that's not gonna happen.

And as of full disclosure for my part here: I already have Dark Souls for the 360. I was interested in a PC version because of modding capabilities, but I'll probably wait for a Steam sale or something like that before I spend any money on it.

 

[Emiscary]

Wanting what you paid for doesn't make you entitled. 'Nuff said.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'm interested in the bottom line, and how it affects me. I've already watched PC fall to a second tier platform, and am just waiting for publishers to finally throw their hands up and write off the PC Gaming market. THAT is why I'm interested (speaking towards the Dark Souls boycott).

As far as the Mass Effect thing is concerned, I, again, am concerned with the games industry as a whole. If this sort of backlash becomes the norm, one of two things will happen. A) They will stop listening entirely, whether the complaint has merit or not. Or, B) we will get EXACTLY what sells. Nothing more, and nothing less. Less innovation, less risk-taking and new IP. More Call of Duty.

ROFL, wut? The PC "fell" to a second tier platform, eh? When did this happen? Last time I looked I saw a ton of PC games available for me to play. I must've been dreaming! Or perhaps you're referencing the timeworn boom/bust cycle that happens every console generation, and you're engaging in wild hyperbole to make it sound a lot less mundane and predictable and low impact than it actually is.

A) As you've noted, this kind of "backlash" was already completely commonplace, and has been ever since consumers realized they can vote with their wallets.

B) You already get EXACTLY what sells from major developers and major publishers. What was the statistic someone posted in another thread? All but one game EA released this year was a sequel? Where have you been? No one is going to bankroll a 50-100 million dollar game for an unproven IP. If you want innovation, there are a shitload of indie games and kickstarter projects waiting for you.

Although to be fair, I don't think you're actually "concerned" at all. I think you're just getting a charge out of being outraged at outrage.

 

[AnarchistAbe]

For the most part, no. The concerns are legitimate. People see gamers acting like consumers of any other product, and ddcide that they're all self-entitled little twerps.

Name me one other product where the consumers are as vocal and obnoxious as gaming.

One other? Can't it be multiple?

Fine: Comic Books. Seriously.

Maybe I should rephrase. 1 other product that NERDS aren't the key demographic. My entire point is based around the fact that nerds are self-entitled pricks, who ***** too much as a "demographic".

P.S. As a nerd, I'm not using that term as derogatory. Just making it clear that I believe that the majority of our demographic is the problem.

 

[Vegosiux]

Wanting what you paid for doesn't make you entitled. 'Nuff said.

Actually, it does make you entitled by the very definition of the word.

Most people just use the word wrong.